Don't Support Devilish Music(Rock Music)!!!

[gurneyhalleck1]

Amen, presidente! “It’s a long way to the top if you want to rock 'n roll!”

I can tell you a lot of summers (even now) where I sit there with my Stratocaster and amp playing AC/DC, Rush, Maiden, Ozzy, Kiss, Journey, and all the rest. It was fun, loved the challenge, kept me out of trouble. And I am not in a cult or Satanic coven LOL

You know, as someone who loves rock music (Especially AC/DC. And, no, “AC/DC” does not stand for “Anti-Christ/Devil Comes” or anything. I think the lightning bolt in their logo kinda hints towards it meaning “Alternating Current/Direct Current”) I have considered the effect rock music has had on me. Is it leading me down a good path or a bad one?

Since I started listening to rock music, I:

Have put my laziness aside and played high school football.
Have gotten to more into my faith, even sponsoring an RCIA candidate.
Have overall had a better attitude about life.

I’d say that rock music helped me greatly.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

It is the authority of God that must be obeyed. We did not elect God, He does not stand for reelection. He is our King, thus by the very nature of Kingdom Authority we do live in an authoritarian religion. We do have free will, therefore we can choose to rebel against this authoritarianism and be damned for it.

The thing is, God’s way is not like our ways. The same goes for His authority. It works differently than any form of authority that we have. His Kingdom is most likely unlike that of the earthly authoritarian kingdom.

There is plenty of need for free will and rationality in God’s authoritarianism. We do not live in a vacuum. The world is not the same as it was 2,000 years ago. We need that rationality to cope with changes, but not to use it to rebel.

Sorry, but I’m not sure I understand what you mean by “rationality”. Are you sure you’re not confusing this with practicality?

If that is all reason is supposed to do then on what grounds then should we rebel against unjust and irrational authority? How are we to explain morality on an intellectual level?

Because he can’t. All he does is makes hollow statements regarding the “intrinsic evil” of rock and the “energy” it produces, hoping his eloquence would be enough to veil and assert his position without the need for evidence.

I have also yet to see him make a case as to how ideas of rebellion and freedom are somehow incompatible with Christianity. Portrait, are you that desperate to paint Catholicism to be filled with pious zombies?

And no, vague quotes are not considered evidence (at least strong evidence). Neither is it enough to say that rock music has psychological effects. Just because something can affect your mind does not mean there’s an intrinsic quality about it. As presented already, classical music has in fact produced a lot of ludicrous and laughable results in our heads because we’ve had different associations with it. Needless to say, those effects and associations differ from the those of classicists who worship the genre.

 

[Portrait]

Your argument here is weak. Do you see that?

It’s using the appealing to authority argument; which makes less sense since you are discrediting these musicians in the first place.

A bunch of quotes from these rock artists doesn’tmake a genre poor. In the same way that if a Catholic priest sinned it wouldn’t make the Church a bad thing.

A handful of quotes just don’t do anything. They are meaningless unless EVERY SINGLE rock musician now and forever says that “rock music is sexy/against God/for sex/etc”. Not only that, they need to say that they want to convey that in their message. I think you have taken those quotes without the metaphorical pinch of salt. These people think of themselves as artists, and so they speak playfully and sometimes obnoxiously about their ‘work’ - saying things like what you have quoted.

But again… I don’t see sex in rock music. I see sex in rap, in pop, in hip hop.

Again…

Is rock music intrinsically evil? Can it be? IF you try answer yes, what about the instruments involved?

What about something that YOU wouldn’t call rock but I would? What is “rock” music anyway? You have no clue I am sure. There are so many genres - and indeed in today’s music scene there is no stable ‘rock’ set-type. Do electric guitars make rock? Is it because it is fast paced? Is it the attitude of the musician? The lyrics? If the answer to all that is yes then you start going into absurd territory - you’d have to start saying that, for instance, Metallica are rock musicians but sometimes not when they plsay acoustic but yet they are but yet they aren’t.

Dear Friend,

Cordial greetings and thankyou most kindly for your response.

