Everything I have posted has either been written or approved by a Pope. We are talking about the official teaching of the Church.
In light of your remarks in the previous thread that the words of our Lord and St. Paul are “completely inconsistent” with infallible Church teaching, it appears that your condemnations are best taken as compliments.
What do you believe is the teaching of the Church? Are Lumen Gentium, Nostra Aetate and the Catechism not Church teaching? Are the last four Popes not valid teachers?
No, I’m saying that your tortured intrepretation of those documents is not Catholicism.
Please explain what I have “interpreted” incorrectly. I am simply posting direct quotes. Are the Popes also giving tortured interpretations that are not Catholicism?
You have not quoted them even once, preferring instead to rely exclusively on a fallible commision’s “reflections”; what reason, then, would I have for saying this?
You are focusing on the commission document - which is an official and approved Church document promulgated on the Vatican’s website. But even if you think that you can interpret the Church’s teachings better than the Pope’s advisors (not sure where you get that ability), you are ignoring the many other Church documents I have referenced. Again, is the Catechism not faithful teaching? Or Lumen Gentium?
It is well established that this is not the case. When the poster Samsun correctly noted that…
The only thing that is well established is that you put your own beliefs above the actual teaching documents of the Church.
…and then cited infallible Church teaching, you, short on substantial argument, could only condescendingly reply:
This is not condescension, but only truth. Read the Church’s actual teaching documents.
After this casual dismissal of the Church’s authority, you then made the following post:
What happens when we follow the link? We find the same self-admittedly fallible document…again.
Not only that, even if for the sake of argument we pretend that you are correct and that this document is authoritative, we only find, absurdly enough, that it would refute the very conclusions which you are trying to draw from it! You asserted the falsehood that,
But as the commision informs us,
Since God has never revoked his covenant with his people Israel, there cannot be different paths or approaches to God’s salvation. The theory that there may be two different paths to salvation, the Jewish path without Christ and the path with the Christ, whom Christians believe is Jesus of Nazareth, would in fact endanger the foundations of Christian faith. Confessing the universal and therefore also exclusive mediation of salvation through Jesus Christ belongs to the core of Christian faith. So too does the confession of the one God, the God of Israel, who through his revelation in Jesus Christ has become totally manifest as the God of all peoples, insofar as in him the promise has been fulfilled that all peoples will pray to the God of Israel as the one God (cf. Is 56:1-8). The document “Notes on the correct way to present the Jews and Judaism in preaching and catechesis in the Roman Catholic Church” published by the Holy See’s Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews in 1985 therefore maintained that** the Church and Judaism cannot be represented as “two parallel ways to salvation”**,
Your theory is therefore without basis, since “even if you’re right, you’re wrong”, as the expression goes.
Where do you think the commission document comes from? Do you suppose it is the random musing of anonymous people? It was written at the request of Pope Francis, by a Cardinal with the assistance of the Church’s theologians. Why do you suppose that your understanding of the Church’s teachings exceeds that of the Pope and the Cardinals?
This was already done at length in a previous thread, and ended with your rejection of Scripture and infallible councils in favor of the fallible document with which by now we are only all too familiar. You will understand, therefore, if I do not see much point providing the same references to Church teaching all over again. If you wish to see the references again, you are free to go through my posting history.
No idea what thread you are talking about. But I can only say that it is clear that you have decided for some reason that you can set yourself up as the judge of the teachings of the Popes and the Church.
Again, for anyone who is following this thread and wants to know what the Church actually teaches about Judaism, I urge them to read the Church’s actual teaching documents, straight from the Vatican:
LUMEN GENTIUM (para 16)
Nostra Aetate
Catechism 839
The Gifts and the Calling of God are Irrevocable
