Dormition vs. Assumption of Mary

[aidanbradypop]

Well considering the forum started based on N.T. Wright’s (an Anglican mind you) quote on an alleged “Dormition vs. Assumption”, the forum was created to answer whether he was correct on his assessment.

If the Episcopalian view is the same as other Anglicans such as N.T. Wright, then the Episcopalian view was covered, addressed, and refuted aions ago.

Did you read my post? It differs among us. Lol you have a great day.

 

[newenglandsun]

Did you read my post? It differs among us. Lol you have a great day.

Hahaha! I know that! Anglicans, like all Protestants, can’t make up their minds on anything!

 

[brumano]

Eschatology is on a list of things that are considered described as in dubiis libertas

so you have freedom to disagree as long as you are within bounds of what the Catechism says. I would say that there may be multiple spiritual comings of Christ depending on what you mean by “coming” but what most people talk about when they talk about “second coming” is not a “coming in judgment” but an actual physical returning. Hence, it’s a second coming. The second coming.

True and it is good that the church gives us such wide freedom on these subjects; I believe I’m well within bounds of what the catechism both restricts and allows.
The spiritual and expansive presence of Christ is in fact gotten from His own dogmatic statement; “Behold I am with you always even until the end of the world.” But this takes faith and communion with Him on our part; to see or behold; Him. Do we really see Him, in the Sacraments, substantially in the Eucharist, in person in the Sacrament of Reconciliation and so forth. “Where I am there my servant shall be” do we behold Him in those who are lacking in anything; “Whatsoever you did to them you did to me.” So I think you would see where this is going; it’s not numerous spiritual comings, which I would also point out would necessitate goings, it’s the ever present Lord. But in the second coming the glorified physical Christ, returns, coming on the clouds with great power as I’m sure you’re very familiar with the Scripture references that speak about this will come to mind.

Unless you think that such things as a beast with ten horns and seven heads coming out of the water are supposed to be literal. If you are talking about the Olivet Discourse, much of it is actually unraveling in the Bible

 

[newenglandsun]

I guess I should have said “judgment coming” as opposed to physical coming although a physical coming can be a judgment coming, a judgment coming does not have to be a physical coming.

 

[brumano]

St. John is good to read about St Mary not so much on the Immaculate Conception though, he concluded it meant Her IC made sin impossible for Her. that’s not true. Perhaps that’s why comments like “she had no choice” appear now and again.

Better to read…

absoluteprimacyofchrist.org/duns-scotus/

Maximus the Confessor also, oh wait he’s from the East.

You obviously have a much greater depth and scope of reading on this, could’nt the answer be that the life of Mary as St. Maximovithch sees it, is the life that God saw beforehand and then gave Mary her Immaculate Conception so that she could live the life in time of the Mother of God? Immaculately free from sin and death?

 

[Yerusalyim]

I am aware the tradition says that Mary had died, however what I am concluding is that Mary could not have suffered from death unless she chose to, she was free from the consequences of sin, so she could not have suffered those consequences without consenting to them, as Our Lord had done. I believe this approach conforms with tradition, because to say she died without consent would cause severe problems with other revelations on the Blessed Mother.

I need you to show this to me in church teaching. I have NEVER heard this before and reject it out of hand as it assigns to Mary quasi-divinity. She did not have a glorified body…she was still subject to death. She was rescued from the stain of original sin at her conception…but that is a different matter than being free from death. So, show me something definitive from the Church stating that Mary had to "consent’ to die.