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LOL. The SDA is completely absent from most of the world, & most of the Christian past.
Protestants are indeed persecuted, as are Catholics, in various parts of the world: such as China. Even JWs & Muslims have more martyrs than the SDA movement. There is plenty of hatred of Catholics on the Net from SDAs - try here:
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Then you can’t be a follower of Jesus. What kind of a bible do you think Jesus had? He had the OT. The woman in Rev. 12 is standing on the OT (the rock of foundation) And clothed with the NT. What are we to use if not the OT for our foundation?
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hey brother robert, how do you put that picture on your posts. or rather how can i put a picture on mine? thanks in advance
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Dondas59
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Jesus is God the Son. what you are saying is a heresy.
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Bible_Christian
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And they are right…In the last days everyone on earth will have to make a choice, and they are: 1) To have the seal of God ( the 7th day sabbath) or 2) the mark of the beast.
Witch one do YOU want?
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Hi JohnPaul,
I think Fr Philips explains the catholic Church better than most I have heard:**
** Church is not Wal-Mart **
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[NB. Permission to repost/copy with proper attribution is given.]
- The Roman Catholic Church isn’t WalMart or Burger King; it’s the
Body of Christ.
employees; we are members of the Body of Christ.
3). The doctrine and dogma of the Catholic Church are not consumer
products that the Church’s employees sell to those who want them;
Catholic doctrine and dogma express the unchanging truth of the faith.
4). Life in a Catholic parish is not a trip to Disney Land or Target or McDonald’s where your consumer needs and whims are catered to by the whimpering clergy and lay staff; parish life is the life of Christ for the local Catholic family.
5). You do not come into the Catholic Church b/c you like the building
better than you like the Methodist chapel; or because the priest at the Catholic parish is cuter than the Baptist preacher; or because you heard that the homilies are shorter at St. Bubba’s by the Lake than they are at the Unitarian Church. You come into the Catholic Church because you believe that the Catholic faith is the truth of the gospel taught by Christ himself and given to his apostles.
6). Leaving the Catholic Church because a priest was mean to you, or
because sister whacked you with a ruler, or because the church secretary looked at you funny is as stupid as giving up on the truths of math because you hate your high school algebra teacher. Why would anyone let a crazy priest or a cranky nun or anyone else for the matter drive you out of the faith you believe is true? My only conclusion: you never thought it was true to begin with; or, you have a favorite sin the Church teaches against and crazy priests and cranky nuns is as good an excuse as any to leave and pursue your sin all the while feeling justified b/c Father and/or Sister are such jerks.
7). Anyone who comes in the Catholic Church thinking that they will find clouds of angels at Mass dressed as parishioners; hordes of perfect saints kneeling for communion; seminaries packed with angelic young men burning to be priests; a parish hall stacked to the ceiling with morally pure people eager to serve; and a priest without flaw or blemish, well, you’re cracked and you probably need to go back and try again. Telling Catholics that they aren’t perfect makes as much sense as telling fish they’re wet. We know already. Move on.
8). Of the hundreds of priests and religious I know, I know two whocould count as saints right now. The rest of us are deeply flawed, impure, struggling creatures who know all too well that we fail utterly to meet the basic standards of holiness. For that matter: so do you. Get in line.
9). The Catholic Church owes no one a revision of her doctrine or dogma. She didn’t change to save most of Europe from becoming Protestant, why would you imagine that she would change just to get you in one of her parishes?
10). If you want to become Catholic, do it. But do it because you think the Church teaches the true faith. If a cranky priest on a blogsite is enough to keep you from embracing the truth of the faith, then two things are painfully clear: 1) you do not believe the Church teaches the faith; 2) and you care more about expresssing your hurt consumer feelings than you do for your immortal soul.
Fr. Philip, OP**
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… All Sabbath keepers must choose to observe Sunday and not Sabbath. If they do not, they will not be able to “buy or sell” (Revelation 13:17).
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Hi Lysima,
You have the nerve to say that we are marked with the sign of the beast? How precious!So YOU would personally condemn us to eternal damnation for following Jesus and rejecting Satan and his cult’s teachings? How Godly of you!**
But Sabbath observers will not go against their consciences, so they will not obey a law they believe is against God.
**Satan would not allow it, we do understand that! His grip is firm!**
Eventually…this will lead to the death decree. The true Sabbath observers will be willing to die for their faith.