By way of reply I would say that my appeal to these performers is perfectly proper since they are fairly representative and illustrative of what the majority of rock musicians think about their music genre. Indeed, apart from a very small minority of Christians (and the artists themselves) who are seeking to make excuses for this debased material, I have never heard a contrary view expressed. Indeed, as I have already remarked in my previous posts even those who are not anti-rock have acknowledged that rock music is unsavoury and morally offensive. Thus Robert Pattison, who is actually a defender of rock, argues that rock in its essence is vulgar and narcisstic and Steven Lawhead admits that there “is more blatant immorality being peddled in popular music now than ever before”. Moreover, by referencing the comments made by these artists I am simply adducing compelling evidence whereby they harm their own reputations and reveal what sort of people they really are and how their music is inspired by the offensivelly and repulsively indecent, as if we did not already know.

If you can produce any examples of rock artists who emphatically deny the connection between rock and sex, then I should like to hear about them and what they have to say for themselves. In my research thus far I have not been able to find one single artist in the rock media who challenges this link and who debunks it as mere urban myth or anti-rock propaganda. Now that surely is very telling and would seem to suggest that the reason no one has challenged this opinion is because nobody seriously contests it nor has any desire to contest it, apart from an insignificant minority of trendy Christians who do not wish to renounce a “few of their favourite things”, even if they are unwholesome and offend against accepted Christian morality.

It is mere conjecture that these performers are speaking in a superficial or ironic sense and do not intend their words to be taken at face value. This does not have the ring of truth about it since all of these artists/managers are of one accord when speaking of the unmistakable connection between rock music and sex; the argument might carry some weight if it was the opinion of just the occasional performer out to shock, but not all of them - are they all speaking with tongue in cheek? Methinks not. Without in any way wishing to sound discourteous, this has the whiff of special pleading in order to uphold a particular viewpoint.

The generally accepted definition of rock music is music characterised by a heavy beat, simple melodies and very little verbal sophistication. It is also generally agreed that rock music so understood has been the cause of an immense ammount of moral damage and that its predominant message has always been sexual permissiveness and revolt against authority, be it against parents or the establishment. It is decidedly anti-Christian, anti-conventional, anti-capitalistic, anti-morality, as even John Lennon himself acknowledged, or was he just being “playful” when he uttered those very truthful words?

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

 

[Tally_Marx]

Well, this topic is getting pretty old and redundant.
All I have to say is this:
My spiritual director (a very holy and well-known priest and speaker) listens to rock music, so long as the lyrics are decent. On the other hand, he avoids modern country music like the plague, because it’s just so consistently immoral. I think this says something. It certainly says enough for me!

Pax,
~Tally Marx

 

[Tally_Marx]

Dear Friend,

If you can produce any examples of rock artists who emphatically deny the connection between rock and sex, then I should like to hear about them and what they have to say for themselves. In my research thus far I have not been able to find one single artist in the rock media who challenges this link and who debunks it as mere urban myth or anti-rock propaganda.

Portrait,

Nice to see you here on CAF again!

I’d just like to say that I am a rock music artist. My rock music isn’t even specifically Christian music, though I am Catholic. But it is good music & promotes Christian values. And I do emphatically deny your theory that the very beat of rock (outside of the lyrics) promotes sex. And I have already debunked it in earlier posts.

Pax,
~Tally Marx

 

[Convert66]

I grew up listening to pop/rock, and played in rock bands, including a few metal bands in the 80’s; so, I’ve loved the music for a long time. But given what neurologists are uncovering about the effects of music on the brain (literally constructing, or channeling neural pathways; producing dopamine, euphoria and, in some modes, aggression–See “This Is Your Brain on Music”–Daniel J. Levitin) and the similarity of music to images in it’s ability to “sneak by” or bypass our conscious, rational minds, giving us no time to absorb and reflect on the message, but only to “feel” or “react;” and given the pervasive lyrical themes of rebellion, sexual licentiousness, shallow “relationships,” cheap sentimentality, violence and a general “do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law” attitude I think there is plenty of evidence that “rock music” (which includes blues, jazz, rock-n-roll, soul, hip-hop, techno, pop, etc.,) has little if any redeeming value.

