Doug Batchelor: His Catholic Church Attacks

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Above was my post and underneath it is the post of the person you protect.
I do not feel guilty about anything I said there. What was wrong with that post. Calling you to pray to Jesus and read the Bible? To make personal relationship with Jesus? Have you even read that post of mine,be honest,did you? How can you call me evil for my sincere calling you and I include myself too to something like that. I do not call anyone on any evil thing to do or I did not say you should leave your church. How can you be so unfair? I did not jump into any conclusions for I asked the writer of the post to explain the meaning of the post and he did showing the manner of his words.
This is the best thing out of your post:

Jesus will not be able to wash our sins if we are not ready and willing to stop “bathing” in them.

Why can’t you just say this instead of all the other stuff? Believe me when I say becoming catholic was nothing less than an epiphany for me. It is what happened after I did the sort of soul-searching you are talking about in the post above.

See, you believe we don’t do these things. We do. We are no different than you when it comes to our relationship with Christ. That’s what we have a problem with here. Your comments seem to reflect that you think we don’t have a personal relationship with Christ.

We believe we literally take the Body and Blood of Christ into our bodies every week. We definitely know Christ dwells within us. We are not to receive the Eucharist unless we are in a state of grace, without sins that have not been confessed. We believe that to do so would defile Christ.

So, we know Christ intimately. As for the priests we do not condone the things they do just because we go to the same church. They are sinners. You said in your post that every individual has to be accountable for their own sins. Why should I be accountable for the sins of others?

I hope that you will pray for me as I will pray for you because I told you I would do so.

Christ is the light at the end of every tunnel, even this one. 🙂
 
GONE!

post 1000.

This puts this dreadful thread to bed… so I hope 🙂

MarysRoses

Former Advenist… now Happily Catholic.

Forever.
Amen.
 
So let us compare here and see really who we are. I am not changing my statements and as I said I will call evil it’s name no matter where it comes from especially when it comes from someone who teaches people of God. You could have seen that I condemned the evildoers in my church as I did that in yours but I was more harsh on yours because you do not want to admit what was done was wrong and the church covered it up and one woman was labeled as crazy because she said something about that. So let us see here what kind of people some of you are and can you be trusted here.
This is new statement
This is the best thing out of your post:
and the one before said this
You jumped to conclusions because you know what you’ve been saying is evil.
You found it easy to jump on me and accuse,without even reading my post,winked at the statement
“Get thee behind me, Satan.”
So may God measure the same measure you judge others if what you did was right then the judgment will be right and if it was not right then you may answer it for yourself.
It is interesting how you never addressed and saw that love of your doctrine siblings towards us who oppose the views of the CC doctrine and jumped on them. People are that way that,they like to hear nice things that flatter their characters it does not matter if that would be a lie. One moment some of you said one thing and another moment you had to get yourself out of the mess you produced with your words and I “fought” you with your own words. When I called Rome a Babylon you choose not to see that one of your doctrine defenders said that the code name for Rome was Babylon-not my words and if you like you can check me on that-I believe I gave a link to it. You only saw Babylon in my statements but did not see the rest. Many read Bible that way. See only the parts that suit them and they discard the rest and some even said their opinion here on the Bible.What is there else to say to your love and fair. It is false so if I am a bad person as you say and you are falsely good how does that make you any different?
 
Now after we discussed our characters , let us get back to the Revelation and discuss what do you think the Beast means.I will give you my beliefs and you give me yours.
Revelation 17:3 …And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy,having seven heads and ten horns.

We read later what the seven heads are.
Revelation 17:9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountain on which the woman seats…
I believe it is Rome for this city does seat on 7 hills.The seven hills are:
Code:
* Aventine Hill (Aventinus)
* Caelian Hill (Caelius)
* Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus)
* Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus)
* Palatine Hill (Palatinus)
* Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis)
* Viminal Hill (Viminalis)
Now it is your turn to give your view on the Biblical verse given above so we can exchange our view on things.
 
