Dr. Taylor Marshall and TradCatKnight

[newbiecrusader]

Anyone who knew these two youtube channels? They’re both advocates of traditional catholicism right? But are they not in one page? Seems like i heard tradcatknight say he doesnt like Dr Marshall and Matt. Im just wondering why tho

 

[benedictinehopeful]

I’m not sure what TradCatKnight’s reasons are, though I understand not particularly liking Dr Marshall. To be clear, I don’t doubt he (Dr. Marshall) is a faithful man who loves God and the Church, however I dislike the way he talks so negatively about the Pope and the hierarchy, and he can be pretty sensationalist. There’s a lot of rabble-rousing there.

 

[newbiecrusader]

Hmm I see. Yeah, tradcatknight also speaks negatively about the pope and vatican II… He said something about Dr Marshall being a pseudo trad thats why he doesnt like him…

 

[Crusader13]

I think TradCatKnight is one of those traditionalists that give other traditionalists a bad name. I used to subscribe to his Facebook page a few years ago but one day I ran across something that he posted which was very white supremacist in its tone. For the life of me I can’t remember exactly what it was but it had something to do with interracial marriage. At that point I lost all respect for him and that site and whatever else he was trying to promote.

Dr. Marshall on the other is a faithful Catholic and not to be confused with Sedevacantists or others that seem to promote disobedience or rebellion against the Pope. He is brutally honest against those in the papacy that have watered down the faith and he unapologetically wants to see a return to solid Catholic teaching based upon Tradition and Scripture.

I don’t view him as a sensationalist at all but his videos seem to rub some people the wrong way. He wrote a three volume series on the origins of Catholicism which is very good and deeply rooted in Catholic teaching. Highly recommend.

 

[newbiecrusader]

Yes, he’s been naming a few famous tradcath youtube channels he doesnt like, especially when they dont want to become an eagle (?) (as what he wants to call his subscribers/viewers) there is this video where he says dr marshall has invited him to join them, apparently tradcatknight doesnt want that, rather he wants dr marshall to join his “group” and not be a pseudo trad… I was kinda confused whats his point. I mean theyre both advocates of the same stuff and dislikes the same stuff.
Was actually disappointed when the news about amazon and pachamama came out… Then found out there were a lot of catholics against it too. Since then, I’ve been following channels and pages promoting tradition and latin masses… Im starting to love and admire gregorian chants and whats before Vatican II but im still unsure… Im thinking it might mean disobedience to the church (modern ways, novus ordo, etc) or to the effectivity of his papacy (Pope francis) ?
If you can shed some light, that would be great…

 

[Margaret_Ann]

I’d definitely stay away from sedevacantist “traditionalist” blogs/sites. Most traditional Catholics (unless they’re sedevacantist) pray for the Holy Father even though they disagree with him (e.g. the fiasco last October which you mentioned).

 

[Lysander]

The thing I wish more “traditional” Catholics like these two would do is talk more about traditional Catholic Devotions and stop pointing out the problems in the Church every episode. Also to pray for the leaders more, ‘TradCatKnight’ attacks the Holy Father and Vatican 2 with a hatred that is just off putting and doesn’t help ones faith and doesnt pray for our Church Leaders like how we should.

 

[Theban]

The thing I wish more “traditional” Catholics like these two would do is talk more about traditional Catholic Devotions and stop pointing out the problems in the Church every episode.

I agree that it isn’t normally a good thing to needlessly criticise or bring unwarranted attention to scandals, but I think we should remember the audience that people like Dr. Marshall attracts.

A lot of people are already aware of the problems that are discussed on some traditionalist channels, and have trouble reconciling them with the Catholic Faith. These people might find someone like Dr. Marshall in their confusion and be comforted that whatever scandal that is in question does not need to be a barrier to being a Catholic. And so people on the verge of becoming Sedevacantists or Orthodox for political reasons can be saved.

 

[newbiecrusader]

definitely agree with you. he sure does knew a lot, but pride must’ve taken him over, i dont know.?

 

[newbiecrusader]

you got me there. i did somehow find comfort from those channels knowing im not alone with my stand in those situations where the vatican seems to do away with the catholic teachings… but still, im gonna stay as a catholic. @Margaret_Ann @Lysander thanks. will pray for the Pope, and the Church instead.

 

[esieffe]

If they say not to go N.O. mass at all, that is when I hit the unsubscribe button. That feels a little too close to schism territory to me. .02

 

[newbiecrusader]

good one gov. yep, kinda like dr marshall’s videos explaining our ways and traditions as catholics (why we do this and that) if it wasnt for him, i wouldnt even know why we put veils on images/statues when holy week is near. my parents and our local catechists always give doubtful answers whenever i ask something about faith and tradition thanks you all, u’ve been great giving me insights!