St. Paul tells us, quoting Menander, that “Bad company corrupts good morals…” and while I have no doubt that he wasn’t referring to the rock band fronted by Paul Rodgers and signed to Led Zeppelin’s fledgling Swan Song label in the early 70’s, the lesson still stands. People who would never hang out with biker gangs, Satanists, Bloods and Crips, witches, secular humanists and, in general, pagans espousing anti-Christian worldviews, will nevertheless welcomingly ingest their “gospels” by way of music and lyrics without batting an eye.

Plato said, “When the modes of music change, the walls of the city shake.” Now, while he wasn’t referring to the literal window-rattling ubiquitous in the age of hip-hop “bumping” or 100,000 watt rock concerts, we can easily see how this is true within the popular culture as well as politics. Our culture is literally shaking apart.

Socrates said, “Let me compose a nation’s ballads, and I do not care who writes its’s laws;” because he understood the fundamental truth that culture creates the politics and not the other way around. Does anyone really think we’d have a culture largely paganized, and immune to any call for sexual restraint without the influence of rock and roll on the popular consciousness? When Elvis shook his hips on national television, in the 1950’s, it was a scandal, and it seems so quaint and old-fashioned for us to imagine now. This is only because we have been desensitized, and that the culture of that time was nearer to the truth that “rock and roll” was simply slang for " having sex." Elvis was a scandal in the 50’s. The Doors, The Beatles and the Stones singing of hallucinogenics, eastern mysticism and free love were briefly scandalous in the 60’s. Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath’s Crowley-ian crypto-satanism; Alice Cooper’s necrophilia and shock rock, along with Bowie, T-Rex, Elton John’s, etc., androgyny and homosexuality, leading directly to the Studio 54 hedonism counterculture of the Disco-era was briefly scandalous in the 70’s. In the 80’s we got cocaine, hair-metal decadence, soft-core pornography and the blatant satanism of bands like Slayer, Mercyful Fate, King Diamond, Venom, etc., and it was briefly scandalous. In the 90’s Madonna mocked Christianity in pop music, Nirvana preached nihilism and existential angst while spearheading the grunge movement, Nine Inch Nails and Rage Against the Machine called for Marxist revolution, while Red Hot Chili Peppers soared to the top with “Blood, Sugar, Sex Magic”, and Marilyn Manson declared open war on “fascist Christianity” and it was all a big shock… briefly. Well, Marilyn Manson was at his zenith over ten years ago. Kurt Cobain is long dead. Lady Gaga’s open Luciferianism and open advocacy of homosexuality today is not even a scandal now, with many parents taking pre-teen daughters to her concerts to see their heroine. Disney has made a cottage industry of sexualizing children at younger and younger ages, to the delight of over-sexed teenage boys and envious girls trying to keep up and compete everywhere.

See where this is going, yet? Elvis was quaint, indeed.

I encourage everyone to connect the dots. I also encourage everyone who is actually interested, as opposed to solely interested in defending their pet preferences, to carefully read this article(pdf.) to see that there is far more at work here than simply distorted guitars, 120 bpm’s in 4/4 time and kumbaya, feel-goodism ala “We are the World” and “Woodstock.”

Is rock music inherently evil? It’s highly likely. We are encouraged not to have any fellowship with the works of darkness; so, while I enjoyed thrilling an audience with my finest Yngwie Malmsteen impersonations back in the 80’s and 90’s or even my best “harmless” country bands, I can no longer support, encourage nor condone what passes for “harmless” and “cathartic” rock music any longer. I simply know too much to ignore the facts.

All my best…

P.S. For those who say “it’s just entertainment” and something along the lines of, “it only causes that behavior if there is something wrong with them already,” I ask you to recall two facts. 1)The fact of original sin, which, if you deny, then you are on the wrong message board and the debate is largely a moot point for you already; and, 2) advertisers spend billions a year because they know it has a huge effect upon our consumption habits.

 

[MichaelR]

=1)The fact of original sin, which, if you deny, then you are on the wrong message board and the debate is largely a moot point for you already; and, 2) advertisers spend billions a year because they know it has a huge effect upon our consumption habits.