I hope that you will pray for me as I will pray for you because I told you I would do so.
I did from the very beginning.
And was it so hard to say what you said-…Why should I be accountable for the sins of others?..You were the only one who said that and I was waiting someone to say that. What we are to do no matter how we are called-no matter the denomination we represent,it is to address evil no matter who stands behind it.That was my point in my previous posts and it took us a lot to finally stand on the first mutual ground.
Some in church do not like me for saying that we should change our characters and if we do not we can do the rituals,play pious all we want. We can lie to others around us but we can’t lie to God. I am glad that there is one person who finally said what I was waiting to be said.🙂

If I believe something is false i should have right to speak my mind so you have right too and to prove our points. I want to discuss Bible not E.White like you do not want to discuss about immorality of some church members.Verse by verse,your opinion and my opinion. The big thing is ahead of us,why don’t we discuss that? How do you related things that are happening in the world to the Bible? Do you have your view on that? It is really sick for the spirit to fight with statements of other people. What E.White said or what any of your prophet’s said should be left aside for now for neither of them will save us in the days ahead.
I do not have any intention to raise anyone’s blood by my next statement: Jesus wants us to come directly to Him without any helpers around us. When we pray to Him that way we show our faith that He can hear us and that He is right next to us. When I ask questions I want each one of us to think of the statement given,researched and without any insults responded after being carefully examined.
 
The Life of Ellen White by D.M. Canright

Chapter 2 - The Great Denominational Test


“Seventh-day Adventists have no creed but the Bible.” This statement is made over and over again in their publications intended for public distribution.

Likewise they say: “The Bible is its own expositor.” “One text explains another.”

This all sounds well, but upon examination both statements are shown to be false.

In the first place, Seventh-day Adventists have a creed, the same as do other denominations, and have published this ever since 1872. They call it the “Fundamental Principles of Seventh-day Adventists.” It’s opening words are: “Seventh-day Adventists have no creed but the Bible; but they hold to certain well-defined points of faith.” And then they are once proceed to define these “points of faith.” What is this but a creed? Webster defines creed as “an authoritative summary or formula of those articles of Christian faith which are considered essential.”

Opening the disciplines of the various orthodox churches, such as Methodists, Baptists and Presbyterians, we find each beginning its articles of faith thus: “We believe.” Then follows what they believe. Adventists say that all these churches have a creed, but they themselves have no creed. But their “Fundamental Principles” begin in the same way, thus: “They believe;” and then follow their twenty-nine articles of faith, telling what they believe. Hence, for them to say they have no creed, but other churches have, is a deception.

But the worst feature about this creed is that it does not contain their chief article of faith - that which they regard as the greatest essential of all. Strange as it may seem, this is omitted. Their greatest deception in this matter is not in having a formulated creed when they say they have no creed, but in failing to insert in their formulated creed the one paramount article of their faith.

The third article of their published creed says they hold:

“That the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament were given by inspiration of God, contain a full revelation of His will to man, and are the only infallible rule of faith and practice.”
This again sounds well; but it is false, absolutely false. Seventh-day Adventists do not believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments contain the full revelation of God’s will to man, neither do they take these Scriptures as their “only infallible rule of faith and practice,” for they hold that the writings of their prophetess, Mrs. E.G. White, are also given by inspiration of God; that these writings contain a fuller revelation of God’s will to man, and that they are infallible. And, what is more, they make faith in these writings a test of faith and fellowship in their church. All this is susceptible of the clearest proof.

Over and over Mrs. White claimed her writings to be inspired of God, and placed them on a level with the Bible. She says:

“I took the precious Bible, and surrounded it with the several Testimonies for the Church, given for the people of God. Here, said I, the cases of nearly all are met”(Testimonies, Vol. 2, p. 605; Vol. 5, p. 664).
According to 2 Tim. 3:16,17, the Bible alone is a sufficient guide to heaven, thoroughly furnishing the man of God unto all good works. But Mrs. White adds her writings to the Bible; surrounds it with them, in fact. With the two thus placed together, she says “the cases of nearly all are met.” The Bible alone, therefore, must be better; for that meets the cases of all.