 

[MagdalenaRita]

I also like Dr. Marshall’s videos. Sometimes I am not a fan of a particular guest or topic but you will have that with most anyone you might listen to.

I liked the video abou the veiling also. It was good information.

Here at CAF there are a few people that do not like Dr. Marshall so you will probably hear some comments in that direction also.

As (name removed by moderator) said, though, I would definitely not put Dr. Marshall on the same level as Eric Gajewski. In my experience, most traditionalists do not even have a lot of good to say about Eric Gajewski. He is very extreme.

 

[commenter]

Sola scriptura has had many years, and many practitioners, to “progress” in countless contradictory directions especially in the USA. Its flaws are now obvious to more people.

The Trad movement, or Solo Traditio, is much newer, with fewer practitioners. It sounds safer, more Catholic, less wiggle room. But once you get away from the current Magisterium, there’s a tendency to make yourself the magisterium.

Thus, the Trads will increasingly contradict not only the Magisterium but each other. It’s just at an earlier stage than Sola Scriptura.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

The Trad movement, or Solo Traditio

Is there someone in particular you are thinking of that teaches Solo Traditio?. I have never heard anyone speaking of that in any way, at least any one talking about Catholic Tradition today. I googled it and it only came up one other place and that was here at CAF and in absolute all charity it was a comment you had made.

I’m sorry I just don’t know of anyone who teaches solo Traditio. I most usually always hear Catholics, including those trying to keep our traditions alive today, explain authority this way. It is like a three legged stool - Pope, Scripture and Tradition. All three must work together. Without one or the other, the stool falls over. Catholics who are “traditionalists” are just trying to keep our centuries old Traditions alive, so the stool does not fall over but are not leaning on traditon alone. I would say that,sola Traditio, is a misconception of what is being said.

God bless

 

[phil19034]

Hmm I see. Yeah, tradcatknight also speaks negatively about the pope and vatican II… He said something about Dr Marshall being a pseudo trad thats why he doesnt like him…

Dr. Marshall attends a parish in FULL communion with the Pope. That is the reason he’s a considered a “pseudo trad” by Sedevacantists, etc.

Dr. Marshall 100% disagrees with the Sedevacantist position, and has been very vocal about why that position doesn’t work.

Therefore, he’s not going to be a friend of Sedevacantists nor Sede symphizers.

God Bless

 

[phil19034]

Yes. Taylor Marshall was EXTREMELY scandalized by the McCarrick situation. He has talked about how the research he did into Infiltration continued to shock him.

So I think he’s a very faithful Catholic, but also jaded by the power the “liberal” theologians received during the aftermath of the Second Vatican Council.

But Dr. Marshall will be the first to admit that the Second Vatican Council was NOT the source of the craziness in the Church. It started long before it, back in the 19th century, according to him.

 

[commenter]

Dr. Marshall attends a parish in FULL communion with the Pope. That is the reason he’s a considered a “pseudo trad” by Sedevacantists, etc.

Dr. Marshall’s media ministry is not in Communion with the Church. He references some sections of Pope St Pius X “Pascendi”
but not the sections of “Pascendi” that oppose what he is doing.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

Dr. Marshall attends a parish in FULL communion with the Pope. That is the reason he’s a considered a “pseudo trad” by Sedevacantists, etc.

Dr. Marshall’s media ministry is not in Communion with the Church. He references some sections of Pope St Pius X “Pascendi”
but not the sections of “Pascendi” that oppose what he is doing.

I’m sorry, but what does that have to do with my post? I wasn’t addressing his video blog (which can be counterproductive from time to time). However, that also isn’t his whole ministry. His New Saint Thomas Institute is still pretty inline with the Church.

Regardless, I was commenting on why Sedes and “SSPX Resistance” folk consider him to be a “pseudo traditionalist.”

I know which parish he attends (though I’m not going to post it here). He attends a parish that belongs to his local diocese, in 100% communion with the Holy Father. Sedes and Resistance folk consider Latin Masses in communion with the Pope (and even the SSPX) to be too liberal.

 

[Fauken]

I’m sorry I just don’t know of anyone who teaches solo Traditio.

I think he’s referring to trads who uphold the traditions of the Church to the extreme (sedevacantists, etc.). Even then the traditionalist movement as a whole doesn’t fall under the “Solo Traditio” umbrella, and labeling us with a name like one of Martin Luther’s heretical Five Solas without such a distinction is disingenuous. One can engage in the TLM and pre-Vatican II practices and still be in good standing. The same cannot be said for someone who upholds Sola Fide.