Erm…I’m not sure it’s for you to judge who should or shouldn’t be on this message board…the beauty of it is that there is a mix of people here. You can see the range of religions by the user names of the posters.

I would question your assertion that ‘scientists’ are discovering particular things about the way music affects the brain. for a start, this generic ‘scientists’ is actually only a particular group, not all of them, and I could find research by ‘scientists’ that completely contradict what you say…as so many studies of the brain do, because the truth of it is we really don’t know enough about how the brain works to be able to understand the detail that you described.

Music doesn’t cause ‘bad’ behaviour. People cause ‘bad’ behaviour. It might be easier to find an excuse so people can absolve themselves of responsibility, or it’s easier to blame music than deal with the real social issues around ‘bad’ behaviour, but it doesn’t make it true.

And re: that the beat of rock music mimics sex…well, if you say that, then you could say the same of many styles of classical music!

 

[Miserys_Fence]

For example, the idea of masturbation. We were told it’s a normal function, especially in men, as it’s a sign of potency, maturation and of course it’s half an act of reproduction. We’re even told it’s healthy because it can reduce prostate cancer. Thanks to the Church, we know better.

You are treading on some very thin ice, my friend, implying that the Church has unlimited authority and/or any sort of superior medical knowledge.

Masturbation is normal. Very young children do it; people of every race and religion and cultural background do it. We define normal behavior as lack of significant deviation from the average, or in layman’s terms, “something that most everyone engages in.” I’m not saying GOOD or BAD, but definitely “normal.”

Second, there has indeed been one medical study (that I know of) that showed a significantly lower rate of prostate cancer in men over 50 who masturbate on a fairly regular basis. Again, no comment on GOOD or BAD–it’s still a fact, either way.

The Church is only an authority on SPIRITUAL matters–NOT medical ones. They certainly have a right to their own personal opinions as to the validity of medical studies, and they have as much right as anyone else to disagree about the definition of “normal.” But the day I start taking medical advice from the Church is the day I start taking spiritual guidance from my doctor.

Miz

 

[Portrait]

I grew up listening to pop/rock, and played in rock bands, including a few metal bands in the 80’s; so, I’ve loved the music for a long time. But given what neurologists are uncovering about the effects of music on the brain (literally constructing, or channeling neural pathways; producing dopamine, euphoria and, in some modes, aggression–See “This Is Your Brain on Music”–Daniel J. Levitin) and the similarity of music to images in it’s ability to “sneak by” or bypass our conscious, rational minds, giving us no time to absorb and reflect on the message, but only to “feel” or “react;” and given the pervasive lyrical themes of rebellion, sexual licentiousness, shallow “relationships,” cheap sentimentality, violence and a general “do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law” attitude I think there is plenty of evidence that “rock music” (which includes blues, jazz, rock-n-roll, soul, hip-hop, techno, pop, etc.,) has little if any redeeming value.

St. Paul tells us, quoting Menander, that “Bad company corrupts good morals…” and while I have no doubt that he wasn’t referring to the rock band fronted by Paul Rodgers and signed to Led Zeppelin’s fledgling Swan Song label in the early 70’s, the lesson still stands. People who would never hang out with biker gangs, Satanists, Bloods and Crips, witches, secular humanists and, in general, pagans espousing anti-Christian worldviews, will nevertheless welcomingly ingest their “gospels” by way of music and lyrics without batting an eye.

Plato said, “When the modes of music change, the walls of the city shake.” Now, while he wasn’t referring to the literal window-rattling ubiquitous in the age of hip-hop “bumping” or 100,000 watt rock concerts, we can easily see how this is true within the popular culture as well as politics. Our culture is literally shaking apart.

