Doug Batchelor: His Catholic Church Attacks

[emarc]

Gabriel of 12;
I can, and I have heard his message change from time to time also. In fact I have noticed a change in fire among SDA’s recently about attacks against Catholicism. I guess you can say Catholics are finally calling his public misinformed attacks and exposing them, today I have noticed his and other SDA’s are not so incriminating as before, but never the less he continues to teach his own 20th century prophecies, I quess the Real Catholic Pope is to much competition to his self proclaimed pope of SDA’s.

doug batchelor once said in his old tape that he was a descendant of Paul from Tarsus. pretty soon he would say he is a god, if he had not done so yet.
God bless.

 

[djconklin]

doug batchelor once said in his old tape that he was a descendant of Paul from Tarsus. pretty soon he would say he is a god, if he had not done so yet.
God bless.

On which tape did he say that?

 

[Good_Fella]

Would you please explain what did you mean by your statement so we would all know what kind of Christianity you preach?!
Very eloquent statement.

“Get thee behind me, Satan.”

Satan is the father of lies (Jn 8:44). So naturally the fiend would suggest to us - in this case through you - to** study the Bible for ourselves** . But I believe that Jesus has commissioned shepherds to feed his flock (Acts 20:28; 1 Pet 2:25), having invested them with the divine authority he received from the Father to preach the gospel and nourish the faithful with the Word of God (Lk 22:29). In matters of faith and morals our Lord expects us to subject ourselves to the Apostolic teaching authority of His Church (Mt 10:1, 40; Lk 10:16). It is not for us to interpret the Scriptures for ourselves in a private capacity (2 Pet 1:20; 3:16) and thereby question and challenge what has been revealed and handed down to us through the medium of Sacred Tradition under the instruction and guidance of the appointed governing head of the Church (2 Cor 1: 21-22; 3:6; Heb 13:7,17). Satan would like us to believe otherwise. I’m afraid Ellen G White got duped in believing that she could open the Bible and **draw her own conclusions. ** If she had resisted the devil, he would have fled.

Only a fiend like Satan would like faithful Catholics to think that perhaps Jesus hasn’t yet revealed himself in their lives on account of their religious persuasion. But Paul commends us to continually observe the Apostolic Tradition that has been handed down to us under the guidance of the central teaching authority of the episcopacy through apostolic succession (1 Cor 11:2; 2 Thess 3:6; 1 Tim 4:14-16; 2 Tim 2:2; 3:14; 4:1-6; Eph 2:20). Indeed, the evil one would like to try getting faithful practicing Catholics to think that they may **not really know what they need for their salvation **after all because of their religious beliefs. I refuse to listen to the one who is “prowling around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” and intend to “resist him, steadfast in faith” (cf. 1 Pet 5: 8-9). :knight2:

Asking Catholics to **listen to their conscience **is subtly implying that it’s about time Catholics finally do in opposition to the teaching authority of the Church in matters of faith and morals. You’re actually inviting us to expose ourselves to the voice of the great deceiver who has a way of corrupting a healthy conscience (1 Tim 4: 1-2; 1 Cor 11: 3-5; Rev 12:9). But be assured that we faithful Catholics have no qualms about the articles of our faith and our devotions, confident that we have been entrusted by our Lord to the pastoral care of our shepherds who govern and instruct us (1 Tim 6:20; 1 Jn 4: 4-6). We know that by following their teachings and counsel, we cannot fall astray (1 Jn 2:24).

It’s just like old hairy-hoofs to suggest that we try, even for just an instance, to separate Mary and the saints from our Lord and Savior . But I’m afraid it can’t be done according to the Word of God (Lk 1:38; 2:35; John 2:3-7; Mk 16:20; Rom 8:28; 1 Cor 3:9; 2 Cor 6:1; Col 1:24; 1 Tim 2: 1-4; 1 Pet 2:9; Jas 5:16; Rev 1:6; 5:10; 20:6). :nope:

“The devil hath power to assume a pleasing shape.”
William Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act ll Scene ll

PAX :harp:

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

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Sooner or later you will fall in the trap of your own words to me you already have but we are continuing this further…
So let us see what the Bible teaches about itself and what will be included in the last days in the battle between the right and wrong or better to say between powers of evil and good.
Revelation 20;4 tells us who were the God’s saints and why people who were following Satan killed them,what they did not like them and what was that they preached.
And I saw thrones and they sat on them and judgment was committed to them.And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the WORD OF GOD.
Revelation 6:9 tells us almost the same thing
1 John 2;14 …I have written to you young men because you are strong and the word of God abides in you…
1 John 2;5 But whoever keeps His word truly the love of God is perfected in him.By this we know that we are in Him.
I think there can’t be any clearer statement than this . I do not understand what do you mean when you say sacred scriptures? For me there is none sacred scripture besides the Bible,what about you?
I Thessalonians 2;13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing because when you received the word of God which you heard from us,you welcomed it not as the word of men but as it is in truth the word of God which effectively works in you who believe.

Colossians 1;25 Whereof I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God.
Ephesians 6;17 And take the helmet of salvation the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God.
Luke 11;28 …Blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it
Luke 8;21 But He answered and said to them, My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.
It is seen that Jesus himself fought Satan with the Word of God :
Luke 4;4 But Jesus answered him,saying It is written,Man shall not live by bread alone,but by every word of God"
Amen to that.So I address you to eat of that bread too because your life may depend on it,actually it will but I will let you come to that conclusions in the things that lie ahead.

Gabriel of 12;
Hi andrea; the scriptures above are teaching about the Word of God, not the bible only or bible alone theology, you appear to mixing a man made belief of bible alone which conflicts with the Word of God. Besides to a Catholic the Word of God is living not just on a page with ink which you idolize to be a book of the bible.

andrea;
I am not sure how many times I am writing this but OK I will do it again and again and again…I never said that SDA is mentioned anywhere in the Bible as the one who is saved,neither is Catholic neither is Anglican or any other denomination is mentioned in the Bible. Am I clear on that one. It says in the Bible that the ones that will be saved are those who KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS AND KEEP THE FAITH OF JESUS. Do you think if person declares " I am a Catholic, or I am SDA " that that person is saved because of that declaration and because of that person belongs to some denomination. That is nonsense. Nowhere in Bible says anything as such. Each individual will have to stand before God and each one will go through the fire (not literal although we are not certain that stakes will not "work"again) so the things each one of declares will be tested practically.

Gabriel of 12;
I understand what you mean, but you quoted as believing if it is not in the bible you wont accept it? So I ask, is your denomination mentioned in scripture? apparently not, so why do you follow such a faith? My point I am trying to make to you here, is that not everything got written down of what Jesus did (see John 21:25) so your missing alot of what Jesus revealed to his apostles and who handed down these teachings to the Catholic church today unchanged of which you mistakenly reject them, because someone has decieved you. You have yet to mention a doctrine of the Catholic church as being a tradition of men instead of following God, thus far all the confirmed Apostolic Traditions lead us to God, not detour us from God.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

cont…

This statement shows how much you know the Bible and how much you dedicate your time reading it. Bible teaches us that Elijah,Moses and Enoch are not dead but alive. Where does it say in Bible that Elijah ever died?
Enoch…it says in the Bible that God took him. Moses died and was buried but later we read in the NT Jude 1;9 Yet Michael the archangel in contending with the devil when he disputed about the BODY of Moses dared not bring against him a reviling accusation but said “The Lord rebuke you”

Gabriel of 12;

Wait a minute? you believe in soul sleep? and yet the bible clearly states Moses, who died and God buried appears to Jesus with Elijah? What about Father Abraham? who in the new testament is found speaking from the abyss after death with the rich man who is in a lake of fire. Apparently scripture contradicts your soul sleep doctrine. Besides the New Testament reveals what is hidden in the Old Testament.

andrea
So Bible speaks of these three men to be alive in the body others sleep and wait for resurrection. Another things,the verse in Mark you mention is clear when it says that when Peter suggesting building a tabernacle was afraid and did not know what to say. Jesus never said OK,go ahead and build it and we do not see they ever did actually Jesus told them not to say anything about what they saw and if they built the tabernacle it would not make the whole thing secretive.

Gabriel of 12;

Andrea; you confuse the content of discussion here, I revealed these scriptures not if a tabernacle was built or not, but that Peter and the apostles believed and saw the dead man Moses living with Elijah, and wanted to honor these Saints and recognize and remember them at this site in the form of “tents”. But you have denied biblical support of Saints who live and do not soul sleep.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

Peter understood His sin and it did not take him ages to confess His sin and he confessed for what he did not what others did. Another thing…what he did was between him and Jesus and nobody ever died for what he did and what Popes did we count in thousands of dead,most of those who did not see eye to eye with what Popes preached. Peter was the one who dies for His faith rather than he would kill someone else so we have here two different spirits or we can read fruits. And we should know them of their fruits. It was not one Pope who did these atrocities but more them.If I come with this atrocities I will clog the website with facts.

Gabrirel of 12;
andrea? seriously do you really buy into this rhetoric about the Pope killing thousands of people? You have to provide some type of proof where the Popes kill thousands of people? first you and another poster stated millions now it is down to thousands? Please help with clarification and proof; As far as Peter is concerned read Acts 5: where at the speech of St. Peter both Ananias and his wife Sapphira are killed at Peters feet. So truly you have to read it for yourself to arrive at your own conclusion if Peter killed them or someone else did?

andrea;
Maybe we should talk about the past readings in church in Latin. Why that? Who needed it to be read in Latin? It says in the Bible that when someone speaks in the church that person should be understood or he should be silent. I read that Pope thinks to bring that practice again into the church. Is not that nice. Where did they even come up with that practice? From Bible? I do not think so!
I already gave here bunch of examples. How much more do you need?

Gabriel of 12;
Latin is the official language of the Latin Rite. Once the world spoke and understood Latin, today it is English. The Mass is now said in the vernacular, peoples language and culturals change, the Catholic church has to adjust to these different ages in time, but this done not make what you falsely accuse of Apostolic Traditon of being mans traditions. These customs when man changes them the Catholic church will make a way for the ages to come to be able to understand the message of Jesus Christ in every age no matter the culture or language. The Catholic church has adapted indigenous languages throught the ages to preach the acceptable day of the Lord (Gospel). This does not mean that the Catholic church follows mans traditions, the Catholic church learns mans traditions in order for them to recieve the good news of Jesus in every time period.

 

[Rachel_Malloy]

This thread is now closed. Thanks to all who participated!