According to her interpretation and prophecies otherwise why not join any other sola scriptura denomination.Originally Posted by djconklin
Nope, I use the Bible and the Bible only.
History states otherwise.She never started a church.
There only lies once you disprove them.I’m not the one who has been caught posting lies found on the web.
Contradictions on the part of Ellen White you mean. Nope. Two different lists. The Bible critics have long lists of alleged contradicitons in Scripture. These are based on their naive, simplistic, wooden and literalistic reading of the Bible texts. Then there’s the list of alleged contradicions between EGW and the Bible–created the same way.That’s what the critics of the Bible claim when they post their lists of contradictions.[misspellings fixed]
Who redeemed you? The fact that there are three Gods in one says there is a need for such. You should think about remembering Him as he asked us to do. The Eucharist is the way to do that.I don’t recall ever saying such a thing. But, that is why the Bible has the OT and the NT.
It’s there, I took it from your post. The fact that the Bible has an Old Testament and a New Testament doesn’t mean there are two covenants or one for that matter. There are several covenants mentioned in the Bible but we are talking about the Everlasting Covenant made with the blood of Jesus Christ. You’ve skirted it well though. Kudos.
Jeremiah 31:33 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
I have done so repeatedly:
Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
**This is the Lord speaking to us as our Creator, not our Redeemer. We hadn’t yet been redeemed. It is true that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the same, but Christ the Redeemer had yet to complete the will of God the Father and therefore can’t be included in your assumption here. Which is the assumption that you worship Christ the Redeemer in the Sabbath. God never said as much. Christ never said as much. **
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
**It doesn’t matter. We can find the Sabbath in the Redeemer, but we cannot find the Redeemer in the Sabbath. It’s that simple. **
Here’s a new text for you:
Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.
Who is your Lord and your God? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The same as your God. Who created you? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The same as your creator. You correctly stated it in an earlier post today.
It happens!Whoops, didn’t mean to copy this twice!
By the way, you never answered my question, are you a VEGETARIAN and/or VEGGAN?Could you give us the quote from EGW that says that? Then I’ll know who is the liar.
[/quote]Again the SDA church does not base it teachings on EGW.
**Okay, here’s where I get confused. If the SDA church does not base its teachings on EGW, then WHY is she part of your Fundemental Beliefs AND you look to her as a guide on how to “keep the Sabbath”. It’s on the conference website. You absolutely do. **
How many Protestant churches baptizise by immersion?
How many Protestant churches teach their people to keep the Sabbath?
How many Protestant churches teach their people the biblical principle of tithing?
How many do all three?
Only if you call lies, history.
If you wnatto read a lie about history try reading “The Real Lincoln” which was recommended to me by a Catholic on this forum.
[Which i have done.
Nope. Two different lists. The Bible critics have long lists of alleged contradicitons in Scripture. These are based on their naive, simplistic, wooden and literalistic reading of the Bible texts. Then there’s the list of alleged contradicions between EGW and the Bible–created the same way.
It’s there, I took it from your post.Originally Posted by djconklin
I don’t recall ever saying such a thing. But, that is why the Bible has the OT and the NT.
The words “testament” and “covenant” are interchangeable.The fact that the Bible has an Old Testament and a New Testament doesn’t mean there are two covenants or one for that matter.
I’ve never skirted anything here.You’ve skirted it well though.
He is both.Jeremiah 31:33 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.I have done so repeatedly:Ezekiel 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.Exodus 20:8-11 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.[This is the Lord speaking to us as our Creator, not our Redeemer.Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Correct.We hadn’t yet been redeemed.
I haven’t made any assumption.It is true that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the same, but Christ the Redeemer had yet to complete the will of God the Father and therefore can’t be included in your assumption here.
Neither did I.Which is the assumption that you worship Christ the Redeemer in the Sabbath. God never said as much. Christ never said as much.
Here’s a new text for you:Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.Who is your Lord and your God? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The same as your God. Who created you? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The same as your creator. You correctly stated it in an earlier post today.
Okay, here’s where I get confused. If the SDA church does not base its teachings on EGW, then WHY is she part of your Fundemental Beliefs AND you look to her as a guide on how to “keep the Sabbath”. It’s on the conference website. You absolutely do.Again the SDA church does not base it teachings on EGW.