Socrates said, “Let me compose a nation’s ballads, and I do not care who writes its’s laws;” because he understood the fundamental truth that culture creates the politics and not the other way around. Does anyone really think we’d have a culture largely paganized, and immune to any call for sexual restraint without the influence of rock and roll on the popular consciousness? When Elvis shook his hips on national television, in the 1950’s, it was a scandal, and it seems so quaint and old-fashioned for us to imagine now. This is only because we have been desensitized, and that the culture of that time was nearer to the truth that “rock and roll” was simply slang for " having sex." Elvis was a scandal in the 50’s. The Doors, The Beatles and the Stones singing of hallucinogenics, eastern mysticism and free love were briefly scandalous in the 60’s. Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath’s Crowley-ian crypto-satanism; Alice Cooper’s necrophilia and shock rock, along with Bowie, T-Rex, Elton John’s, etc., androgyny and homosexuality, leading directly to the Studio 54 hedonism counterculture of the Disco-era was briefly scandalous in the 70’s. In the 80’s we got cocaine, hair-metal decadence, soft-core pornography and the blatant satanism of bands like Slayer, Mercyful Fate, King Diamond, Venom, etc., and it was briefly scandalous. In the 90’s Madonna mocked Christianity in pop music, Nirvana preached nihilism and existential angst while spearheading the grunge movement, Nine Inch Nails and Rage Against the Machine called for Marxist revolution, while Red Hot Chili Peppers soared to the top with “Blood, Sugar, Sex Magic”, and Marilyn Manson declared open war on “fascist Christianity” and it was all a big shock… briefly. Well, Marilyn Manson was at his zenith over ten years ago. Kurt Cobain is long dead. Lady Gaga’s open Luciferianism and open advocacy of homosexuality today is not even a scandal now, with many parents taking pre-teen daughters to her concerts to see their heroine. Disney has made a cottage industry of sexualizing children at younger and younger ages, to the delight of over-sexed teenage boys and envious girls trying to keep up and compete everywhere.

See where this is going, yet? Elvis was quaint, indeed.

I encourage everyone to connect the dots. I also encourage everyone who is actually interested, as opposed to solely interested in defending their pet preferences, to carefully read this article(pdf.) to see that there is far more at work here than simply distorted guitars, 120 bpm’s in 4/4 time and kumbaya, feel-goodism ala “We are the World” and “Woodstock.”

Is rock music inherently evil? It’s highly likely. We are encouraged not to have any fellowship with the works of darkness; so, while I enjoyed thrilling an audience with my finest Yngwie Malmsteen impersonations back in the 80’s and 90’s or even my best “harmless” country bands, I can no longer support, encourage nor condone what passes for “harmless” and “cathartic” rock music any longer. I simply know too much to ignore the facts.

All my best…

P.S. For those who say “it’s just entertainment” and something along the lines of, “it only causes that behavior if there is something wrong with them already,” I ask you to recall two facts. 1)The fact of original sin, which, if you deny, then you are on the wrong message board and the debate is largely a moot point for you already; and, 2) advertisers spend billions a year because they know it has a huge effect upon our consumption habits.

Dear Convert66,

Cordial greetings and thankyou for your excellent and incisive post which in my opinion is unanswerable.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

 

[Convert66]

Erm…I’m not sure it’s for you to judge who should or shouldn’t be on this message board…the beauty of it is that there is a mix of people here. You can see the range of religions by the user names of the posters.

I would question your assertion that ‘scientists’ are discovering particular things about the way music affects the brain. for a start, this generic ‘scientists’ is actually only a particular group, not all of them, and I could find research by ‘scientists’ that completely contradict what you say…as so many studies of the brain do, because the truth of it is we really don’t know enough about how the brain works to be able to understand the detail that you described.

Music doesn’t cause ‘bad’ behaviour. People cause ‘bad’ behaviour. It might be easier to find an excuse so people can absolve themselves of responsibility, or it’s easier to blame music than deal with the real social issues around ‘bad’ behaviour, but it doesn’t make it true.

And re: that the beat of rock music mimics sex…well, if you say that, then you could say the same of many styles of classical music!

I thought my intent was pretty clear, but let me clarify. This is a forum entitled “Catholic Answers Forums”; so, while I am well aware of the “range of religions” present on these boards, the assumption would be (given the title) that Catholic dogma such as “original sin” is prerequisite. This is why I added to my statement that such an assertion, if original sin is rejected a priori becomes largely a “moot point for you already.”

