Doug Batchelor: His Catholic Church Attacks

[josie_L]

Well you made the statement that we are probably not happy people so I was just telling you that you got it wrong.

**I never stated that all SDAs were unhappy, I stated that being healthy does not necessarily mean you are happy. Your psychological and mental/spiritual health is also important. So I am now telling YOU that you got it wrong. **

Besides that, not caring for your neighbor when you should pray even for your enemies,is not a Christian spirit and in your previous post you say that you are led by the Holy Spirit?

Your attitude thus far has been less than Christian, in fact, you have no right to be telling me to care for my neighbours as you have insulted every priest with your constant insinuations/statements of pedophilia, even stating to me that you would not want to be Catholic because you would not want them “touching your child.” Take out the log in your eye before you ask me to take out the speck in mine. Hypocrite.

ther blind statement,I eat what I want.Not eating meat is my personal decision. Actually I am about to became total vegan because of my health not because of E.White. But do please continue for this is amusing. Talking so much about E.White does not bother me for my faith is based on the ROCK Jesus Christ not on E.White. She is dead,she had very good ideas and gave pointers to many aspects of living but she is not venerated in my church. You got nothing else to talk about but E.White.Why do not you talk about the end days and your theology of last days.What the beast means,three angel’s message because I do not hear your church warn people about Babylon.So teach us !

**Your faith is based on the prophecies of EGW. Hence, the reason you are SDA. **

You would ban me for telling the truth? That tells me enough already.

Truth is relative in your case. Get a grip on reality.

Probably we should ban all the newspapers and media for talking about immorality in the church. The priests who abused children should be immediately excommunicated instead things are being covered up.Church now admits their big problem and sexual immorality among their ranks after it all has been esxposed,and it is not people like you (who would readily ban the ones who talk about it) who exposed them but the very victims.
I gave you links in my previous posts. If you ban something it does not mean it will not come out.There are still some honest people left. Because of those who are throwing things under the carpet we have all this evil around us-I condemn such behavior in any church or social group not only Catholic church and it angers me when I see that things like that are being covered up.
religioustolerance.org/clergy_sex8.htm
jesus-is-lord.com/sexabus3.htm#Links
jesus-is-lord.com/sexabus6.htm
blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/02/the-gay-priest-problem-1.html

**Do you know what, I am going to go on a fact finding mission, I will find every nasty and horrible thing written about the SDA church, and post it for the delictation of all. **

You are than better than anyone,just show an example to everyone and continue doing so. Jesus does not need you to do that,He needs your heart that many are not willing to give,they rather torture their bodies.

I don’t actually walk on my head while praying with my feet, this was an attempt at humour and well, sarcasm.

It shows us the respect you have for God when you jokingly use God and His blessing for Anti-Christ. It does not matter what you meant with your statement ( I know very well what you meant) but shows that you have not filter in your mind and you are reckless with using of God’s name.

**You see, andrea, I was actually serious about God blessing the CC and the Pope, I added the “anti christ” for your benefit. **

 

[andrea3710]

**You see, andrea, I was actually serious about God blessing the CC and the Pope, I added the “anti christ” for your benefit. **

My Dear I would never ask for any blessings of God for the Antichrist. This are totally your words you can have them and you can and will answer to God for them.

 

[josie_L]

The Life of Ellen White by D.M. Canright

Chapter 2 - The Great Denominational Test

“Seventh-day Adventists have no creed but the Bible.” This statement is made over and over again in their publications intended for public distribution.

Likewise they say: “The Bible is its own expositor.” “One text explains another.”

This all sounds well, but upon examination both statements are shown to be false.

In the first place, Seventh-day Adventists have a creed, the same as do other denominations, and have published this ever since 1872. They call it the “Fundamental Principles of Seventh-day Adventists.” It’s opening words are: “Seventh-day Adventists have no creed but the Bible; but they hold to certain well-defined points of faith.” And then they are once proceed to define these “points of faith.” What is this but a creed? Webster defines creed as “an authoritative summary or formula of those articles of Christian faith which are considered essential.”

Opening the disciplines of the various orthodox churches, such as Methodists, Baptists and Presbyterians, we find each beginning its articles of faith thus: “We believe.” Then follows what they believe. Adventists say that all these churches have a creed, but they themselves have no creed. But their “Fundamental Principles” begin in the same way, thus: “They believe;” and then follow their twenty-nine articles of faith, telling what they believe. Hence, for them to say they have no creed, but other churches have, is a deception.

