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I have heard that Challoner relied heavily on the King James Version in his translation. But, since the KJV has many errors was that very prudent of him to do so? Does this undermine Challoner’s translation?
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The Douay-Rheims was first released in 1610. The Rheims NT was completed in 1582 and Douay OT in 1609. The original translators of the KJV used manuscripts and other Bible translations including the Wycliffe, Tyndale NT, Coverdale, Bishop’s, Geneva, Douay-Rheims and Latin Vulgate. They used heavily on the Rheims NT as the Douay OT was a work in progress at the time of the translation of the KJV. When revised I am not for sure that that Challoner used the KJV for a reference. The KJV is an excellent Bible and the only errors I see is the omission of what protestants call the apocrypha. If you look not at just the KJV but the Bishops Bible, Geneva, Coverdale, Tyndale NT and Wycliffe Bible you’ll find that most things are identical. I don’t think that it does undermine the Challoner. I do think that modern versions of the Bible, Catholic and non-Catholic is undermined due to the fact of different texts used (accurate to the point, but not the most accurate as some claim). In all honesty the Challoner text isn’t much different than the original Douay-Rheims. There were some minor revision, but it didn’t diminish the the Latin Vulgate in anyway which was translated from accurate manuscripts, no matter what modernist say.
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What does everyone think of this: www.realdouayrheims.com
And who is Dr. von Peters?
I am thinking of getting the “original and true” Douay-Rheims from that site. Did anyone else buy from there? What are your thoughts on it?
And who is Dr. von Peters?
I am thinking of getting the “original and true” Douay-Rheims from that site. Did anyone else buy from there? What are your thoughts on it?
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Nickkname
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You can also try a religious book store.
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Canto
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It is the original, first ever, douay rheims OT and NT from 1582.
It simply puts the texts in modern spelling.
It still has the thy’s etc but haile fulle of grace becomes hail full of grace for example.
I have it and you can order a CD or simply download the PDFs.
My favourite english Bible. The notes are phenomenal!
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bpbasilphx
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The KJV is an excellent Bible and the only errors I see is the omission of what protestants call the apocrypha.
**The Apocrypha was originally translated as part of the KJV, and full KJVs can be found.
I won’t have a mutilated KJV in my house.**
**The Apocrypha was originally translated as part of the KJV, and full KJVs can be found.
I won’t have a mutilated KJV in my house.**
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cam100
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I purchased the printed copy from this site, but I gave it away as a gift. Personally, I think that most people would not really benefit much from having a copy of the “real” Douay-Rheims Bible. It is written in a style that quite different from modern English, and this makes it difficult to read and understand. If you are an English language scholar who is familiar with this style, or you simply want a copy for the historical significance, then you might find it useful.
There are some people who place a lot of emphasis on getting a copy of the bible that is as “original” as possible. But if you have difficulty understanding the writing, then you’re reducing the benefit you can obtain from that copy.
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cam100
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I don’t know about this. Cardinal Newman reviewed the Challoner Douay-Rheims and wrote that it was basically a new translation of the Bible, as compared to the original Douay-Rheims.
For those who are not aware of this, the Douay-Rheims bibles that are sold by 99% of suppliers are actually Challoner revisions of the Douay-Rheims.
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tobinatorstark
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The challoner revision made only minor changes and still doesn’t take away any doctrine.
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I_Believe
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If anyone wants a real DR, the one offered by Loreto Publications is the cat’s meow.
If you want one, pm me and I’ll give you a link where you order one from a non-profit family apostolate for 32 bucks shipped.
If you want one, pm me and I’ll give you a link where you order one from a non-profit family apostolate for 32 bucks shipped.
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I_Believe
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True, but fully understanding an inferior translation of the Vulgate isn’t really a plus.
Just sayin’
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Jerry-Jet
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Is a superior English translation of the Vulgate possible?
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I_Believe
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Please disregard my comment. I mis-read your post.True, but fully understanding an inferior translation of the Vulgate isn’t really a plus.
Just sayin’
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tobinatorstark
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I know of a few that have a DR from the Loreto Publications and they like it. When I ordered my DR it was spur of the moment decision. Don’t get me wrong, I love my Douay-Rheims a lot, but I spent 55 dollars and didn’t bother to look for one that was cheaper. I still feel I made the right decision. I was reading the NAB and wanted something more literal and the Douay just was what I needed. I throuoghly get more from the Douay than any other Bible. I applaud those who recommend the D-R in general
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I agree! Douay Rheims is a terrific Bible…I have a copy from Baronius, & it is easily the best Bible I have ever read.
For a modern translation, the RSV-CE is excellent.
But nothing comes up to the D-R. It is word for word from the Vulgate…no
inserting modern opinions of what someone wants the Bible to say, as opposed to telling us what the Bible actually **does **say.
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tobinatorstark;:
At any rate, the KJV as published under the Royal Patent still includes the Anglican Dueterocanonical material.
If your KJV excludes that material, then you deliberately chose to obtain a version that excludes it.
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jonathon
Under Anglican Canon Law, the KJV could not be published if it excluded the Deuterocanonial books of the Anglican Canon. For roughly a decade, it was illegal to publish the KJV sans those books. I don’t remember if the Royal Patent currently requires them to be included, or not.
At any rate, the KJV as published under the Royal Patent still includes the Anglican Dueterocanonical material.If your KJV excludes that material, then you deliberately chose to obtain a version that excludes it.
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I am glad someone agrees on that:thumbsup:
I agree! Douay Rheims is a terrific Bible…I have a copy from Baronius, & it is easily the best Bible I have ever read.
For a modern translation, the RSV-CE is excellent.
But nothing comes up to the D-R. It is word for word from the Vulgate…no
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I guess I don’t know much about the Anglican Canon. I know that there are some that do, majority here in the U.S. are hard to find. The KJV Bibles I have don’t have them. All 3 were given to me. One is actually a Thompson Chain-Reference and does mention the 7 deutrocanonicals. Could you provide a link about the Anglican Canon and laws regarding the KJV. It would interesting to read. ThanksUnder Anglican Canon Law, the KJV could not be published if it excluded the Deuterocanonial books of the Anglican Canon. For roughly a decade, it was illegal to publish the KJV sans those books. I don’t remember if the Royal Patent currently requires them to be included, or not.
If your KJV excludes that material, then you deliberately chose to obtain a version that excludes it.
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Mattjolley
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I’m pretty sure Loreto’s D-R is also a Challenor edition? Its text and notes match my Baronius. I wasted my money buying it, the print is shoddy and bunched up, at least Baronius reset the type so it is clearly readable. How do you mean a ‘real’ DR? Since it is no different from Baronius’s, aside from print quality.
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zach_dunn
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I got the Douay-Rheims Latin Vulgate Bible with commentary by Fr. Haydock, I think it’s a pretty good Bible. Unfortunately, I don’t know how to use this Bible to my advantage or its full potential, could anyone help me?
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