You may question my “assertion” until Beethoven rolls over, but you would do better to contend with actual scientists’ findings (in this instance, neurologists) only one of whom I cited and their findings about music’s effects upon the brain. Neurologists, I concede, are only one group of “scientists”, however, since I used the specific term “neurologists” you are either mistaken or disingenuous by asserting that I referred generically to “scientists.” Aside from that, I wonder what a physicist or ecologist or nuclear engineer would have to say that is in any way pertinent to the subject at hand, which is the brain and music’s effects upon it.

Instead of asserting that you can find scientists to contradict what I’ve read from numerous neuroscientists, why not cite one?

Also, I never stated that “music causes bad behavior.” You invented that yourself. What I said, quite clearly, is that music “effects” behavior, which is undeniable, even on the mundane level of American Bandstand’s cliche’ that “it’s got a good beat and I can dance to it.” Music influences, like all art forms, and as noted, advertisers as well as giant, successful, multinational corporations are premised upon the fact that it does influence behavior.

And your assertion that I implied that the beat of rock music “mimics sex”? I never said that either. What I said, and maintain, is that people in the 50’s understood better than we do, given our distance in time from rock and roll’s first explosion into popular culture, that “rock and roll” was well-known slang for “having sex.”

Given the multiple errors and distortions of what I’d written already, I can only assume that you are either erecting a straw man to argue against which bears no resemblance to anything I said, or have poor reading comprehension. In either case, perhaps this is the wrong topic or forum for you.

All my best…

 

[Portrait]

Portrait,

Nice to see you here on CAF again!

I’d just like to say that I am a rock music artist. My rock music isn’t even specifically Christian music, though I am Catholic. But it is good music & promotes Christian values. And I do emphatically deny your theory that the very beat of rock (outside of the lyrics) promotes sex. And I have already debunked it in earlier posts.

Pax,
~Tally Marx

Dear Tally,

Cordial greetings to you my dear chap and nice to see you also. Hope all is well?

Well I respect the fact that you are seeking to propagate Christian values via your music, but it is a great pity that the medium you are using for this purpose will only subvert those good and noble values.

Do you emphatically deny the connection between rock and sexual immorality as freely admitted by all performers in the higher reaches of the rock media?

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

 

[MichaelR]

Convert66: Don’t worry. You just missed the point.

By saying ‘scientists’ or ‘neurologists’, whichever, it doesn’t matter, by using it in a plural sense, it infers that all neurologists are in agreement on the point that you made. Which is not the case. That, I feel, is misleading. Having edited an academic piece of work based on music and the effect on the mind and brain, I saw plenty of studies that said a variety of different things…I didn’t see any that claimed what you have written. But I read a number of sources cited in the work that actually said we don’t know enough about how the brain works to understand the minute mechanics of how music affects the mind. We can speculate, but we cannot prove with definitive evidence.

So, I have to make a judgement upon which to base my view…a note from ‘neurologists’ that you wrote out…or the several pieces of work I read from source that claimed we can’t possibly know what your writing suggested. I choose to believe the side that I have seen the most evidence for. You are free to choose whichever side of it you like. It doesn’t really matter to me either way.

The second half of my post wasn’t directed at you, it was directed to the question of the thread in general, so there is no need to take it personally, or, indeed, think that I just replied to tackle what you said, because, as I’ve said, your personal opinion is up to you really.

I still stand by the fact that I don’t believe it is your place to infer who should or shouldn’t be on this message board. From your post: ‘then you are on the wrong message board’…I think people here are intelligent enough to decide for themselves whether they are on the right message board or not.

And I never said you said that the beat of rock music mimics sex. That was written in a previous post a few posts back from yours. This is a long thread with lots of people on it saying lots of things, not just you.

Just to make it clearer for you to understand in the future, I will make some kind of mark between different points that refer to different posts in case you haven’t been following the entire thread. I thought using paragraphs was enough, but I don’t want to confuse you.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Our culture is literally shaking apart.