But the worst feature about this creed is that it does not contain their chief article of faith - that which they regard as the greatest essential of all. Strange as it may seem, this is omitted. Their greatest deception in this matter is not in having a formulated creed when they say they have no creed, but in failing to insert in their formulated creed the one paramount article of their faith.

The third article of their published creed says they hold:

“That the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament were given by inspiration of God, contain a full revelation of His will to man, and are the only infallible rule of faith and practice.”
This again sounds well; but it is false, absolutely false. Seventh-day Adventists do not believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments contain the full revelation of God’s will to man, neither do they take these Scriptures as their “only infallible rule of faith and practice,” for they hold that the writings of their prophetess, Mrs. E.G. White, are also given by inspiration of God; that these writings contain a fuller revelation of God’s will to man, and that they are infallible. And, what is more, they make faith in these writings a test of faith and fellowship in their church. All this is susceptible of the clearest proof.

Over and over Mrs. White claimed her writings to be inspired of God, and placed them on a level with the Bible. She says:

“I took the precious Bible, and surrounded it with the several Testimonies for the Church, given for the people of God. Here, said I, the cases of nearly all are met”(Testimonies, Vol. 2, p. 605; Vol. 5, p. 664).
According to 2 Tim. 3:16,17, the Bible alone is a sufficient guide to heaven, thoroughly furnishing the man of God unto all good works. But Mrs. White adds her writings to the Bible; surrounds it with them, in fact. With the two thus placed together, she says “the cases of nearly all are met.” The Bible alone, therefore, must be better; for that meets the cases of all.

The claim of infallibility was set up for Mrs. White’s writings in 1911. In that year they declared her writings to be “the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles” (The Mark of the Beast, by G.A. Irwin, p. 1).

With them, therefore, the Bible is not their only creed, it is not its own expositor, neither is it their only infallible rule of faith and practice. On the contrary, faith in Mrs. White and her writings is the great thing - the chief, but unpublished, article of faith. It is not an uncommon thing to hear their older members say, “If I gave up faith in Mrs. White, I would give up everything.” This shows that everything in this church is built on her. To disbelieve in her is the greatest of heresies, and at once brands one as an apostate. Before uniting with the church one hears little or nothing about Mrs. White; but, after uniting, one hears her quoted constantly as authority upon everything - doctrine, diet, dress and discipline.

 

[josie_L]

My Dear I would never ask for any blessings of God for the Antichrist. This are totally your words you can have them and you can and will answer to God for them.

My dear, I am well aware that the Pope is not the antichrist, hence, when I said “God bless the Pope” I meant it, the last bit was meant to MOCK you as I know that you think that he is.

 

[andrea3710]

I never stated that all SDAs were unhappy, I stated that being healthy does not necessarily mean you are happy. Your psychological and mental/spiritual health is also important. So I am now telling YOU that you got it wrong.

Actually you are because me being an SDA I am all that,happy in every possible way. We are happy people,what can I say

Your attitude thus far has been less than Christian, in fact, you have no right to be telling me to care for my neighbours as you have insulted every priest with your constant insinuations/statements of pedophilia, even stating to me that you would not want to be Catholic because you would not want them “touching your child.” Take out the log in your eye before you ask me to take out the speck in mine. Hypocrite.

HA,HA,HA…this is your response?! I did not report those news I gave you links to. I insulted priests? And priests never insulted anyone? Poor priests and bad and evil those victims,how dare they say anything,they should let be abused and be quiet about it. They will go to hell for coming out with this accusations. Is this better? You who do not talk about that abuse and come at me like that who calls evil a true name,you either wink at it or you condemn it so what that does make you?
As one of people here said you are one ,family,then it makes you one of them or you are not one of them,which one is it,answer it to yourself. Me, calling evil its true name makes me Christian.

even stating to me that you would not want to be Catholic because you would not want them “touching your child.” Take out the log in your eye before you ask me to take out the speck in mine. Hypocrite.

Take a log out of my eye? I haven’t started abusing anyone yet, are you that desperate for words already? Believe me or not I still pray for those priests to understand the evil they committed and understand God better.I tend to see that people twist my words: I said :I do not want to worry which priest lacks a female touch so he will “touch” my child. There is a difference,and a big one,do you see it? In a word “WHICH” so this means that I do not think they are all abusers (yet those who are not and knew about it are as much guilty) Do you understand that ? So please don’t like some of your brothers in doctrine give a false statement about what I said.

 

[andrea3710]

My dear, I am well aware that the Pope is not the antichrist, hence, when I said “God bless the Pope” I meant it, the last bit was meant to MOCK you as I know that you think that he is.

