Don't Hate Me. I Am Going To A SSPX This Sunday

[JReducation]

You have never seen the original letter and neither do we. Pray tell, what is the circumstance of the original person who put out the query? I’ve been dying to know for years! Sorry but this has bothered me for years. I’ve made repeated requests to the publications that carried the original response to produce the original letter. The letter has never been made public by the Vatican nor the original person who made the query.

Why is this letter so important?

Did anyone hear the Pope’s preacher today, Friar Raniero?

“One does not enter into the truth if not through charity. Charity is what unites us, whether we are Catholic or members of other churches and communities.”

There is nothing charitable about this dialogue. The Msgr. responded according the teachings of the Church on ecumenism. What he said is already stated in the Church’s Declaration on Ecumenism.

Today, Friar Raniero called the entire Church to look in the same direction which is Christ. Christ has spoken on this issue.

The Msgr. quoted Christ’s words in his letter, but hey can be found in John Paul’s Et Unum Sint and in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

If the question has been answered appropriately, to continue on this topic is beyond charity. It is stubborness.

 

[Jeanette_L]

From John 8:7

When therefore they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said to them: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Don’t forget that we are the CHURCH MILITANT and it is our DUTY to fight for the TRUTHS OF OUR FAITH. That is what traditional Catholics do.

And Our Lord said:

Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword.

Pious

You’re appeal to scripture here and in several other posts is very similar to that of the Protestants. I don’t know if you want to come across that way. But you are coming across as one who puts scripture over the Chruch and her authority. You may not intend to do this and if so, you should know that this is the way is sounds.

The other day I posted something from St. Francis and you responded from scripture. The impression I got was that you were disregarding that this great saint knew the scriptures better than you and me. You quoted scripture instead of addressing what he taugh to Church based on scripture.

What Jeanette is saying also has scriptural basis.

As to the Church militant, there is no official Church definition that equates Church militant with fighting or militancy. The term comes from an ancient explanation of the Mystical Body: The Chiurch Triumphant are those who are already in Heaven and The Church Militant are those who are still struggling to get to Heaven, not fighting each other.

JR

Thank you JR, you took the words right out of my mouth.

I would also like to add another thought. When Christ talked about bringing division as with a sword, he was referring to the persecution of Christians from even within their own families because of their faith in him. Never did Christ instruct or even imply that we were supposed to be combative but just the opposite.

Example: when Peter used a sword to sever the ear from the servant of the High Priest who had come to arrest Jesus, he was severely rebuked by Christ for his actions. He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword. And then Christ did something completely amazing and unexpected, he showed compassion and healed the wound that Peter caused, and showed Peter what he as Christ’s follower is also called to emulate.

A lot packed into that scenario. Peter is the representative of the Church, as even Christ’s representative on earth. And Christ had to heal the wounds initially caused by him. I think we can actually see Vatican II in general and JPII in specific, as being part of this effort of Christ to extend a healing hand and spirit to the rest of the world especially those who are baptized into the Mystical Body.

Christ’s love, mercy and compassion far exceed anything we can imagine, we need to be his representatives in these - not only toward each other within the Church, but also toward all those with whom we come into contact in the world. This leaves no room for bitterness, anger or resentment, but only charity and humility, as we are to reflect Christ himself.

You may wonder why I am bothering with this here, it just seems to me we need to think about how we are representing ourselves as followers of Christ when we interact with each other on this forum and out there in the world, no matter what our views or opinions on any given matter. Charity should always prevail. To behave otherwise is an offense to our faith and Christ himself and may cause wounds that hurt even our Lord.

Just food for thought.

 

[JReducation]

Our Holy Father St. Francis once told his Brothers to go to town and preach, but he forbade them to speak. They walked through the town and when they left the town at the other end they asked him, “Father, when are we going to preach?” He responded, “We just finished. A good sermon is preached by the way you live, not what you say.”

St. Francis de Sales reached out to the Calvinists of his time. He didn’t convict them. He agreed that there were valid arguments in what they said, but he also reminded them of God love and how God would lead us and the Church in his way and on his schedule, not ours. He succeeded in bringing back many Calvinists.