Really? I read a history book and see mankind’s culture never moving anywhere. The medieval times were barbaric. The centuries following were fraught with colonialism, imperialism, racism, and slavery. The 1800s only culminated all that to its peak with the abuse of industrialization. No matter what time you go back into, there’s bound to be as much dirt to dig up as any other.

See where this is going, yet? Elvis was quaint, indeed.

I encourage everyone to connect the dots. I also encourage everyone who is actually interested, as opposed to solely interested in defending their pet preferences, to carefully read this article(pdf.) to see that there is far more at work here than simply distorted guitars, 120 bpm’s in 4/4 time and kumbaya, feel-goodism ala “We are the World” and “Woodstock.”

Connect the dots? When there’s so many? Oh wait, did you know there were so many? Did you know that not all these dots do not necessarily connect at all?

Ever heard of Flow? How about Back-ON, Psychic Lover, TM Revolution, Gackt, and Tommy Heavenly6? Do you know of bands Kamikazee, 6 Cycle Mind, Eraserheads, Bamboo, Parokya ni Edgar, Rivermaya, or even Hale?

I doubt you have actually. Know why? They’re not American which is pretty much the only face of rock and popular music that you have covered. Same goes for your article.

Or am I under the impression that such music is solely exclusive to Brits and Americans?

 

[AndrewA]

They still make rock music? I thought it died in the 90’s and was replaced by the pop **** we hear now. Like the “hits” Disney churns out mindlessly.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Just when Guns n’ Roses was resurrecting rock, Nirvana and Pearl Jam had to come along and butcher it all…now Nickleback is THE best music you’ll hear…the 90’s and 2000’s are garbage…my radio is tuned into the classic rock station where I listen to those Satanic Eagles Don Henley and company LOL LOL

They still make rock music? I thought it died in the 90’s and was replaced by the pop **** we hear now. Like the “hits” Disney churns out mindlessly.

 

[Returning_Home]

They still make rock music? I thought it died in the 90’s and was replaced by the pop **** we hear now. Like the “hits” Disney churns out mindlessly.

No, real rock and roll died before Buddy Holly. There really wasn’t much music made between 1958 and 1977, just a lot of drug-fueled static.

 

[Returning_Home]

Just when Guns n’ Roses was resurrecting rock, Nirvana and Pearl Jam had to come along and butcher it all…now Nickleback is THE best music you’ll hear…the 90’s and 2000’s are garbage…my radio is tuned into the classic rock station where I listen to those Satanic Eagles Don Henley and company LOL LOL

Unfortunately the ‘arena rock’ acts like the Eagles helped to keep rock and roll from rising again. They’re filed under ‘cheesy listening.’

 

[NewsTheMan]

Portrait, a small response for you.

I was watching a television show on cooking, it might have been that Ramsay one or some other competition. Anyway. I have some quotes for you! A conversation between some competitors

“Cooking is sexy”
“Cooking is just like sex!”
“Some things are even designed to look like…”
“Haha”

So, by your reasoning, these people have just condemned cooking - just as the artists you quoted did the same for rock by saying what they said. How am I to find a quote from a top tier musician that says something to the effect of “my music is not about sex or evil”. Because nobody would say that, its just too absurd and out of context.

By the way…

If you think rock music is typified by a heavy beat and simple melodies/lyrics you clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I mean that in the most charitable way possible. You just have no clue and base your very poor opinion of rock music on a few songs here and there and with a little bit of your own bias thrown in. In any case… no, rock music is not typified like that. You cannot box rock music so strictly. And that is one of many reasons why its impossible to call rock music intrinsically evil.

And you still havent answered the original and most important question?

Is rock music instrinsically evil? If yes, then you will need a thesis length support of that statement because it would need some extremely long and heavy arguing. If no (the correct answer) then you will have to admit that your own bias and subjectivity is nothing more than that, and rock music as a genre is not evil.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Are you joking here? The Eagles have so much respect in the music community and from classic rock fans? They’re a pillar of classic rock and sell out in minutes when they announce a concert. They put out an album here and there and it sells like hot cakes. They have so many grammys and awesome albums and hit songs. Cheesy listening? Next I’m sure you’ll tell me the Beatles were inconsequential LOL…The Eagles, cheesy? Give me a break? Arena rock is totally NOT the Eagles either. Hello? That’s Def Leppard and Kiss and Judas Priest for God’s sake LOL…Your post has left me perplexed??? LOL

Unfortunately the ‘arena rock’ acts like the Eagles helped to keep rock and roll from rising again. They’re filed under ‘cheesy listening.’