I know what you meant from the beginning and I wrote you right away that I did still what I AM TELLING YOU ,you do not get,that you use your words recklessly in your statements. Were you mocking me or not, you gave your statement in a reckless way,I know you mocked me you do not have to confess to me,confess to God and be careful in your future statements.I do not care if you mock me but I do not like careless speech when it comes to God.

 

[happilycatholic]

Yes you can but you were asked not to for this is not between you and me and if I am not mistaken you said you will not have any discussions with me. Was that you who said that or not so please keep your promise.

I changed my mind

 

[andrea3710]

Your faith is based on the prophecies of EGW. Hence, the reason you are SDA.

If you want to discuss what I am and if you know better than I do what I am then we should maybe discuss what you are. Maybe you are responsible for evil doings of popes in the past. You were responsible for blessings of killing so many gypsies and Jewish people during II. World War. Some of your church leaders were involved in such evil things.

Truth is relative in your case. Get a grip on reality.

Get a grip on reality? This is reality. Have you been sleeping? Few months ago they jailed a priest abuser in my country the other one was killed for he was having an affair with a woman of some other man. This is wonderful statement. Do you have some more as such. But having nothing smart to say on that you will post some more on Ellen White then I will post some more on priests and abuses in the church,and violent popes of the past,is not that boring…

Do you know what, I am going to go on a fact finding mission, I will find every nasty and horrible thing written about the SDA church, and post it for the delictation of all.

Be my guest,I will search for that too.And do you know what? Even if you find something it cannot hurt me nor boil my blood for unlike you I am not one with SDA church like your doctrine brothers and sisters say they are family and one with Catholic church,You will NEVER find anything against Christ church-I bet you do not even understand what I am talking about. I am responsible for my actions and not for actions of others and if I see evil in any person I condemn it and call evil its name and do not cover it up or protect it…Are you still eager to do it? I can help you…there was one pastor who was watching pornography on a church computer,he came out with it in front of all the church. He is not a pastor anymore. You will probably run to gay SDA church but I will have to blow your bubble they do not belong to our church. I know a boy in church who did drugs…there are many who divorce and remarry even commit adultery…Please when you find more do share…You will make Pope proud of it and your church.

 

[andrea3710]

I don’t actually walk on my head while praying with my feet, this was an attempt at humour and well, sarcasm.

Ahaaa,really? Well maybe you can really do it if you practice so a lie would not be a lie.

 

[andrea3710]

I changed my mind

I knew you would.

 

[happilycatholic]

This is very telling:

“I haven’t started abusing anyone yet”

 

[andrea3710]

This is very telling:

“I haven’t started abusing anyone yet”

You have something on me?

 

[happilycatholic]

If you want to discuss what I am and if you know better than I do what I am then we should maybe discuss what you are. Maybe you are responsible for evil doings of popes in the past. You were responsible for blessings of killing so many gypsies and Jewish people during II. World War. Some of your church leaders were involved in such evil things.

Get a grip on reality? This is reality. Have you been sleeping? Few months ago they jailed a priest abuser in my country the other one was killed for he was having an affair with a woman of some other man. This is wonderful statement. Do you have some more as such. But having nothing smart to say on that you will post some more on Ellen White then I will post some more on priests and abuses in the church,and violent popes of the past,is not that boring…

Be my guest,I will search for that too.And do you know what? Even if you find something it cannot hurt me nor boil my blood for unlike you I am not one with SDA church like your doctrine brothers and sisters say they are family and one with Catholic church,You will NEVER find anything against Christ church-I bet you do not even understand what I am talking about. I am responsible for my actions and not for actions of others and if I see evil in any person I condemn it and call evil its name and do not cover it up or protect it…Are you still eager to do it? I can help you…there was one pastor who was watching pornography on a church computer,he came out with it in front of all the church. He is not a pastor anymore. You will probably run to gay SDA church but I will have to blow your bubble they do not belong to our church. I know a boy in church who did drugs…there are many who divorce and remarry even commit adultery…Please when you find more do share…You will make Pope proud of it and your church.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone…

 

[Patrick_Murebil]

I,m canfused is this thread about Doug Batchelor:,Mary or sunday worship.

Hi Bill,

This thread is about “Doug Batchelor: His Catholic Church Attacks”. You can go to the Amazing Facts website (Batchelor’s ministry) and read their articles and view their videos, and you will read and see the same things that have been posted on this thread by various SDAs. If you’ve seen one…you’ve seen them all.