St. Teresa of Avila saw the moral decline of religious life, including her own beloved Caremelite Order. She never uttered a word against the decay that was taking place around her. Not at all, instead she intensified her life of prayer and heard Christ calling her to start a new monastery where prayer, charity, asceticism and solitude would be paramount, the very elements upon which the Carmelite Order had been originally been founded. She never spoke against the abuses, she simply put a programme of holiness on the table and invited those who wanted to do so to follow it. Never a word of condemnation passed her lips.

Mother Teresa never condemned a Muslim, Hindu or non Catholic. Instead, she brought renewal to people’s souls by reminding them that it is Christ whom we encounter everytime we meet each other and it is our obligation to see Christ in each other, Muslim, Jew, Hindu or Christian.

This is the way to sanctity.

JR

 

[jmcrae]

Ok, and since it was published partially, he decided to have it published in its entirety so that readers would have context and not get the wrong idea from people’s selective quoting. Perl provided the context so that we wouldn’t get the wrong idea.

Imagine if a woman were given special permission to use birth control pills due to a severe illness that can only be controlled using hormonal treatments, the easiest of which is to simply use birth control pills (which contain massive doses of estrogen hormone).

Imagine if she then posted to her web site the fact that she asked whether she could use birth control pills (without stating the circumstances of the question) and then posted a letter from someone in the Vatican granting her permission to use them.

Would you then assume that every woman is now allowed to use birth control pills? Or would you say to yourself, “Okay, there’s more to this story than meets the eye.”

We have the original question.

But not the circumstances of the question.

We have Perl’s original answer.

Which states in no uncertain terms that the advice given is for a single individual; not the world at large - if you didn’t receive the original of that letter, then do not assume that you have permission to attend the SSPX chapel.

 

[CradleCath]

Imagine if a woman were given special permission to use birth control pills due to a severe illness that can only be controlled using hormonal treatments, the easiest of which is to simply use birth control pills (which contain massive doses of estrogen hormone).

Imagine if she then posted to her web site the fact that she asked whether she could use birth control pills (without stating the circumstances of the question) and then posted a letter from someone in the Vatican granting her permission to use them.

The difference is quite simply the difference between our brief life here below, and life everlasting: For purposes of this life, lasting for each of us, let us say, 70 years, he has been their friend, because by, for instance, taking out of the 1962 text the references to the Jews’ “blindness”, “darkness” and “the veil over their hearts”, he has softened the Church’s solemn criticism of their condition… IOn the other hand by the same softening he will also have diminished Catholics’ awareness of how especially Jews need the charity of Catholics’ prayers.dinoscopus.blogspot.com/2008/02/true-anti-semitism.html

How stupid does this man think we are. All of Christendom, Catholic, Baptists, Methodist etc., etc. know that the Jews have denied the fact that Jesus is the Messiah & we know that salvation comes to all mankind through the sacrifice Christ made on Calvary. We realize quite well that they are in grave need of prayer.

IMO. The SSPXers don’t seem to give a darn whether they please God by reconciling with their Mother Church or not. They reject…out of hand…any & all measures taken to promote unity & brotherhood. I disagree with some of the results of the SPIRIT of Vatican II, myself…but, I sure wouldn’t leave the One, Holy, Catholic Church over it.

I Hope you understand, I…as a traditionalist am tired of hearing these people who followed Lefebvre out of the Roman Catholic Church, watched him & his ordination of four “Bishops” referred to by the designation “Traditionalist”, just as I am. No true “Traditionalist” would follow this man into schism.

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[johnnydigit]

Unfortunately, I have been spoiled and I refuse to attend a Novus Ordo. I don’t want to return to the same rut I was in. The Latin Mass breathed new life into my faith.

I know people here frown on SSPX but I am making a big mistake if I go to just one Mass?

there is your cross. even though SSPX is still valid, only go if you have no choice. freely going when you have a choice can be construed as supporting them, which is not good. support our Holy Church and Holy Father, not disobedience with an exception (of technically still being valid). God bless.

 

[Jo_Benedict]

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This thread is closed. Thanks to all who participated in the discussion.