The claim of infallibility was set up for Mrs. White’s writings in 1911. In that year they declared her writings to be “the only infallible interpreter of Bible principles” (The Mark of the Beast, by G.A. Irwin, p. 1).

With them, therefore, the Bible is not their only creed, it is not its own expositor, neither is it their only infallible rule of faith and practice. On the contrary, faith in Mrs. White and her writings is the great thing - the chief, but unpublished, article of faith. It is not an uncommon thing to hear their older members say, “If I gave up faith in Mrs. White, I would give up everything.” This shows that everything in this church is built on her. To disbelieve in her is the greatest of heresies, and at once brands one as an apostate. Before uniting with the church one hears little or nothing about Mrs. White; but, after uniting, one hears her quoted constantly as authority upon everything - doctrine, diet, dress and discipline.
What pastors keep telling people ,even to those who came from other churches to our meetings is that Bible is sufficient and it interpretes itself. Anyone can verify that. I share that opinion.
 
This again sounds well; but it is false, absolutely false. Seventh-day Adventists do not believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments contain the full revelation of God’s will to man, neither do they take these Scriptures as their “only infallible rule of faith and practice,”
Whoever said that on internet he does not say the truth. I think that I was saying from the beginning that my only measure and my only mirror is the Word of God. So this above in your post would be the statement of hate and ignorance? Or only ignorance,what was the measure I was measured,remember? I remember when I kept saying here in my posts that the Bible was the only thing we should have for our teachings someone here posted and told me the opposite and that there were other things given and that the Bible was not accepted from the beginning and such… So which one is it,on which side would you stand? Is the Bible the book with the full revelation to you? Or are there any other things that you add to it? I hope my direct responses will not be taken as rude again?
According to 2 Tim. 3:16,17, the Bible alone is a sufficient guide to heaven, thoroughly furnishing the man of God unto all good works.
And thank you for that verse we should share it with that particular person who says the opposite.That also leaves the question where the other things that CC teaches and gives people to keep come from,I have to mention rosary,Easter,Christmas…? Actually you are helping me to prove my point further.I am asking these things because I really want to know!
 
i DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE CAN’T UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE POINT. THAT WE ARE NOT SAVED AS A BUNCH BUT AS INDIVIDUALS AND THAT ONE CAN’T PUT THE FAITH IN A MAN BUT IN GOD ONLY.

And The Catholic Church teaches this very thing, and I don’t know of any Catholics who do not agree with that. So will you hear this and stop with that accusation against Catholics?
andrea3710;5028881:
THERE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ANY CHURCH BUT CHRIST CHURCH WE ARE ABOUT TO JOIN.WHAT IS THAT CHURCH? I REALLY HOPED THAT THERE WERE SOME WISDOM HERE THAT WILL MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO DEFEND CHRIST AND BECOME MORE CHRISTLIKE.
I don’t know what other Catholics think, but I don’t believe that Jesus Christ needs us to defend Him…He is quite capable of defending Himself.

I do believe that Catholics would agree that the Christian life is very much, if not all about becoming more Christlike. And that can only happen as God fills us with His Holy Spirit and the abundance of graces that we do not deserve, but out of His love for us He freely gives to us.
I JUST CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW CAN ANYONE PUT YOUR HAND IN THE FIRE FOR ANOTHER MAN AND VOUCH THAT HE IS JUST AND TRUST ONES LIFE INTO ANOTHER PERSON’S HANDS AND NOT IN GOD’S.
And I cannot understand why you think Catholics do not trust their lives to God and put their lives into God’s hands…because they do.
SO THEN ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT THAT TEMPLE IN US OR ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT OTHER MEN WHO SHOW BY THEIR ACTIONS THAT THEY DO NOT SERVE GOD. I DO NOT GET OFFENDED BY WHAT OTHER SDA’S DID FOR I CONDEMN EVIL LIKE EVERY CHRISTIAN SHOULD. HOW IS THAT WRONG? BUT I PRAY THAT THE SINNER COMES TO GOD AND UNDERSTANDS THE ESSENCE. IT IS AMAZING HOW YOU CAN BE OFFENDED BY THE ACCUSING STATEMENTS OF PRIESTS WHO COMMITTED CRIME, IT IS NOT YOU WHO DID IT,IT IS THEM. WHY DO YOU DEFEND EVIL AND PARTAKE IN THEIR ACTIONS?
No one on here, or that I know, defends the actions of evil commited by sinful men…especially those who are placed in positions of responsibility. And Pope Benedict VI recently apologized for this. And now the painful process of forgiveness and reconcilliation must take place for those who believe in God. And if someone apologizes to you, do you accept their apology and forgive, or do you reject it and continue to condemn?
WHAT WRONG IS IN THAT STATEMENT? YOU ARE READY TO ATTACK AND YOU DO NOT SEE THE POINT? IS IT SATANIC TO CALL YOU TO READ THE BIBLE AND PRAY TO JESUS?
No it is not santanic to call for people to read the Bible and pray to Jesus…that is a very good thing. But is it Christlike to continue to accuse people of not doing those things after they tell you that they do those things?
If I believe something is false i should have right to speak my mind so you have right too and to prove our points.

I want to discuss Bible not E.White like you do not want to discuss about immorality of some church members.Verse by verse,your opinion and my opinion.
Again, we have shared scriptures with you regarding the Biblical-ness of The Rosary, The woman in Revelation, and many other things…and yet you either miss those posts, or just ignore them and deny that any Catholic could possibily have any Biblical basis for their faith if it disagrees with your understanding of scriptures. I don’t know what causes those scales to cover a person’s sight, but I do know I had those same scales on my sight for a long time.

Listen and hear what the Catholics are saying even if you do not agree with them. They are every bit as Biblical (and even moreso I believe) as the SDAs.
And thank you for that verse we should share it with that particular person who says the opposite.That also leaves the question where the other things that CC teaches and gives people to keep come from,I have to mention rosary,Easter,Christmas…? Actually you are helping me to prove my point further.I am asking these things because I really want to know!
And here is the crux of why there is so much excitement around discussion with you. You have a point to prove about Catholicism, Rosary, Christmas, Easter, Sunday, and it appears that even after people do their best to explain these things to you, you really do not want to know…just prove your point.
Still I pray for them and pray for all the people who used me and did to me bad things. Despite that I AM HAPPY for I was able to forgive and I am stronger for God lifted me up. I hate injustice and cannot keep my eyes shut and my mouth shut when I see that someone abuses a person.
And this made me cry for you and understand so much of what appears to be hatred in your words. I honestly do not believe that you hate…I believe that you have been unfairly, unjustly, inflicted with pain by someone or someones who used you and did bad things to you. That is terrible and I can now begin to sense the pain that exists deep within you. Oh God Andrea, I am so sorry that happened to you. No one should have to suffer at the hands and abuse of someone else.

I am so glad that you are finding healing and forgiveness in Jesus and I admire you so much for praying for those people and forgiving them. That is a Christian response that few are called to make, or even faithful enough to make. God bless you Andrea! You are in my prayers that Jesus will always keep you safe and protect you and hold you in His arms!!!

God bless all!!!
 
**Edit: I’m sorry everyone. I just lost it. 😊 The things that have been said here are unbelievable coming from a supposed Christian.

It looks like Doug Bachelor has done well. He is a messenger that has perfected his craft.
I did not see that post earlier so I will address it now. That statement was rude. As you said earlier that you are responsible for your own actions so is pastor Doug and I am responsible for my actions.It was incorrect to bring up his name in this case.
 
And The Catholic Church teaches this very thing, and I don’t know of any Catholics who do not agree with that. So will you hear this and stop with that accusation against Catholics?
I talk about the doctrine I do not get along with not about you in person.
 
I don’t know what other Catholics think, but I don’t believe that Jesus Christ needs us to defend Him…He is quite capable of defending Himself.
I do believe that Catholics would agree that the Christian life is very much, if not all about becoming more Christlike. And that can only happen as God fills us with His Holy Spirit and the abundance of graces that we do not deserve, but out of His love for us He freely gives to us.
First it would be safe if you would talk in your name and not in the name of all Catholics for we already discussed the subject that you are responsible for your actions and your fellow Catholic brother may not be very spiritual.
I am sorry that you do not understand the language…Defend-I do not mean by physical power . Defend the truth and proclaim it. But actually there is a war between good and evil and we are participants in the war too.The war that is not at hand it the war against the beast and its power,so yes I stand on my point,we have to defend the truth and stand for God’s Word and His commandments.
 
No one on here, or that I know, defends the actions of evil commited by sinful men…especially those who are placed in positions of responsibility. And Pope Benedict VI recently apologized for this. And now the painful process of forgiveness and reconcilliation must take place for those who believe in God. And if someone apologizes to you, do you accept their apology and forgive, or do you reject it and continue to condemn?
Great:),but it took long for someone to say that,insted many vere opposing the statements and they gave impression that they support that view. I have in family Catholics and I know that they by all means condemn such a behavior but here on this post some really gave impression that they agree. It is because they do not read but are ready to jump and fight.
 
No it is not santanic to call for people to read the Bible and pray to Jesus…that is a very good thing. But is it Christlike to continue to accuse people of not doing those things after they tell you that they do those things?
They do what things?
 
Listen and hear what the Catholics are saying even if you do not agree with them. They are every bit as Biblical (and even moreso I believe) as the SDAs.
Again generalizing.Should I listen to them all? Even to those who insult others by naming them? Yes there were discussions about rosary but the one discussing it with me did not have much to say.
 
And here is the crux of why there is so much excitement around discussion with you. You have a point to prove about Catholicism, Rosary, Christmas, Easter, Sunday, and it appears that even after people do their best to explain these things to you, you really do not want to know…just prove your point.
And I keep reading such answers and nothing else that is why I keep asking.Let me know at least where Christmas date come from.? I really want to know,because when I give my statement you call me ignorant and when I ask you give statements such as this above. Who could please you? It seems just like there is nothing else to say.
 
I don’t know what kind of a bible you are quoting from, but this is what mine says:

" I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, "
I called Batchelor a flim-flam man because thats what he is, he not only steals mens money, but he steals their souls…and that is my opinon, so sue me!
From your bible can you please give us chapter and verse.
 
And this made me cry for you and understand so much of what appears to be hatred in your words. I honestly do not believe that you hate…I believe that you have been unfairly, unjustly, inflicted with pain by someone or someones who used you and did bad things to you. That is terrible and I can now begin to sense the pain that exists deep within you. Oh God Andrea, I am so sorry that happened to you. No one should have to suffer at the hands and abuse of someone else.
I am so glad that you are finding healing and forgiveness in Jesus and I admire you so much for praying for those people and forgiving them. That is a Christian response that few are called to make, or even faithful enough to make. God bless you Andrea! You are in my prayers that Jesus will always keep you safe and protect you and hold you in His arms!!!
Thank you. 🙂 You are all in my prayers too. But my pain had not much to do with the Catolic faith in a way that I would focus on that. That is people in general of all denominations and creeds that cause the pain. There is chaff as Bible pictures it anywhere you go. People are becoming more and more haters of God and lovers of themselves. Whatever I say here or anyewhere else I try to watch myself in everything for if I condemn something for which I should be condemnd I am a hypocrite and a liar. If we kill that ego and let God position that place we are then excatly what God wants us to be. Of course we need to want that in our lifes,and we need to be ready to let God take the wheel of our lifes. It says that Satan will try to deceive even the elected ones,He managed to deceive so many angels…who are we without God’s help,you will stand for yourself in the battle,I will stand for myself not for the whole church…We need to pray that God stands with us and that we do not find ourselves in a position when He will tell us I really do not know you.
 
The Life of Ellen White by D.M. Canright (yada, yada)
When she died he said that she was a fine Christian woman.

OTOH, he also said one year that she copied “whole paragraphs word-for-word”–to date, no one has been able to find a single one.

The next year he upped it to whole pages.

How many lies does someone have to tell you before you realize that they are lying to you?
 
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