Dont understand atheists

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After reading into atheism and christianity alot over the last few weeks, I dont understand how atheists believe what they believe.

OK, first of all nothing existed, nothing. Then out of nothing this beautiful vast universe, with huge planets, stars and galaxies was created.

Then again out of nothing sprang this unique planet called earth and once again out of nothing, life mystically evolved.

Out of nothing somehow became 2 self replicating molecules which somehow grew eyes, hearts, veins, skin and senses… LOL

I look at the human body and how complex it is(not to mention all of the birds, fish, reptiles etc). Even something as simple as a lymph node or a gland is complex, we get a cold or illness, the node swells up, traps the illness then destroys it, keeping us alive and healthy. Then we have consciousness, eyes, lungs and thoughts and feelings that somehow grew out of nothing.

We then move out of science onto religion. Look at all the stuff that has happened, the great story of Jesus, The Bible… OK you can deny that but it is then followed up by modern miracles and the great saints.

Really there has been too much amazing stuff that has happened for their to be no God surely? The existence of life is the greatest miracle of them all in my opinion! But then for Christianity to grow rapidly, saints to be produced and many miracles to happen…

surely its the atheists who are delusional, and not us believers as Dawkins would say.
 
Just wait for an atheist to post to hear his side of things.

In the meantime:

EDIT: Ha! I love how that picture was posted at the exact same time 😃
 
atheism is a banned topic 😦 I would love to comment bc you ask some good questions although the term “delusional” and somewhat mocking tone of your post is not the best way to start off. If you are actually interested in an answer from an atheist though, you can PM me.
 
samiam1611 said:
atheism is a banned topic 😦 I would love to comment bc you ask some good questions although the term “delusional” and somewhat mocking tone of your post is not the best way to start off. If you are actually interested in an answer from an atheist though, you can PM me.
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Actually, atheism is not banned in this sub forum. It’s only the philosophy forum where you can’t talk about it.
 
samiam1611 said:
atheism is a banned topic 😦
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No, it’s not. Only Atheism threads started by Atheists for the purpose of instilling doubt are banned. There are many threads about Atheism and Atheists that remain unclosed, unremoved, and unbanned (I know none of these are words, but hey they get the point accross 😉 )
 
oh wait, that was in the non-Catholic religions subforum. Hmmm. Well I wil keep an eye on this thread and if it is isn’t closed tomorrow I will respond.
 
Atheists do not as a group have a set of views about ‘why’ things are. Scientists, who may be atheists, develop hypotheses and theories to explain apparent facts. Atheists who are scientific in their approach are people who have yet to identify a fact that requires the existence of a god to explain it (or a number of gods, or a universal spirit, or a first mover etc). I have yet to have a conversation with a religious person who in the end does not assert the existence of a thing, faith, with is transmitted spiritually, but has an effect on a material thing, the brain, leading to a specific belief in a spiritual thing, a god (or gods). Atheists in general find this reasoning impossible to engage with, since it cannot be challenged through any observable fact. They also find it unnecessarily complex to explain what they can see, hear, touch, feel, or calculate. And they find it interesting that the faith experience leads to belief in so many different spirits and gods, and that however powerful these gods are, they are unable to transmit faith in its details, but depend on people to do so - resulting in most Muslims raising Muslim children, Jews, Jews, Catholics, Catholics and animists, animists.
 
Atheists do not really believe that there was nothing and something suddenly appeared.

There are lots of other philosophical or theological ideas about the underlying nature of being, including the being of the universe. Some of them are quite sophisticated.

Many atheists, like the ancients, don’t think that there was ever a time that there was “nothing”. They would say that there was probably always some kind of material extension obeying some kind of laws, and that these things are simply self-existent in some sense and have always been.

There are challenges with that view, but it isn’t as stupid as the OP has implied.

Also remember that what is commonly called atheism might include ideas that properly speaking might including a belief in an underlying non-physical, or partially non-physical reality. For example, a person who believed something similar to what Spinoza or even Aristotle did might consider himself an atheist.
 
Bluegoat said:
Atheists do not really believe that there was nothing and something suddenly appeared.

There are lots of other philosophical or theological ideas about the underlying nature of being, including the being of the universe. Some of them are quite sophisticated.

Many atheists, like the ancients, don’t think that there was ever a time that there was “nothing”. They would say that there was probably always some kind of material extension obeying some kind of laws, and that these things are simply self-existent in some sense and have always been.
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Ironically science itself proved that universe is not eternal but God by definition is.

God bless :byzsoc:

David
 
catholicm17 said:
After reading into atheism and christianity alot over the last few weeks, I dont understand how atheists believe what they believe.
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That’d be because you’ve got some pretty wild-haired ideas about atheists. Heck, most of the stuff you posted in here is theistic, not atheistic. Ya’ll need to either read more about atheism, or stop reading what theists tell you about it. Or get used to being confused, of course.

As ever, Jesse
 
To not believe there is any higher power that created the universe and life in all it’s complexity is really hard to believe. Most people I know say there might be some higher power, God or energy which would probably make them more agnostic than atheists.

Not to believe in Jesus and the Bible isn’t really hard. If you live in the 20th/21st Century, the whole Bible stories can see too far away for many. Seeing the complexity of life might be an indication that there might be some kind of higher power but it doesn’t indicate that Jesus ever existed.
Let’s say I grew up in an area where I never heard of Jesus. I could easily believe in some higher power but what in nature would indicate that Jesus and the Bible existed? The natives of the New World could have never believed in Jesus even if they wanted to until the Spanish discovered and converted them. They still had their beliefs though and weren’t atheists.
 
Atheists I know and have discussed things with don’t believe in God because it doesn’t suit them. This is a simplification of that belief system of course, but something that is always present in their reasoning to some degree. People latcth on to trendy scientific theories and refuse to admit they are theories, and consider them fact. Or look for reasons why there can’t be a God because the world is a messed up place. That kind of thing. In my experience, it tends to be pseudo science or some emotional issue. Their worldview is then built upon that.
I don’t understand them either, and don’t really want to, to be quite honest. Just too depressing. 😦
 
Contra_Mundum said:
Atheists I know and have discussed things with don’t believe in God because it doesn’t suit them. This is a simplification of that belief system of course, but something that is always present in their reasoning to some degree.
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I find that explanation a bit simple.

I’m not an atheist but there are certain events in the Bible that I just don’t believe as facts, like Noah’s arc. I just can’t believe this story because it doesn’t make any sense to me. It’s not that believing this story doesn’t suit me, I just can’t force myself to believe it. I think it’s the same with many atheists. The reason they don’t believe is not arrogance, ignorance or convenience. It’s just that they can’t believe.
 
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