Dr. Laura: What do you think of the woman?

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👋 I remember that Dr. Laura told the story of her family. Her mom and dad never really practiced their faiths. In fact, in my opinion, they should never have married. She converted to Judaism. Now she states that she is not a Jew. Whatever. As a Catholic who converted to Judaism in 2002, I realized that she wanted to be looked upon as a “super Jew”. I have a reason for saying this because of an incident that took place in Texas concerning her.

Dr. Laura would probably like being a Christian better as y’all would make over her more. Hold her up as someone special. And if she became a Catholic, that would really send y’all over the top. Like it was some type of prize. Dr. Laura wanted Jews to make over her. Nope. Wasn’t going to happen. She did have some influence on my becoming Jewish. I left the Catholicism in 1999 and became a Jew in 2002. Because our mikveh wasn’t completed, I wasn’t able to have the last ceremony done but this June, I’ll be able to. I am going to the mikveh. Yours truly and those who converted with me will be going in this special ritual in Judaism. In my travels, I have met former nuns, priests, brothers, sisters, religious who are now Jews. Catholics and those of liturgical churches tend to enter Conservative and Orthodox Judaism while Protestants tend to enter Reform Judaism. I do believe that she did for me what she was supposed to do and that was to be one of the signposts to lead me to Jerusalem, to Torah. I am grateful to her for that. I think that she has her good points and she does stick up for the family, for life, for marriage. I’ll always regard her well for that.

Bat-Ami

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I’d rather go to a Baptist confession (they call it ‘alter call’) then hear her voice! Yuk!

In Veitnam they’d say, “She numba 10”
 
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Bat-Ami:
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Dr. Laura would probably like being a Christian better as y’all would make over her more. Hold her up as someone special. And if she became a Catholic, that would really send y’all over the top. Like it was some type of prize. Dr. Laura wanted Jews to make over her. Nope. Wasn’t going to happen. She did have some influence on my becoming Jewish.
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Bat-Ami
In a way she had more credibility as a Jew. She could discuss values that are thought of as being Christian (pro-life pro family pro-marriage) and couldn’t be lumped in with all the “other” Christians.
 
Funny how this thread reopened after about a year. Dr. Laura completely changed my way of thinking for the better mind you. When I first listened to her I was all for “women’s lib” and was “pro choice” (whatever that means) and I thought stay at home moms were wasting their brains. I was a product of my upbringing and our relativistic culture. The more I listened the more I realized what she said made a lot more sense. I completely changed my mind about many things and went from an agnostic to a Catholic…not ALL due to Dr Laura but she definitely started me down the path. So long story short, I greatly admire her for her steadfast support of women, children and a decent society. Yes she’s sometimes sharp but as one person said, after listening to the same stupid excuses for inexcusable behavior, only a saint would be able to maintain patience.

BTW I do not believe she has renounced Judaism but is no longer Orthodox. She used to talk about dietary restrictions of being orthodox and keeping Kosher. I do not know why she has changed the way she practices but I believe she is still Jewish.

Lisa N
 
Let’s delete this thread already! That’s what I think of her.
 
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WhiteDove:
I’ve heard her name mentioned on several threads. What do you all think of her? 🙂

Since I have no idea who she is - I can’t comment 🙂

 
If it is Dr. Laura Sleshingler? I do not have much respect for her. She has done an awful lot of telling people to leave their spouses who are sick. Either with addiction or really are sick. The church teaches that we are to be faithfull to our vows. “In sickness and in health!”.
 
“Dr. Laura” is first and foremost an entertainer. And her Ph.D isn’t in psychology or counseling - it’s in physiology. She’s popular, but I doubt that she’s qualified.

O+
 
Given the choice of getting advice from her and a schizophrenic hobo…I’d take the hobo.
 
She is no longer on radio in the NYC area because of her words about homosexuality.

A psychologist I know 40+year practicing PhD, grad school prof, etc] said that while he didn’t agree with her all the time, she was by far the best diagnostician he had ever encountered. She can produce an accurate psychological diagnosis in about a half-sentence by a caller. Must have something to do with speech quality or voice qualty. Amazing.

One day while I was listening a woman called in needing to talk because she had decided to keep her baby even though because of some serious medical issues, maintaining the pregnancy would cost the mother her life. Dr. Laura, who is extremely pro-life, spent a lot of time with her going over the various options and in the end Dr. Laura was so emotionally spent she was crying and unable to continue with the show. You could hear her slam down her earphones and leave the studio booth to compose herself.