**Welcome, the real Christians have been dying for their faith for 2,000 years! **
… Now some of you are telling me this won’t happen. And as sincere as some of you Catholics in here may be, I just hope you’re right!
I just want your word that you will oppose such an act if it does happen! (even if you think it won’t happen).
Promise?
**My friend, Although I do not agree with your hateful remarks, Nor your cult’s false teachings or extremely weird beliefs, on my honor as a Catholic Gentleman and a Combat wounded, Disabled American Veteran, I herby pledge that I will willfully give up my life in defense of every person’s right to practice their individual religious beliefs. This I would do freely and withour any reservation! So help me God!
Everyone has a God given right to practice their personal religious beliefs, even if like your they might provide eternal damnation. But remember, we also have a God given right to defend our rights!
My sincere question to you, my SDA friend, is: “If” YOU had the “power” to “force” everyone to worship on Saturday would you do it?"
Christ founded His church 2000 years ago, not 500 years ago nor in 1863. At that time He assured that the gates of Hell could not prevail against His Church. Did Jesus lie when He said that?
Which one of the 61,000 counterfeit groups could now be the real church? Certainly not the SDA! Why it is a joke among even Protestants groups. It started with lies built upon lies and a false prophet’s imagination and unethical practices But, lets throw Ellen G. White over to the side, lets just throw her over on the side! [To Catholics: Don’t ask me.That is some kind of SDA chant or ritual. They never explained it to me! I do know that poor prophet White gets denied and thrown around all the time by them! ]
Before 1517AD there were only the Roman Catholic church and the Eastern Orthodox church. Together they still make up the Christian church established by Christ!. Both the RCC and the orthodox church have always taught doctrines such as prayer for the dead, prayers to saints, etc
Christ spent more than three years with His disciples and taught them; It is absurd that a loving Father would allow evil to take over His Church. That would mean that the gates of Hell had prevailed against His church, in contradiction with Christ’s promise. Since Christ has taught certain doctrines for over 1500 years, they can not be considered sinful nor void!.
Jesus gave Peter a special role in the Church. That role still exist it is the role of Peter’s successor, the Pope. This special role allows real Christians to identify the only true Body of Christ. There is a historical continuity between Peter and the present Pope.
Protestants foolishly think that their interpretations are inspired by the Holy Spirit. Being divided into 61,000 different groups and having developed 1,375 different interpretations of God’s teachings. whicn group is right? Since the Holy Spirit cannot contradicts Himself, it is evident that none of their interpretations canbe anything but be fallible human opinions.
In fact, when Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit, He was only speaking to the apostles, and not to the crowds.
"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak, and He will declare to you the things that are to come.” John 16 :12-13
It is illogical to use this verse to claim that Jesus has promised the Holy Spirit to everybody**, because He was speaking only to His apostles, united with Peter, whom Jesus gave the keys of the kingdom of heaven.
I believe that God loves all of us; it follows that God has not abandoned us to Satan and our fallible human interpretations and opinions.
Christ remained with His disciples for about three years and half and taught them all the necessary moral and spirital knowledges for our salvation, so that in their turn they could teach others, who in their turn could teach others, etc.
Protestants and cults like the SDA and Mornons can say that the Catholic church has become corrupted, But it that was so then Jesus would have been a liar, because He said that the gates of Hell could have not prevailed against His church.
The truth is that sinful men have been present in the church since the very beginning. But the church was never corrupted because its teachings were always True. They still are! Even Judas was sent by Jesus to teach the Gospel, to heal the sick, to cast demons [See Matt 10 :1-8] The fact that there were men within the church who commited grave sins, does not mean that the Church is corrupted. We are all sinners, every man is responsible of his own sins, but the Church is a divine institution and as such is above its human members and its doctrines are divine. It leader is Jesus Christ Himself!
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hi Dondas,
You ask “The whole church or one crack-pot”
Let me answer that one for you. One of the crack-pots. 
God Bless
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I dont know Bible Christian, maybe I should inform you something about these perculiar Catholics, we dont subscribe to fear preaching very well, so here’s the insight, Catholics dont fear God, our greatest fear is loosing God.
You may have gotten alot of our uninformed brothers and sisters out of the Catholic pews with this fear preaching stuff, but it aint working here.
As far as the mark that we Catholics recieved is the one Ezekiel speaks about is the “tau” which looks like a cross or “tee” we recieve at our baptism and at our confirmation. With this mark on our foreheads not even an angel can harm the children of God. Revelations 9:4
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or any tree,** but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. **
Now I am scared for you if you dont have the seal of God on your forehead which you receive at the sacraments of intitiation into the kingdom of God.
As far as the Sabbath day being the sign to save you, I think the Sabbath is to big to put on your forehead?
Besides in the Sabbath day God rested, but on Sunday he arose in Glory. This is the only day in creation that does not have an evening attached to it, praise be the lord Jesus Christ.
Peace be with you
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I dont know Bible Christian, maybe I should inform you something about these perculiar Catholics, we dont subscribe to fear preaching very well, so here’s the insight, Catholics dont fear God, our greatest fear is loosing God.
You may have gotten alot of our uninformed brothers and sisters out of the Catholic pews with this fear preaching stuff, but it aint working here.
As far as the mark that we Catholics recieved is the one Ezekiel speaks about is the “tau” which looks like a cross or “tee” we recieve at our baptism and at our confirmation. With this mark on our foreheads not even an angel can harm the children of God. Revelations 9:4
They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or any tree,** but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. **
Now I am scared for you if you dont have the seal of God on your forehead which you receive at the sacraments of intitiation into the kingdom of God.
As far as the Sabbath day being the sign to save you, I think the Sabbath is to big to put on your forehead?
Besides in the Sabbath day God rested, but on Sunday he arose in Glory. This is the only day in creation that does not have an evening attached to it, praise be the lord Jesus Christ.
Peace be with you
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Hi Gabriel,
VERY VERY WELL SAID! I salute you!
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Too bad Satan will cloud his mind to the truth of your words.
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Then you have Posters that send long PMs ranting about things that they should Post on the thread ,if they actually believed them. Very childish!
God Bless
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Dondas59
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If I qweren’t a Catholic I wouldn’t want to become one after reading your posts. Yur a disgrace.
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Realcatholicgk
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Hi Dondas,
**What a Christian thing to say!
I actually am not sure that you are a Catholic. You don’t seem to display love for your fellow man! ****We are all children of God, please attempt to show love. Being new, you may not realize that your remark is considered a “personal insult” and as such could get you barred from the site.try to be more careful. Try not to display any hate towards any person.You may not have read the TOS as required. Please do so! Being a Christian, I forgave you even before I read your personal insult, so no harm was done. Let me say in return that your attitude as a Catholic is a disgrace. There, we are even.
No harm done! 
****Don’t you know, SDAs are a cult founded on hate for Catholic beliefs? Notice I said hate of, not disagreement of them! They are not mainstream Protestants. They do not follow Jesus teachings! They follow the false teachings of Ellen G. White, which they will hide and say they don’t. But ask any SDA convert and they will tell you the truth. The SDAs will follow EGW’s writings before the truths contained in the bible. Did you realize that they just wrote two of their own bibles because they disagreed with the Protestant Bibles. How cut is that!:whacky: **
**Out of fear of judging others Catholics have also developed a fear of judging their actions. But, it is precisely their actions that must be judged! Of course, we are all sinners. But charity requires that we admonish the sinner, so as to guide him towards the path of righteousness. This is in no way to exalt ourselves, but to correct those whose actions are clearly wrong and will lead them towards eternal Damnation. **
**“If we see a neighbor in sin and do not admonish them, then we answer for their sin as well as ours” . Leviticus 19:17. I will not go to Hell for not informing Protestants and cult followers that they aren’t following Christ! As children of God they deserve salvation just like we do! **
Those who reject Christ’s stated path to salvation, the Catholic church, are clearly in sin. Now, if it is through ignorance, that can be corrected. In order to do so, We must inform them of the truth. It is every Catholic’s duty to profess the truth! It is the 7th precept of our church. You do know the preceopts don’t you? Our Protestant children of God deserve to become Christians just as we are!
**Scripture is clear that those who reject Christ are not on the path of righteousness. **
If you are not attending mass I recommed that you do so. If you are not taking advantage of the sacraments please do. If you are not praying very much please consider praying the rosary daily.