Ellen G. White Estate**Actually I’ll give you the website, the quote and the reference:
In 1869 Mrs. White wrote:
"I have not changed my course a particle since I adopted the health reform. I have not taken one step back since the light from heaven upon this subject first shone upon my pathway. I broke away from everything at once, from meat and butter, and from three meals. …I left off those things from principle. I took my stand on health reform from principle."4
Taken from: ellenwhiteexposed.com/contra6.htm**
- E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 2, pp. 371-372.
By the way, you never answered my question, are you a VEGETARIAN and/or VEGGAN?Originally Posted by djconklin
Could you give us the quote from EGW that says that? Then I’ll know who is the liar.
Alleged contradictions!!!, have you read these so-called “alleged” contradictions there are more than 50 of them. I posted only a few.Again the SDA church does not base it teachings on EGW.
Are you a vegetarian and/or veggan, and who introduced this into SDA teachings?
Only if you call lies, history.
No, I call “herstory” lies.
Nope. Two different lists. The Bible critics have long lists of alleged contradicitons in Scripture. These are based on their naive, simplistic, wooden and literalistic reading of the Bible texts. Then there’s the list of alleged contradicions between EGW and the Bible–created the same way.
Well, I’m sorry but if you want the laws that tell you how to properly keep the Sabbath which was the subject of the question, then you’ll have to either:Originally Posted by djconklin
Nice try. I didn’t say anything about the 613; I asked for biblical texts.
1.) Look at the website I gave you.
2.) Look at the Torah.
3.) Ask a Jew.
Oh sorry, djconklin, I missed this one. So what do you eat?Neither. I had stomach surgery back in 1985 for ulcers and I have found that I can’t eat fruits and vegetables straight–too much acid–even in lettuce and bananas of all things!
Are you a vegetarian and/or veggan, and who introduced this into SDA teachings?Originally Posted by djconklin
Again the SDA church does not base it teachings on EGW.
No, I call “herstory” lies.Only if you call lies, history.
Alleged contradictions!!!, have you read these so-called “alleged” contradictions there are more than 50 of them. I posted only a few.Nope. Two different lists. The Bible critics have long lists of alleged contradicitons in Scripture. These are based on their naive, simplistic, wooden and literalistic reading of the Bible texts. Then there’s the list of alleged contradictions between EGW and the Bible–created the same way.
And for someone who allegedly interprets from scripture itself, you are quick to defend EGW, I wonder why?
Quote:
Originally Posted by josie L
Actually I’ll give you the website, the quote and the reference:In 1869 Mrs. White wrote:"I have not changed my course a particle since I adopted the health reform. I have not taken one step back since the light from heaven upon this subject first shone upon my pathway. I broke away from everything at once, from meat and butter, and from three meals. …I left off those things from principle. I took my stand on health reform from principle."4
- E.G. White, Testimonies, Vol. 2, pp. 371-372.
Ellen G. White EstateTaken from: ellenwhiteexposed.com/contra6.htm
Counsels on Diet and Foods (1938), page 405, paragraph 2
Chapter Title: Flesh Meats (Proteins Continued)
PROGRESSIVE DIETETIC REFORM IN
SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST INSTITUTIONS
[NOTE: IT IS A MATTER OF HISTORICAL RECORD THAT SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST HEALTH INSTITUTIONS IN THEIR EARLY DAYS SERVED FLESH MEAT IN A GREATER OR LESSER DEGREE TO PATIENTS AND HELPERS. THE REFORM IN THIS PHASE OF HEALTHFUL LIVING WAS PROGRESSIVE. IN THE OLDER INSTITUTIONS, AFTER A LONG STRUGGLE, FLESH MEAT WAS EVENTUALLY DISCARDED FROM ALL TABLES. IN THE CASE OF THE BATTLE CREEK SANITARIUM THIS STEP WAS TAKEN IN 1898, LARGELY IN RESPONSE TO COUNSEL FROM MRS. WHITE’S PEN APPEARING IN THIS CHAPTER (722). AT THE ST. HELENA SANITARIUM THE CHANGE TOOK PLACE IN 1903. BY THIS TIME EDUCATION IN THE MATTER OF A NONFLESH DIET HAD SPREAD WIDELY, AND FLESH WAS LEFT OUT OF THE DIETARY OF THE GUESTS WITH LESS DIFFICULTY THAN IF IT HAD BEEN EXCLUDED AT AN EARLIER DATE. IT WAS A JOY TO THE MANAGERS OF THE OLDER INSTITUTIONS TO KNOW THAT IN THE NEW PLANTS OPENED AT ABOUT THIS TIME, FLESH FOOD WAS NOT SERVED TO THE PATIENTS.