I haven’t heard her show in several years, but when I was listening she was a powerful witness for observing The Ten Commandments and the ethical standards based upon them.
 
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rfk:
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Dr Laura uncompromisingly holds that:
<snip list of beliefs congruent w/ Catholic theology>

That said, she isn’t perfect (as if anyone is). For example, she believes that Addictions, Adultery,
and Abuse are valid reasons for divorce (albeit the only valid reasons).

rfk,
Addictions, adultery, and abuse ARE valid reasons to divorce! We must, at times, protect ourselves and our children from people who are causing (or will cause) us harm. Addictions, adultery, and abuse fall into this category without any discussion. Does it annul otherwise valid marriage vows? No. So the person is not free to date or re-marry. S/he must either go through the annulment process or remain chaste. But a divorce is a CIVIL proceeding that has no effect on the religious vows.

Adultery, one could argue, is able to be overcome. The pain it causes can be diminished over time. The parties involved can put things right. There are plenty of examples to look at. I don’t disagree. But I do say that it is the only time the Bible says a “religious divorce” is allowable. It also requires the commitment of both partners, one of whom has shown him/herself to be unable to keep a promise. While I would encourage anyone who has the slightest possibility of hope to try, we cannot argue that the person is sinning to leave this situation.

Abuse is something I’m sure we can all agree is not in the marriage contract. No person should be subjected to it in any form. It goes against a basic respect for humanity–much less decency, charity, self-restraint, and the marriage vows one took. Surely you wouldn’t argue that the abused spouse or children are required to stay? What is the alternative? Leaving, of course. What would you have this person do? Legally separate? First, my state doesn’t recognize a legal separation. You’re either married or you are not. Second, then the abuser has certain rights to your life, money, property, etc that cannot be taken away. That isn’t a good idea from a practical perspective as the abuser is obviously using control and fear to rule you already. As a civil divorce is not recognized by the Church anyway, why not take care of yourself and your children on the civil side of things while also taking care of their emotional and physical well-being? A civil divorce is almost a necessity in cases of abuse. If the person got back on the straight and narrow, a civil re-marriage would be fine.

Lastly, addiction. This is probably the one you would argue the most as being tolerable. (Second to adultery, but adultery does have that fail-safe Biblical OK for divorce attached to it making arguing sorta silly on that one.) Addiction means the person is incapable of putting his wife, family, and marriage first. An addict cannot take care of his/her responsibilities because s/he has an internal driving force to get the next hit or shot or drink or snort (or online porno, an addiction growing by leaps and bounds and actually taking over people’s lives). In a relationship where addiction is present, the spouse is forever giving 200% while the addict takes even more. The spouse does not and should not need to live like this. Addicts can get help, but they have to want it. In the mean time, the spouse needs to take control of his/her life and protect him/herself and their children from this behavior. Again, if the person comes around, a civil re-marriage would be do-able.

The point here is that DIVORCE is a perfectly fine answer to abusive relationships including adultery and addiction. It has no effect on religious vows. The person would then be free to seek an annulment (saying the vows were not entered into in good faith on at least one side and therefore were not valid) or to remain chaste. As a matter of fact, a divorce means nothing in the church’s eyes and a person who has divorced is free to take communion. The problem comes in at a re-marriage as you can’t break the first vow to enter the second. But to assume that a person in any of these situations should do less than physically separate from an abusive partner and take protective (restraining order, divorce, al-anon) and corrective (file charges, contact creditors) civil actions is preposterous.
 
I think that Dr. Laura often gives good advice, but I really can’t believe that people take it very often. If I were in a bad situation of my own making and had some self-righteous person calling me names and telling me that she knew exactly what to do about everything, I don’t think I would really end up doing what she said. I’d be more inclined to get defensive and rebel against what I felt was an attack. In my experience, people who are wishy-washy and admit they need a kick in the pants almost never actually take the advice given with that kick. Those types would certainly gain more benefit from a longer-term counseling program.

Also, I can’t understand why any self-respecting therapist calling themselves “doctor” would discourage forgiveness and publicize the fact that she doesn’t practice it herself. It’s simply irresponsible. The medical and psychological merits of forgiveness have been shown in more than one recent study, so regardless of religion, she should be promoting forgiveness.
 
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JimG:
Whenever we argue social issues on religious grounds–in our current society–we’re going to lose every time.
quick off-topic rebuttal:
I wouldn’t say that we “lose.” We may not convince the other side, but we are certainly showing that religion makes a difference in the way we view the world. If all of our moral standpoints could be arrived at by other than religious roads, then the non-religious bystander might conclude that religion has no value. Also, even if it were possible, what is the point in creating a society that is morally similar to us, but has no religion? If people are not willing to accept the truth, then what will rule-following gain them? Are we to overlook their refusal of the truth as inconsequential, in order to get them to act the way we want them to act?
 
I agree with most of what Dr.Laura says- especially about the importance of family life and parents being there for their children.

However- in some of her books she advocates paying drug addicted women to be sterilized, and even hints at compulsory sterilization for crack addicted women who already have a lot of kids(at least I took it that way). I can understand why she thinks that way- I used to sorta think that way before I started inquiriing into the Catholic church. But Im totally opposed to that sort of thing now.

On the plus side, she says things that make lots of sense, and are good for the pro- family side.

I’m conservative- but I never agree 100% with any conservative commentator.
 
I just saw her nude photos on the web. Oh my gosh, you would think she would be more forgiving considering her checkered past!!
 
A friend of mine accused Dr. Laura of being a hyprocrite because of her past. It was suggested that in fact, she has re-formed her life. That’s a good thing.

Providing guidance to people who ask for help in the realm of moral theology is a separate issue. The Ten Commandments have not expired and she seems to have the ability to summarize complex issues. She also offers her advice and makes her interventions in the medium of radio, which poses a large number of constraints: Rule #1: NO DEAD AIR TIME. Rule #2: keep it moving right along quickly - no long winded discussions or people will turn their tuner.

Her advice is generally common sense, which appeals to listeners who are bombarded continuously on all sides by secular amoral or immoral negative suggestions, not mention sinful occasions.

And Dr. Laura picks up on very suble clues and cues extraordinarily quickly. After only about one sentence from a caller, she began berating the caller mercilessly. WHY??? Well, after two more sentences the caller admitted to having LIED to police and having made a FALSE POLICE report and having LIED in court. As a result a man was sent to prison for five years. Which in age of homosexual rape and AIDS, means a death sentence. And Dr. Laura was able to pick up on some suble thread in the caller’s voice quality, tonality, and wording, which led her to unravel the “mystery” in only a few seconds.

She may not be perfect (impeccible), but she does have a gift. As a result, literally millions of radio listeners, newsletter readers, book buyers, and Web site visitors appreciate it.
 
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bapcathluth:
I just saw her nude photos on the web. Oh my gosh, you would think she would be more forgiving considering her checkered past!!
Why are you going to look at nude photos?!! You are participating in a sin. At least out of respect for her having amended her life, we should all refrain from taking part in this shameful thing that man has done by publishing those pictures.

If anyone who’s done things to be ashamed of were thereby prevented from learning from his mistakes and warning others we’d be in a sorry state, indeed. We wouldn’t have some of our great saints, e.g. St. Augustine. This is what Jesus came to tell us. This is why we have confession. It’s the whole basis of our religion.
 
I saw Dr. Laura on TV a couple of days ago. She is going to do a one-woman show about her life, before a live audience. That takes courage. She said that she no longer has a relationship wih God, but lives as though she does. Is this a “dark night of the soul”? She is on a spiritual journey, and needs our prayers. IMHO.
 
I used to like listening to her BUT –

when the news broke about the sinfulness of some priests –

and yes, sinfulness it is –

YET – she would just keep HARPING AND HARPING

about HOW TERRIBLE ALL PRIESTS ARE!!

I just couldn’t stand it any more – to listen to her, I mean –

so after several weeks of her expanding the acts of some priests as being the fault of the ENTIRE Catholic Church – at every chance she got –

I just had HAD it… up to here!

And switched off that station whenever her radio show came on.

I’m just avoiding the near occassion of sin, here.

Barbara McGuigan is a MUCH better source of advice.

Most recent source is her being live on EWTN’s radio show Open Line on May 17, 2005:

ewtn.com/vondemand/audio/seriessearchprog.asp?pgnu=3&SeriesID=6725

Also VERY GOOD to listen to are Drs. Coleen Kelly Mast and Ray Guarendi –

catholic.com/radio/doctor.asp

to whom you can listen at:

avemariaradio.net/
 
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