Oriel–
Trotting ou the slogans of eternal hell and eternal punishment and seperated from God must be a great imperative for those who have fire and brimstone theologies but heaven and hell are valid and very real conditions in the progress of a Christian soul who sometimes has to live at the edge of despair or unbelief.The Theologia is a beautiful jewel of Apostolic literature in presenting how terms such as heaven/hell,light/darkness ect are alive with meaning for our daily existence and far from the imaginative and cartoon terms which externalise them in terms of rewards and punishment.
well, you certainly figured it out, and you must be amazingly smart to have fully researched it for about all of 5 minutes…!!!You may call that a miracle, I call that self-inflicted wounds in religious delusion. Then some stories were made up or exaggerated to sell that miracle to the public. And big business it is: padrepioshrine.com/Padre_Pio_Blessing_Oil.htm
Oh, wait, they don’t sell it, they ask for a donation…
The other obvious possibility is amazing gullibility on the other side. If you personally accept these miracles, how much research have you done to ascertain the veracity of them?
Self inflicted wounds don’t magically heal completely one day after death. The day he died they were still present, the next day they had completely disappeared. How do you explain them apples ??You may call that a miracle, I call that self-inflicted wounds in religious delusion. Then some stories were made up or exaggerated to sell that miracle to the public. And big business it is: padrepioshrine.com/Padre_Pio_Blessing_Oil.htm
Oh, wait, they don’t sell it, they ask for a donation…
And a great deal of selective perception. If someone bears stigmata, it’s a miracle. If someone bears the name of Allah on his chest, that is… coincidence, a fraud, nuts,…?
Alleged miracles must be accepted on faith?
And what would you think would happen if you said to your child…" go on son go do what you please as you please. because no matter what you do i will never punish you"? i think a lot of people would be discribbing your child as a monster as well. Anyway, doesn’t God do what all good parents do and accept their childs apology when the child realizes that he has done wrong?
What an extended analogy. If as a parent, you had perfect foreknowledge of every thought and action of your child and the power to change literally anything at will, be it the child’s environment or its thoughts, then what’s the point of punishment if not self-gratification?
Yes, it can. Quantum physics shows how.
Is that so? Then tell me your theory for how this supreme being began. Your answer is my answer (plus some modern cosmology).
No. Death is a part of life. Why should I worry about it?
Well, hope for what? I don’t have that feeling now, can’t say what happens at my death bed. I find the thought of a completely purposeless existence quite conformting, but I understand if that’s frightening you.
Please explain how the wounds suddenly disappeared ?
Don’t you need energy to create matter?
Yes, but E*t > h (uncertainty principle, h being the Planck constant, may have forgotten a 2pi somewhere, but that doesn’t matter for this argument), so if t (time) is near zero, the energy uncertainty can be anything.
The miracle is your claim, not mine. If you wish to convince me, it’s not up to me to show you wrong, but you have to show me that you are right.
no, it doesn’t. the quantum vacuum is not “nothing”.
i think we’ve been down this road before: god is necessary and thus didn’t begin to exist. the universe did begin to exist, and is thus in need of a cause of its existence.
if you personally reject miracles, how much research have you done to ensure that there is, in fact, a reasonable naturalistic explanation forthcoming?
which cosmological model are you referring to here? tryon’s vacuum fluctuation model? or linde’s chaotic inflationary model?
John, I won’t go around with you again.
Ok, lets assume, the universe did need a cause.