Dr. Hahn-The Lamb's Supper

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I’ve listened to his talk on this as well as the 4th cup. I bought the book The Lamb’s Supper and am partially through it. (Has anyone completed this book because this would be helpful with a portion of my question?)

I’m currently in the middle of another thread in the non-Catholic sub-forum where the topic is mostly on when was Christ crucified? Dr. Hahn gives a rich appreciation for what Christ did and how he was our paschal sacrifice, but after going through this discussion with someone who believes Christ was crucified on Wednesday instead of Good Friday, I’m confused. His (the person in the thread) argument is that the sabbath that everyone was preparing for was actually a high sabbath meaning a holy day. The holy day he is claiming is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread which is the 15th day of the first month. Even though Matthew 26, Mark 14, Luke 22 all state that the disciples prepared the passover meal on that day, his argument to deny this is that no work could be done which meant that is was really the 14th day instead of the 15th. Exodus 12 indicates that the one thing allowed to be done on this day was the preparation of the food so I believe this negates his point.

My confusion comes in with this. The Gospels do clearly state that the preparation took place on the first day of unleavened bread (the 15th). The passover lambs were slaughtered at twilight of the 14th. Dr. Hahn states that Christ died at twilight on Passover at the same time the lambs were being slaughtered. I can’t reconcile this with the fact that the Gospels so clearly say that Christ hadn’t even been arrested on the 15th. Am I missing something here? I know that the feast evolved over time. At one time, people didn’t have to travel as far to perform the sacrifice and the meal. By Jesus’ time, the people of Jerusalem had a special flock used for this sacrifice because there was no way that all the traveler’s could keep their lamb without blemish. Could it be that because of the volume of sacrifices they took more than one day to complete?

Again, I haven’t finished his book so maybe he explains it better, but so far it seems to be mostly focusing on Revelations even though his talks focus just on Christ’s death as the lamb sacrifice. Could someone clear this up for me? I don’t want to lead anyone down the wrong path with misinformation, but as I continue to discuss this with the poster I am beginning to wonder if Christ really died when the lambs were slaughtered.

Thanks and peace,

Jessica
 
There’s a current of thought that John the Baptist and also (likely) Jesus and His apostles were Essenes. That would explain the Baptisms that John the Baptist was performing, as the Essenses had cleansing rituals like that. The Essenes had a different method of calculating the date of the Passover and their dates typically lagged that of the Pharisees and Sadducees, but someone figured out that in 30AD or so, the Essene Passover was 1 day before the other. In fact, that is the only time that the Essene Passover ever fell 1 day prior to the other date.

I can’t comment on the accuracy of that statement. I heard Fr Mitch Pacwa one time mention (again based on Jesus being Essene) that the meal He celebrated at the Last Supper would have been the day before the “official” Passover.
 
I was reading in the Catholic Bible Dictionary this morning about the same school of thought. That there were some who based the Passover on the lunar calendar and some on the solar. In this case, Jesus would have been celebrating the solar based Passover. It’s very interesting, and I definitely want to find out more about it. Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut! 🙂
 
Here is a link I found while studying the matter of the Essene celebration of Passover. It has some interesting information.
 
In the early Church, there was a controversy about whether the solemnity of the Passion of Christ should be celebrated on the day of the week that He died, Friday, or on the day of the month that He died, the 14th (in the Jewish calendar month of Nisan). Those who practiced the later were called quartodecimans (the fourteeners).

This controversy tells us something about the day of the Crucifixion. This decision, whether to keep the observance always on a Friday or always on the 14th day of Nisan, had to be made by the Church because Jesus was crucified on Friday, Nisan 14, but Nisan 14 does not always fall on a Friday. So, in subsequent years when Nisan 14 and Friday did not coincide, Christians had to decide on which day to observe the Crucifixion. Notice that there was no one arguing to observe the day of Christ’s Crucifixion on the 15th day of Nisan, nor did any one argue in favor of observing the Crucifixion always on some other particular day of the week. Early Christians understood that Christ died on a Friday and on Nisan 14, that is why there was no dispute about whether Christ died on Nisan 14 or 15, nor any dispute about on which day of the week Christ died. Modern-day theories which claim that Christ died on Nisan 15 or on some day of the week other than Friday were absent then (and should be absent still).
 
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I’ve listened to his talk on this as well as the 4th cup. I bought the book The Lamb’s Supper and am partially through it. (Has anyone completed this book because this would be helpful with a portion of my question?)

I’m currently in the middle of another thread in the non-Catholic sub-forum where the topic is mostly on when was Christ crucified? Dr. Hahn gives a rich appreciation for what Christ did and how he was our paschal sacrifice, but after going through this discussion with someone who believes Christ was crucified on Wednesday instead of Good Friday, I’m confused. His (the person in the thread) argument is that the sabbath that everyone was preparing for was actually a high sabbath meaning a holy day. The holy day he is claiming is the first day of the feast of unleavened bread which is the 15th day of the first month. Even though Matthew 26, Mark 14, Luke 22 all state that the disciples prepared the passover meal on that day, his argument to deny this is that no work could be done which meant that is was really the 14th day instead of the 15th. Exodus 12 indicates that the one thing allowed to be done on this day was the preparation of the food so I believe this negates his point.

My confusion comes in with this. The Gospels do clearly state that the preparation took place on the first day of unleavened bread (the 15th). The passover lambs were slaughtered at twilight of the 14th. Dr. Hahn states that Christ died at twilight on Passover at the same time the lambs were being slaughtered. I can’t reconcile this with the fact that the Gospels so clearly say that Christ hadn’t even been arrested on the 15th. Am I missing something here? I know that the feast evolved over time. At one time, people didn’t have to travel as far to perform the sacrifice and the meal. By Jesus’ time, the people of Jerusalem had a special flock used for this sacrifice because there was no way that all the traveler’s could keep their lamb without blemish. Could it be that because of the volume of sacrifices they took more than one day to complete?

Again, I haven’t finished his book so maybe he explains it better, but so far it seems to be mostly focusing on Revelations even though his talks focus just on Christ’s death as the lamb sacrifice. Could someone clear this up for me? I don’t want to lead anyone down the wrong path with misinformation, but as I continue to discuss this with the poster I am beginning to wonder if Christ really died when the lambs were slaughtered.

Thanks and peace,

Jessica
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Also Christ being crucified on Wednesday just shows how confused that person is. Are they by chance a SDA?
 
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