 

[Portrait]

Portrait, a small response for you.

I was watching a television show on cooking, it might have been that Ramsay one or some other competition. Anyway. I have some quotes for you! A conversation between some competitors

“Cooking is sexy”
“Cooking is just like sex!”
“Some things are even designed to look like…”
“Haha”

So, by your reasoning, these people have just condemned cooking - just as the artists you quoted did the same for rock by saying what they said. How am I to find a quote from a top tier musician that says something to the effect of “my music is not about sex or evil”. Because nobody would say that, its just too absurd and out of context.

By the way…

If you think rock music is typified by a heavy beat and simple melodies/lyrics you clearly have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I mean that in the most charitable way possible. You just have no clue and base your very poor opinion of rock music on a few songs here and there and with a little bit of your own bias thrown in. In any case… no, rock music is not typified like that. You cannot box rock music so strictly. And that is one of many reasons why its impossible to call rock music intrinsically evil.

And you still havent answered the original and most important question?

Is rock music instrinsically evil? If yes, then you will need a thesis length support of that statement because it would need some extremely long and heavy arguing. If no (the correct answer) then you will have to admit that your own bias and subjectivity is nothing more than that, and rock music as a genre is not evil.

Dear friend,

Cordial greetings and thankyou kindly for your reply to my post.

If you read all of my contributions to this thread it will be manifestly self-evident that I am decidedly of the opinion that rock is intrinsically evil and I have given, what I believe, are very cogent reasons for holding such a belief. People vehemently disagree with these reasons, but reasons I certainly have submitted. My numerous posts, when taken altogether in their entirety, probably do amount to a thesis against rock music from a Christian standpoint.

Your parallel with these tv cookery programmes cannot be sustained for the simple reason that these shows make no pretence that they are intended to be seen as entertaining fun frolics. Thus one expects the sort of ribald remarks that you refer to as they are are part and parcel of this type of prime-time tawdry tv programme. That this reasoning is also applicable to the face value statements of rock artists respecting their music genre, is anything but crystal clear. Sorry but your analogy is not transparently obvious and so leaves too big a margin for doubt.

However, that their is a definite connection between rock and sexual immorality is clear from the fact that Rolling Stone magazine can refer to ‘prophylactic rock’ and that certain tunes are known in the industry as ‘masturbatory rock’. Everyone, it would seem, acknowledges this filth connection save for a handful of Christians who are desperately seeking to justify this unsavoury music genre, whatever it takes.

One of the basic constituents of rock music is constant repetition; one of its major features will be constant repetition of chord patterns, beat, narrow range of notes or a rhythmic figure. It may be counter-argued by saying that there is considerable repetition in certain classical pieces, and that is quite true. However, it is creative, with subtle variations woven into it. Is there really any comparison between, say, the repetition in a Vivaldi concerto movement and that in Led Zeppelin’s ‘Whole Lotta Love’ (widely considered a classic piece of rock)? Quite apart from the erotic elements and simulated orgasm, ‘Whole Lotta Love’ has about as much variety as a pneumatic drill. Incidently, those erotic elements and the simulated orgasm demonstrate the filth connection between rock and sex and as you know such examples could be, sadly, multiplied many times, proving that there is a philosphy of rock and that that philosophy is incontrovertibly sexual immorality.

If the majority of leading rock musicians bear testimony to the fact that there is a connection between rock music and sex, and they are all mistaken in this belief, then it is surely perfectly reasonable to expect someone in the industry to come forward and set the record straight. The reason that no one has to date is that no one believes that it is an erroneous viewpoint, only held by a small minority Puritan priggs or a few concerned parent’s who are worried about the effects of rock upon their offspring. Rock music has always been disrespectful and sexually permissive and always will be, it just cannot help itself.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait