Don't worry about Pope Francis!

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I love this man!

I am too young to remember Pope John XXIII, but I wish I could have been there to be part of the Catholic world he guided! He was adored by millions, and had a vibrancy almost unheard-of in a man his age.

Pope Francis inspires!!! I can’t stop talking about him, and how it seems like he’s just what the Church needs! What a gentle and holy man… There are far worse comparisons that could be made than John XXIII.

I think that we have been supremely blessed to have had so many great Vicars of Christ over the last 60 years; each one bringing a little something different to the table…
I agree. I was raised with Jesuit priests and instead of making a very good living with my deg:thumbsup:ree, I chose stay at the Jesuit high school I was working. Every financial sacrifice my family has made has been well worth it. I cannot say enough about all the Jesuit priests I have known in my life. All priest deserve our gratitude, but I am thrilled more of the world will see the Jesuit spirit, something I think is long over due. I am thrilled with the decision of the Holy Spirit and the openness of the cardinals to come to the is choice. It truly renews my faith in our Church.
 
At 2 minutes 48 mark he pats a dog :eek:

I’ve never seen anything like that in my life.

The Pope, in public - patting a dog

If I find out he loves horses and rides, I might seriously think about converting :D:D:D

Sarah x 🙂
Hey, Sarah, Benedict, in his own words, “adored” cats! His own cat had to live with his brother in Germany, because pets are not allowed in the Papal residence. This is so crazy to me since if the Pope can’t change the rules in the Vatican, who can??? 😃
 
Have any of you ever read Bl. John XXIII’s autobiography? I had to take a course on him when I was a seminarian. His autobiography is a spiritual testament, but it reads like a warm novel.

Pope Francis is starting to remind me of Pope John. Pope John gave the Vatican police a run for their money. He sneaked out so many times that they were ready to put him in chains. One time, by his own admission, he put on a black cassock, a fidora and trench coat and sneaked out a service entrance. Roman police found him when he purchased ice cream from a street vendor, went to pay and found that he had no money in his pocket. He tried to give the vendor an IOU. The vendor thought that the old priest was senile and stopped a police officer on patrol.

I heard that the good Pope Francis pulled another fast one on the security team today. He was to have a meeting with the cardinals in one of the halls. Normally, the pope does not wander around the halls without an escort. When they went to escort him he was missing. He navigated his way to the hall on his own, to the chagrin of the Swiss Guards.

My only question is how can a man in a white cassock just disappear from under your nose like that. Unless they have have several hundred Dominicans and Cistercians hanging around, he’s not too difficult to spot.
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Hey, Sarah, Benedict, in his own words, “adored” cats! His own cat had to live with his brother in Germany, because pets are not allowed in the Papal residence. This is so crazy to me since if the Pope can’t change the rules in the Vatican, who can??? 😃
I also read somewhere that back when he was Cardinal Ratzinger, before he became Pope, he used to feed the stray cats in St. Peter’s Square. I thought that was so sweet! 😛

As thrilled as I am with our new Pope, I’m going to miss Benedict XVI. He was a wonderful Pope in his own right.
 
I also read somewhere that back when he was Cardinal Ratzinger, before he became Pope, he used to feed the stray cats in St. Peter’s Square. I thought that was so sweet! 😛

As thrilled as I am with our new Pope, I’m going to miss Benedict XVI. He was a wonderful Pope in his own right.
👍👍👍👍

…from a cat lady.
 
I agree with you, though I also think your views on this are somewhat skewed because you are a religious. It does help to have a secular perspective. The Papacy isn’t being the Superior of the Jesuits. It has a very secular, in the weeds realpolitik element, for good or ill. I think Francis will be fine. .
I don’t think my views are skewed at all. I do believe that may lay faithful don’t want to concede that a pope can be a religious and that his papacy will be heavily influenced by the charism of his religious order. It’s not the first time that this has happened. That’s how we got the papal white, from a Dominican pope.

I will add this, if the lay faithful and some diocesan clergy are not careful, there is going to be a revolt in masse by religious. I know of three religious superiors who are pulling their men out of diocesan work because of this. In one case, the community runs five parishes in a diocese. These parishes will have to consolidate or close, because 18 religious are leaving and the bishop does not have 18 diocesan priests and brothers. If I were bishop, I would be ballistic with these parishioners. The reason that they’re leaving is that they are being expected to live and work like diocesan priests and their new superior has said, “No way, no morel.”

Human beings have a tendency to shoot themselves in the foot. I can see this happening with this pope as it has happened in some dioceses. We really need to back down and let this man do things his way. To for another person into a mold rarely works. Only when people choose to mold themselves according to a certain pattern does it work. I can’t make a secular priest out of a Jesuit anymore than I can make a Vincentian out of a Franciscan. It has to happen voluntarily for it to work.
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I love this man!

I am too young to remember Pope John XXIII, but I wish I could have been there to be part of the Catholic world he guided! He was adored by millions, and had a vibrancy almost unheard-of in a man his age.

Pope Francis inspires!!! I can’t stop talking about him, and how it seems like he’s just what the Church needs! What a gentle and holy man… There are far worse comparisons that could be made than John XXIII.