So you are not confused…but it can be confusing…as is plainly evident on this thread. Mary, Sunday, Catholics, Popes, anit-christs, pagan ceremonies is all part of the message presented by the Seventh-day Adventist church and Doug Batchelor who is a member of that church.

It is an interesting story that revolves around 15-20 Bible verses for each of 28 or so “fundamental beliefs” adhered to and taught by the SDA church. The story, which weaves these selected Bible verses together, was written by Ellen Gould White and can be very convincing as evidenced by the growth of their church since its beginning about 150 years ago.

They deeply and sincerely believe that they have God’s message for the world to prepare the world for the second coming of Jesus. The deeply and sincerely believe that God has selected them to bring His truth to a world mired in deception, primarily brought on by the Catholic Church.

I do not know what they thought God was doing for the first 1,850 years of Christianity, but evidently it appears from what they say and teach and believe that He just couldn’t prevent evil men from prevailing over His Church…that evil men and satan gained control of His Church and deceived the multitudes of those who profess to believe in and worship God. But fortuantely, they have come to the rescue.

But hmmmmmmmm…what was that promise Jesus made to Peter when He established His Church about not even the gates of hell prevailing over the Church?

That part of the Bible wasn’t in the Apocrapha now was it? So they couldn’t have missed that part of the Bible…or could they?

God bless all!!!

 

[josie_L]

This is very telling:

“I haven’t started abusing anyone yet”

She’s deluding herself if she thinks she hasn’t already.

 

[andrea3710]

She’s deluding herself if she thinks she hasn’t already.

Oh,why don’t you tell me and help my ignorance.

 

[josie_L]

Hi Bill,

This thread is about “Doug Batchelor: His Catholic Church Attacks”. You can go to the Amazing Facts website (Batchelor’s ministry) and read their articles and view their videos, and you will read and see the same things that have been posted on this thread by various SDAs. If you’ve seen one…you’ve seen them all.

So you are not confused…but it can be confusing…as is plainly evident on this thread. Mary, Sunday, Catholics, Popes, anit-christs, pagan ceremonies is all part of the message presented by the Seventh-day Adventist church and Doug Batchelor who is a member of that church.

It is an interesting story that revolves around 15-20 Bible verses for each of 28 or so “fundamental beliefs” adhered to and taught by the SDA church. The story, which weaves these selected Bible verses together, was written by Ellen Gould White and can be very convincing as evidenced by the growth of their church since its beginning about 150 years ago.

They deeply and sincerely believe that they have God’s message for the world to prepare the world for the second coming of Jesus. The deeply and sincerely believe that God has selected them to bring His truth to a world mired in deception, primarily brought on by the Catholic Church.

I do not know what they thought God was doing for the first 1,850 years of Christianity, but evidently it appears from what they say and teach and believe that He just couldn’t prevent evil men from prevailing over His Church…that evil men and satan gained control of His Church and deceived the multitudes of those who profess to believe in and worship God. But fortuantely, they have come to the rescue.

But hmmmmmmmm…what was that promise Jesus made to Peter when He established His Church about not even the gates of hell prevailing over the Church?

That part of the Bible wasn’t in the Apocrapha now was it? So they couldn’t have missed that part of the Bible…or could they?

God bless all!!!

Patrick, I wanted to know how brainwashed are these people who view the CC as evil? And after you left the SDA church did you feel psychologically better? If these questions are too personal I understand. I just can’t comprehend the level of fear that some SDAs have of us, isn’t it emotionally/psychologically draining to think like this? God bless!!!

 

[andrea3710]

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone…

By that statement it is OK to do evil and call evil good. Is that what church teaches you? Go and sin no more. Do not cover a lie and injustice. Many will be surprised with the words : Get away from me you evil servant.
Whatever you do to this little ones you do that to Me
Come on reveal yourself some more and protect the evil and do not admit that what it is being done is wrong. It is easy when things like that did not happen to you.

 

[happilycatholic]

You have something on me?

Feeling a little guilty are we?

No, what I meant was it is a good indication of your personality. I’ve yet to find a post of yours without an insult. You are by far the most foul person I’ve run across on this forum.

You are arrogant, rude, uncompassionate and more than a little self-righteous. Furthermore, your arguments are irresponsible, ignorant and filled with misinformation.

How in the world do you expect to win over a single catholic or anyone else for that matter? Do you pray to God with that mouth?

How’s that for changing my mind?

 

[happilycatholic]

**Edit: I’m sorry everyone. I just lost it. The things that have been said here are unbelievable coming from a supposed Christian.

It looks like Doug Bachelor has done well. He is a messenger that has perfected his craft.