Dramatic move as Synod Fathers set out new pastoral care for gays, cohabiting couples and divorcees

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There is a difference between change for the sake of change and change because it is useful.
Depends what you mean by useful and to whom. I donate some of my clothes to others because they are no longer useful to me but are to others. But that’s not what is meant by mutatio gratia mutationis, which is more objective.
 
If I was facing excommunication this very moment for saying it, I would still have to say that the statement that gay Catholics’ orientation should be valued and that some elements of same-sex partnerships can be praised, is utterly wrong regardless of who supports that belief.
 
The wisdom emerging from the synod relates to a broader understanding of the faith of the “world under God” not subordinated to any human institution, including the Church herself. Pope Francis is the first of modern popes to attempt to “connect the dots” for the masses that the ultimate fulfillment of religion lies always beyond the boundary of the religion and the faith as presently understood (God is always bigger than our understanding). This uniquely Judeo-Christian perspective calls all Catholics to navigate in between the faith as understood (Truth) and world beyond as it actually is. That is ultimately what it means to “bear witness” in our tradition.

I’m encouraged by the principle of “gradualness” and their focus on keeping children front and center in the discussion. We are no doubt about to see the earth shift as the State becomes integral to family life now confronted with 3 parents in the cases of “gay marriages” - biological and legal. The synod tone appears to be faithfully on the side of touching and healing present day wounds instead of simply naming them.
 
The wisdom emerging from the synod relates to a broader understanding of the faith of the “world under God” not subordinated to any human institution, including the Church herself. Pope Francis is the first of modern popes to attempt to “connect the dots” for the masses that the ultimate fulfillment of religion lies always beyond the boundary of the religion and the faith as presently understood (God is always bigger than our understanding). This uniquely Judeo-Christian perspective calls all Catholics to navigate in between the faith as understood (Truth) and world beyond as it actually is. That is ultimately what it means to “bear witness” in our tradition.
That’s an interesting observation, considering that previous Popes have removed excommunications of divorce among other things and even lessened the gravity of certain sins like eating meat on Friday. Perhaps wisdom dictates that we start recognizing the consequences of what comes out of these ongoing discussions. For example, when Pope Paul VI had moral theologians discussing and voting positively on artificial birth control, priests and even bishops started allowing people to “use their consciences.” Seems like the final decision (HV) meant nothing to many as it was the process that changed their consciences in the first place. I’m not saying these discussions are worthless but perhaps we’re making them too transparent, for the lack of a better term.
 
The wisdom emerging from the synod relates to a broader understanding of the faith of the “world under God” not subordinated to any human institution, including the Church herself.
Redefining what the Church is.
765 **The Lord Jesus endowed his community with a structure **that will remain until the Kingdom is fully achieved. Before all else there is the choice of the Twelve with Peter as their head.168 Representing the twelve tribes of Israel, they are the foundation stones of the new Jerusalem.169 The Twelve and the other disciples share in Christ’s mission and his power, but also in his lot.170 By all his actions, Christ prepares and builds his Church.
766 **The Church is born primarily of Christ’s total self-giving **for our salvation, anticipated in the institution of the Eucharist and fulfilled on the cross. "The origin and growth of the Church are symbolized by the blood and water which flowed from the open side of the crucified Jesus."171 "For it was from the side of Christ as he slept the sleep of death upon the cross that there came forth the ‘wondrous sacrament of the whole Church.’"172 As Eve was formed from the sleeping Adam’s side, so **the Church was born from the pierced heart of Christ hanging dead on the cross.**173
 
I’m encouraged by the principle of “gradualness” and their focus on keeping children front and center in the discussion. We are no doubt about to see the earth shift as the State becomes integral to family life now confronted with 3 parents in the cases of “gay marriages” - biological and legal. The synod tone appears to be faithfully on the side of touching and healing present day wounds instead of simply naming them.
Yes let’s hope children can be protected.
As the breakdown of the family has escalated too many of them have ended up in emergency rooms and morgues, abused by cohabitating males who are committed to no one and nothing.
Too many have been molested by people with disordered sexual tendencies of all kinds.

70 million children have been slaughtered because the family has become less important that lifestyle, money, convenience.
Let that sink in while you deliberate what’s best for children…70 million children.
 