I think that we have been supremely blessed to have had so many great Vicars of Christ over the last 60 years; each one bringing a little something different to the table…
I can’t predict what he will do for the Church. However, I can say this. Every pope, even the most sinful pope, has satisfied a need in the Church. The Holly Spirit is not absent from His Chruch.
 
If I were bishop, I would be ballistic with these parishioners.
I don’t understand this.

How can it be the parishioners fault?

Surely, these religious priests and brothers explain to the laity how they live and what they can expect from them from the get go?

Pulling these religious from the parish seems to suggest things have got to a very extreme point for all concerned.

Is it really all down to a misunderstanding of roles of the Religious by the laity, or is there politics involved?

Sorry, I don’t understand how these things work, so if the answer is obvious and I’m missing it from ignorance, forgive me, but I’m interested in understanding this situation.

Sarah x 🙂
 
I don’t understand this.

How can it be the parishioners fault?

Surely, these religious priests and brothers explain to the laity how they live and what they can expect from them from the get go?

Pulling these religious from the parish seems to suggest things have got to a very extreme point for all concerned.

Is it really all down to a misunderstanding of roles of the Religious by the laity, or is there politics involved?

Sorry, I don’t understand how these things work, so if the answer is obvious and I’m missing it from ignorance, forgive me, but I’m interested in understanding this situation.

Sarah x 🙂
In the past, religious orders did not run parishes. Because of a shortage of priests, Vatican I encouraged religious superiors to ordain more men and to help the bishops by taking on parishes. Between the 19th and the 21st century, religious working in parishes put all of their energy into the parishes. They took on these parishes, because they were poor. Most of them were either rural or urban parishes that served the immigrant poor.

However, they made one critical mistake. They ran these parishes as if they were diocesan priests. They accommodated their religious life around the life of the parish. A simple example, in some parishes the religious would adjust their prayer schedule and their community schedules around the parish schedule.

When Vatican II and later Pope John Paul II called male religious to return to their roots and to the vision of their founders, many superiors pulled their men back. They had to schedule parish functions around the functions of the community. You could no longer sit in the confessional for hours and miss community recreation, meals, prayers and community work. For example, a religious, if he was a priest, would have to leave the confessional in time to return to the house for a community function.

Religious communities have their own spirituality. For example, Franciscans have a preference for the poor. I know one friar who was a pastor who opened up the church for the homeless to sleep on cold winter nights. The homeless slept on the pews and in the morning the brothers served them something before they left. The people of the parish were scandalized. No matter how much the friars explained that Christ is not offended by the presence of the poor, the people complained to the bishop. Of course, the bishop said that it was out of his hands. He’s not their superior. He owns the parish, but not the friars.

A group of religious from another community were available for a few hours a day, because they are hermits. They spend most of their day in solitude and silence. This was new to the people. They were used to these men being available all day long. The new superior said that this was not going to happen any longer, because they were to return to their old ways.

Little things like this upset people. When they were told that the religious were to return to their old ways, most people didn’t like it, because they were very used to having the religious available to them all the time. However, most people are really very kind and they adjust. But not everyone adjusts. Some people fight. They begin to complain and to carry tales to the superiors. When the superiors look into these tales, they find nothing. They find that the religious simply won’t give in to the expectations of the people.

Remember, this is not a large number. It’s just a noisy number. Isn’t that always the case? The minority makes a lot of noise. The superiors finally become tired of the complaining and decide to pull out.

Another issue has to do with social classes. As I said, some parishes were very poor when they were founded. As time passed, they became middle class parishes. The religious introduced social outreach programs in their parishes, consistent with their vocation to serve the poor. Some people see this as political, Socialist, Modernist and other. This creates complaints. Again, superiors get tired and pull out.

What happens is that a small group that is very vocal and a larger group that is too intimidated to stand up to the smaller more vocal group push the religious against the wall. The religious have a choice to make: a) stay and fight, b) cave in, or c) leave. The first is not pleasant for anyone. The second is not what the founder had in mind. The option is to leave. They usually leave and go to areas or ministries where they can live according to their charism by starting from scratch.
 
A simple example, in some parishes the religious would adjust their prayer schedule and their community schedules around the parish schedule.

When Vatican II and later Pope John Paul II called male religious to return to their roots and to the vision of their founders, many superiors pulled their men back. They had to schedule parish functions around the functions of the community. You could no longer sit in the confessional for hours and miss community recreation, meals, prayers and community work. For example, a religious, if he was a priest, would have to leave the confessional in time to return to the house for a community function.

Religious communities have their own spirituality. For example, Franciscans have a preference for the poor. I know one friar who was a pastor who opened up the church for the homeless to sleep on cold winter nights. The homeless slept on the pews and in the morning the brothers served them something before they left. The people of the parish were scandalized.
Ok, I understand now.

Thank you for taking the time to explain.
Remember, this is not a large number. It’s just a noisy number. Isn’t that always the case?
I hear that 😦

Thanks again for clarifying.

Sarah x 🙂
 
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