http://www.egwtext.whiteestate.org/c...47040110908619
You have not dealt with the “lies” as well as you think have.The first question was answered back in post #840. The second, I’m not sure, but if it isn’t in the Bible we don’t care.
So shouldn’t you find out? EGW seemed to be convinced that eating animal products/meat was bad, according to her “prophecies” anyways.
You can call it anything you wnat; but, without proof it is still a lie.
Not following you here, if not for her “prophecies” the SDA’s would cease to exist.
The word “alleged” is used in refernce to the list of alleged contradictions that Bible critics post on the web. As for EGW, yes there’s a list of over 53 that have been shot down so far, some of which you posted.
I have seen some of the apologetics used by the SDA’s to explain away those contradictions, they have in no way been shot down. Go to the website I have posted to see what I mean.
Not according to EGW who seems to accord her prophecies as truly derived from God, and thus equal to what was written in the Bible.
- EGW and the Bible are two different things.
Me too, especially if it involves an anti-catholic prophet and/or institution.
- I happen to like defence. I can deal with any and all attacks.
Ditto.
- Defence is easier and in this case I have the truth on my side.
Yes, very challenging.
- Its fun.
- I gain more material for my list of whoppers told about EGW that I’m posting on my web site.
Nope.Ah! there’s the misconception and why Islam accusses us of worshipping 3 Gods. There is only one God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.
"Now this is the catholic faith:
That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons nor dividing their essence. For the person of the Father is a distinct person, the person of the Son is another, and that of the Holy Spirit still another. But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, their glory equal, their majesty
coeternal."
Which is exactly what I said. You are grasping.
found at aboutcatholics.com/faith_beliefs/athanasian_creed/
Still haven’t learned how to use the quote command?!?
Below is your link to Doug Bachelors so-called seminars…AgainIn this case yes.
And yet when i ask where he said this I get no specific link, why?
That’s one of teh claims people have made. I’m showing that informed people have corrected it. Sorry for confusing you with too many facts.
Except I don’t twist the truth. have you found the evidence yet that I twisted Scripture on Col. 2:16-17 as you claimed, or do you wish to eat that lie?
Not following you here, if not for her “prophecies” the SDA’s would cease to exist.You can call it anything you want; but, without proof it is still a lie.
I have seen some of the apologetics used by the SDA’s to explain away those contradictions, they have in no way been shot down. Go to the website I have posted to see what I mean.The word “alleged” is used in reference to the list of alleged contradictions that Bible critics post on the web. As for EGW, yes there’s a list of over 53 that have been shot down so far, some of which you posted.
Not according to EGW who seems to accord her prophecies as truly derived from God, and thus equal to what was written in the Bible.
- EGW and the Bible are two different things.
Me too, especially if it involves an anti-catholic prophet and/or institution.
- I happen to like defence. I can deal with any and all attacks.
Ditto.
- Defence is easier and in this case I have the truth on my side.
You have not dealt with the “lies” as well as you think have.
- I gain more material for my list of whoppers told about EGW that I’m posting on my web site.
Hi Sabbath Keeper,
Well yes, there is a big distinction to be sure. God did not choose Ellen White to be His Mother when He became a man at the Incarnation.
But why give flowers to a dead woman who believed that she wouldn’t even know about it?
God bless all!!!
Right here sweetie:Who told you that Ellen G. White is named on the web site as on our fundamental beliefs on how to keep the Sabbath?
Here’s is what it says (you could have quoted it just as well as I can):
“20. Sabbath:
The beneficent Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom. The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Ex. 20:8-11; Luke 4:16; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Matt. 12:1-12; Ex. 31:13-17; Eze. 20:12, 20; Deut. 5:12-15; Heb. 4:1-11; Lev. 23:32; Mark 1:32.)” found at adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html
See? No Ellen White.