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djconklin
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ROFL! In other words I’m supposed to search an entire web site to find the outraguoes remarks you claimed he made! You can’t point to a specific web page.
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josie_L
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No, djconklin, you completely misunderstood the post. EGW received the 'prophecies" of not eating meat/animal products way before it was established as doctrine or seriously put into practice, if as EGW stated it was seriously harmful to the soul to eat meat as per her “prophecies”, why did they wait so long to put it into effect? Wouldn’t they put their souls at risk by waiting?
I would be establishing God’s truth into practice right quick if I knew he was telling me to do something, just a thought.
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djconklin
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Hmm, what part of “guidelines” was too hard to comprehend? Also it isn’t part of our fundamental beliefs. Finally, there’s no proof that anything in it supports the claim that we keep the Sabbath differently than what the Bible commands. And it didn’t come out till 1990.
Having a tough time being civlil?
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djconklin
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Hmmm,
Patrick wrote: “I guess it takes a while for “the truth” to come out, get established, and put into practice.”
I don’t find that too hard to understand. Patrick understands, why can’t you?
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josie_L
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Alright! Another one for my list!
I have seen it–this site answers their claims: whiteestate.org/issues/contradictions.html
They have not been shot down not by a long shot.
Neither SDA’s, nor EGW, believe that her writings are equal to what was written in the Bible–where’d you get that lie from?
It’s listed at the beginning of my post concerning her “prophecies” about meat/animal products.
If the SDA church was so “anti-catholic” then why would pastors tell the congragants that there will be more Catholics in heaven than SDA’s? That is one of the chief whoppers Catholics have ben told and tell about us.
Because quantitatively, Catholics have been around longer than SDAs and/or Protestants have been. So what else do you take this to mean?
That’s a hoot–you used a web site that lied to you.
And you follow the “prophecies” and “prophet” who lied to you.
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Verisimilitude
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Just because you like going down rabbit holes doesn’t mean others should follow.
I see you miss the point of both Scripture references; the one I gave you and the one you give me.
Maybe Matthew 18:1-6 will make a dent in your misunderstanding:
These stumbling blocks you keep placing on the path as reasons to divert people from the only legitimate authority to make such determinations are merely observed, not judged by me since I sidestep them without any trouble. Others however may believe you, and your Luke reference is now applicable to yourself for what you are giving here. Maybe you could look once again at my first Scripture reference in light of this understanding.
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happilycatholic
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I love this one too:
Sabbath keepers may have to face resistance at times because of their commitment to God to keep the Sabbath holy. To those who do not recognize God as their Creator, it seems arbitrary or inexplicable for someone to cease from all work on the Sabbath day for merely religious reasons. Meaningful Sabbath observance testifies to the fact that we have chosen to obey God’s commandment. We thus recognize that our life is now lived in obedience to God’s Word. The Sabbath will be a special test in the end time. The believer will have to make a choice either to give allegiance to God’s Word or to human authority (Rev 14:7, 12).
I love the inference that if you are not SDA, you don’t recognize God as your creator. Hence the rhetoric that is repeated over, and over, and over, and over here by certain folks.
Truth is, SDAs don’t recognize Christ their Redeemer. There’s nothing inherently wrong about worshipping or resting on the Sabbath, but I find it telling that this particular church condemns so many people and they are perfectly okay with passing judgement on the world outside the SDA faith.
I just want to point out how that is EXACTLY what the Jews did. They thought they were being just as obedient to God as the SDAs do now.
Sabbath keepers may have to face resistance at times because of their commitment to God to keep the Sabbath holy. To those who do not recognize God as their Creator, it seems arbitrary or inexplicable for someone to cease from all work on the Sabbath day for merely religious reasons. Meaningful Sabbath observance testifies to the fact that we have chosen to obey God’s commandment. We thus recognize that our life is now lived in obedience to God’s Word. The Sabbath will be a special test in the end time. The believer will have to make a choice either to give allegiance to God’s Word or to human authority (Rev 14:7, 12).
I love the inference that if you are not SDA, you don’t recognize God as your creator. Hence the rhetoric that is repeated over, and over, and over, and over here by certain folks.
Truth is, SDAs don’t recognize Christ their Redeemer. There’s nothing inherently wrong about worshipping or resting on the Sabbath, but I find it telling that this particular church condemns so many people and they are perfectly okay with passing judgement on the world outside the SDA faith.
I just want to point out how that is EXACTLY what the Jews did. They thought they were being just as obedient to God as the SDAs do now.
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Patrick_Murebil
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On the fundamental beliefs section you are correct.
But under the **“Guidelines for Sabbath Observance” **the website goes into great detail on how to observe the sabbath referencing Ellen White, along with the Bible, on how to observe the sabbath:
- **“The Scriptures and the Spirit of Prophecy are explicit about our duties as Christians to our fellowman, even on the Sabbath day.” **
- "The Church can assist by providing Sabbath keeping principles as found in the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy, but it cannot be conscience for the members."
- "6) Sabbath and the Authority of God’s Word. Ellen White points out that the Sabbath commandment is unique, for it contains the seal of God’s law. It alone “brings to view both the name and title of the Lawgiver. It declares Him to be the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and thus shows His claim to reverence and worship above all others. Aside from this precept, there is nothing in the Decalogue to show by whose authority the law is given.”–The Great Controversy, p 452."
- "The law forbids secular labor on the rest day of the Lord; the toil that gains a livelihood must cease; no labor for worldly pleasure or profit is lawful upon that day; but as God ceased His labor of creating, and rested upon the Sabbath and blessed it, so man is to leave the occupations of his daily life, and devote those sacred hours to healthful rest, to worship, and to holy deeds."–The Desire of Ages, p 207
- "The Sabbath encompasses our entire relationship with God. It is an indication of God’s action on our behalf in the past, present, and future. The Sabbath protects man’s friendship with God and provides the time essential for the development of that relationship. The Sabbath clarifies the relationship between God and the human family, for it points to God as Creator at a time when human beings would like to usurp God’s position in the universe."
It can all be found here:
adventist.org/beliefs/other_documents/other_doc6.html
God bless all!!!
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djconklin
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According to whom? According to what standard?
Ah! the web site that lied to you, eh?
Not quantity. If you had been in an SDA church you would have found that out. It means that Catholics are living up to the light they know; too many SDA’s aren’t.
Whoever told you that one, lied to you–that’s one reason why I can’t become a Catholic, far too many lies are being told and believed; too many people don’t check to see if it is so. I don’t use her writing at all for theology.
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greggy53
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It’s not so hard to find. Click the TV tab, and you’ll see Doug Batchelor’s smilling face. The semiars are right there…I don’t care if you watch them or not, You obvioulsy have been indoctrinated already. You asked for the link and it’s there, stop obfuscating.
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djconklin
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Mixing apples and oranges. You know what greggy says about bait-and-switch.
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djconklin
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Ah! But which seminar?!? Don’t you know which one?
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Patrick_Murebil
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Thanks!!! And you keep trying my dear, and maybe soon you will get one right too!!!
God bless all!!!
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djconklin
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Listen Alice, if you can’t deal with the point, don’t prove it.
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josie_L
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Oh the self-righteous anger, when it is your institution that dares to label the CC the “whore of Babylon.” Truly I sympathize.
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Patrick_Murebil
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You make me smile David!!!
I think that what you understand and what I understand about what is said are two different things…but I like the way you played that one!!!
And now I would like to confess to everyone that djconklin and patrick murebil are one in the same person merely trying to spark dialog on the forums. I am he and he is me!!
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josie_L
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Thanks!!! And you keep trying my dear, and maybe soon you will get one right too!!!
God bless all!!!
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Patrick_Murebil
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**Not really…
Happy April Fool’s Day!!!**
I thought that was funny though…we really are two different people.
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Verisimilitude
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The point is not what you think.
Do you think other groups have taken the place of scribes and the Pharisees over time? I do. The chair of Moses (legitimate authority) has been given to the seat of Peter according to the Scripture you seem so fond of wanting support from but can’t seem to find.
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andrea3710
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I will try to give you something little about that for I personally have experience in health reform.First meat eating is not a doctrine in SDA church and Bible does not say we should not eat meat,actually many SDA’s still eat meat. I was meat eater till I was 14 y.o. Until that time I had health problems…When I was about that age I started reading books of E.White especially those on health. When I read her suggestion that in the last days meat and animal products are not going to be suitable for eating I stopped with eating meat. Since then I did not eat any meat. My health got better and I grew stronger. I was aerobic instructor,spent more than four hours in the gym working out without any pause and later I would go and jog for 8 kilometers. Now I work as a nurse with patients who have cancer. I do not remember there was as much cancer when I was a child but now I have not only old people die but very young. I try to give them suggestions on how they should live,what they should eat and that they should stop to eat meat and animal products. Today meat,eggs and milk are not suitable for eating…During the time E.White was alive it was not so harmful but today it is. First I know one man who said he would never eat meat of his animals…They feed animals with hormones,antibiotics and food that consist bones of dead animals…Fish,milk,meat contain the most dangerous substance-Dioxin.
I heard on our local TV news that our fish in the Adriatic sea had some dioxin in it but scientist said that still the fish can be eaten for the amount of dioxin is insignificant,but they do not say that it accumulates in the body. Antibiotics too stay in our livers from 6 to 12 years. Hormones…I do not have to mention what they do to you.
That is why we have so much breast cancer even in men-mostly related to hormonal changes in the body. Antibiotics-more and more people do not react on antibiotics because they use them too much in the meat they eat and when doctors prescribe them. That is why we have so many allergies today…My friend’s daughters who live in Holland,when they were 7 years old they had breasts of grown up women-due to the milk they used in their meals. One patient who has cancer stopped eating meat and follows given instructions,her blood is OK and her tumor markers have fallen…My colleague aunt cured her bone cancer without any chemotherapy. Bone cancers are almost impossible to cure with modern medicine…sooner or later they all die.
So,during the times of E.White meat eating was not so harmful but she warned that the time will come when it is not going to be good for food. If you have any other contrary statements given by E.White be kind to share with the name of the book and page so I could check it out myself. National Geographic wrote a big article and it was also on TV that SDA’s are the ones who live long and are healthy.ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0511/feature1/learn.html
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