** God Bless**
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how about Jesus telling the pharisees the sabbath is made for man, not man for the sabbath? Jesus broke the sabbath and the pharisees hated him for that - then plotted to kill him. will you agree that those events were in the Scripture? and when Jesus resurrected on the third day, the apostles started breaking bread and worshiping on the the Lord’s day, w/c is the first day, w/c is Sunday. did the early Fathers and Christians not followed this Tradition w/c up to the present all Christians adhere to except the 7th day adventists. hear this - those early Christians knew what Jesus and the apostles had taught. but suddenly on the 19th century a “prophetess” in the name of mary white had a revelation
and Jesus’ teachings and what the apostles and early Christians learned from him were attacked because a prophetess had declared so
life is short but eternity is forever, so i’ll pray for you to see the Truth.God bless.
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Another evangelical leader that has lately expressed opposition to the Catholic faith is Dr. Norman Geisler. I happened to be listening to a local Christian radio program that had Dr. Geisler on the show. I was not surprised that the talk show host, a cradle Catholic later turned fundamentalist Christian pastor, expressed his vociferous opposition to Catholic faith, but I didn’t expect Dr. Geisler to take such a stand as he is normally ecumenically-minded.
It is very important that we pray for these leaders. It is also important that we approach them with kindness and with humility. It is not our duty to prosletyze them, but it is our responsibility to know how to articulate our Catholic faith well enough to engage in facilitative dialogue.
There is a podcast of the show available on line if any would like to listen to the show for themselves. You can put the words “Engaging Your World” in your favorite browser. Then click on the podcast link and select show for 02-03-09 Norm Geisler.
It is very important that we pray for these leaders. It is also important that we approach them with kindness and with humility. It is not our duty to prosletyze them, but it is our responsibility to know how to articulate our Catholic faith well enough to engage in facilitative dialogue.
There is a podcast of the show available on line if any would like to listen to the show for themselves. You can put the words “Engaging Your World” in your favorite browser. Then click on the podcast link and select show for 02-03-09 Norm Geisler.
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Thank you for your reply, Fr. John. Let me also express my deep gratitude to you for your many years of service and devotion to good catechesis. You are truly a blessing to many people.
Relative to my post above this distinction needs to be made. I am certainly in favor of evangelization, that is spreading the Good News of Jesus everywhere, in and through thoughts, words and deeds. What I do not embrace is what I would call “prosletyzing,” which I believe is the route Rev. Geisler and Pastor Tom have taken.
Should you listen to the broadcast of that particular program you will find that these men both seemingly adhere to a rigid interpretation of the Bible, especially where it can be manipulated to prove their pre-conceived biases against Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, or any group that asserts a belief in God but does not adhere to the doctrine of “faith alone, through grace alone, in Christ alone.” I reject this particular method that I call “prosletyzing” for I find it is insensitive, narrow-minded, and have observed that such an approach generally leads to more division and bitterness, rather than building bridges of understanding and ecumenical cooperation between people of faith.
Simply put, I prefer an approach that builds upon how God has been working, and is presently working in the lives of other people rather than one that boldly asserts that what I believe as a Catholic is exclusively the truth and regards all other belief systems as intrinsically deficient and blasphemous.
Relative to my post above this distinction needs to be made. I am certainly in favor of evangelization, that is spreading the Good News of Jesus everywhere, in and through thoughts, words and deeds. What I do not embrace is what I would call “prosletyzing,” which I believe is the route Rev. Geisler and Pastor Tom have taken.
Should you listen to the broadcast of that particular program you will find that these men both seemingly adhere to a rigid interpretation of the Bible, especially where it can be manipulated to prove their pre-conceived biases against Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, or any group that asserts a belief in God but does not adhere to the doctrine of “faith alone, through grace alone, in Christ alone.” I reject this particular method that I call “prosletyzing” for I find it is insensitive, narrow-minded, and have observed that such an approach generally leads to more division and bitterness, rather than building bridges of understanding and ecumenical cooperation between people of faith.
Simply put, I prefer an approach that builds upon how God has been working, and is presently working in the lives of other people rather than one that boldly asserts that what I believe as a Catholic is exclusively the truth and regards all other belief systems as intrinsically deficient and blasphemous.
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It’s not that hard to do. From the Catholic Answer forum home page, click on profile, then select edit signature. To add and image, click on the icon that looks like a mountain, and enter the URL of the image (it has to be an online image; if you want to use an image you have on your computer, you need to upload it to a website like Flickr or Photobucket). When you enter it, the picture should appear. Let me know if you have any more questions!
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