If I was facing excommunication this very moment for saying it, I would still have to say that the statement that gay Catholics’ orientation should be valued and that some elements of same-sex partnerships can be praised, is utterly wrong regardless of who supports that belief.
So why would some say “that gay Catholics’ orientation should be valued and that some elements of same-sex partnerships can be praised”? Isn’t that ushering in gay marriage? And also, what about the teachings of the Church. Are they going to look over the teachings of the Church about homosexuality and gay marriage? Not read certain passages from the Bible now at Mass? I mean, where does this lead? I wish lay people had more leverage in this.

Also, to the post above me, we shouldn’t be changing our stances because secularism has changed it stance(s). Y’know?
 
Well, here Paul says homosexuality is the result of divine punishment for idolatry. Is he right? Or could it be that he had no idea about biology or genes, and shared the prejudices of his own culture and religion? In fact, the the CCC directly contradicts him, because it says that the genesis of homosexuality is largely unexplained. Not so according to the “Infallible” Paul 🙂
‘Genetic causes’ do not merely undermine Saint Paul, who our faith says was inspired by the Holy Ghost, but it also undermines moral responsibility, the concept of free will and of free moral agency.

Sounds like a huge theological price to pay to be with the cool kids.
 
Perhaps in your experience.
But in my experience, every Catholic that I know who has “left” the church does so because they feel and think the doctrines are faulty.

It doesn’t make sense to leave because the rules are “too hard”.
You think people would willingly and rather choose to burn in the fires of hell for all of eternity…instead of following some of the Church rules?

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I agree that people who are struggling with Catholicism to be hard or difficult, and that people who have left the church find its doctrines in some respect faulty.

Now, shall we review basic addition as well? Are we agreed that 1+1=2?

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For example, when Pope Paul VI had moral theologians discussing and voting positively on artificial birth control, priests and even bishops started allowing people to “use their consciences.” .
Does that continue even today?
 
Thank you for proving my statement:
Your first paragraph is talking about homosexual acts, not orientation.
Your second paragraph says “objectively”–not “intrinsically”.

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And what does the difference in the two phrases mean to you?

Not sure I would pin my eternal fate to such slim threads.
 
hotair.com/archives/2014/10/14/synod-diary-projection-walkback-and-the-media/

“Napier in particular stressed that the media understanding of the relatio was significantly distanced from the discussion that had taken place in the Synod itself. He specified paragraph #24 as an example, which read that the synod had been in “agreement” on pastoral needs, when no agreement had been reached or even request as of yet. Napier noted that the topics are of great interest and subject to misunderstanding on their own, but that people appear to be projecting their own agendas on the relatio and its language. In particular, the paragraphs on homosexuality did not reflect “at all” the tenor of the conversation in the small group session today, according to Napier. When asked if he was “disowning” the document, Napier said they were “working” on the document — and that each passage will be up for a vote for inclusion or change.”
 
Most divorced and remarried Catholics that I know still go to church and take communion even though their marriages have not been annulled. Maybe we don’t see the discrimination because people aren’t open about who they are and what they are doing. If I was gay, married and having all kinds of gay sex, but I wasn’t open about it, would anyone stop me from going to communion? Would there be open confrontation or discrimination if I never revealed myself as gay or divorced to my parish? Don’t ask, don’t tell saves a lot of people from “difficult times.”
My wife stopped being an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion because, as long time members of our parish, she knew the people in irregular marriages, used birth control, etc, and she grieved when they continually presented themselves for Holy Communion.

How did she know? She is not a busybody. People told her! You’d be surprised at the things people say while sorting clothes for the poor or arranging school supplies.

So, here we have people in irregular situations proudly disclosing that they are flaunting Church rules. I guess there are people piously refraining from going to Communion, but I certainly don’t see them. Each pew empties out in turn as we go up at our parish.
 
My wife stopped being an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion because, as long time members of our parish, she knew the people in irregular marriages, used birth control, etc, and she grieved when they continually presented themselves for Holy Communion.

How did she know? She is not a busybody. People told her! You’d be surprised at the things people say while sorting clothes for the poor or arranging school supplies.

So, here we have people in irregular situations proudly disclosing that they are flaunting Church rules. I guess there are people piously refraining from going to Communion, but I certainly don’t see them. Each pew empties out in turn as we go up at our parish.
Jesus did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.
 
First…we are all sinners. Second, Jesus came for all of us…not only the sinners that “adhere” to Church rules.
Are you saying that the printed guidelines for reception of Holy Communion found in most misallettes are void and should be entirely disregarded?
 
Are you saying that the printed guidelines for reception of Holy Communion found in most misallettes are void and should be entirely disregarded?
No, simply that this is a problem of the human institution. In Matthew’s gospel Jesus himself says Go and learn the meaning of the words, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.”
 
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