Dreading the holidays with parents

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My family has never been terrible, but…my mother and I just do not get along very well. Last Christmas (last time I saw them) was pretty rough. But in any case, this Christmas season - I just chose to take some time off work/school for medical reasons, leaving me likely having to take out a small loan so I don’t have to get another job right away. My mother is going to be furious (1) that I’m considering debt, (2) that I’m taking time off for something that’s “not that big a deal”, (3) that I’m taking time off and not spending any of it at home where she can take care of me, and (4) that I didn’t consult her for any of this. I typically try to avoid talking with her about health because she tries to fix it in entirely unhelpful ways, and won’t be persuaded otherwise by either me or by a professional opinion. Usually her fixes are less about my actual health and more about changing things that she personally dislikes about me.

I need to play nice because I need to stay on my parents’ insurance. I have no idea how to handle her anymore though. Last Christmas I basically came home and cried. Being nice doesn’t help; not engaging with her doesn’t help - it just escalates things. Nothing seems to help except doing exactly what she says all the time. I don’t know what to do anymore other than go home and sit there and hope the panic attacks stay hidden.
 
Couldn’t you just not tell her about your loan? And then if she asks what you are doing for money during your non-working time, you could just say that you are managing fine and not to worry. If you are an adult, you don’t need to take your parents into your confidence about every aspect of your life, especially if it is going to cause needless conflict.

All my parents know about my finances is that I’m financially independent, doing fine, and they don’t need to worry. I don’t tell them anything else. Sometimes they probe for more information, but I just gently refuse to answer. Of course, this only works if you are financially independent of your parents.
 
I am not sure what your situation is but I know there is an old saying, “He who pays the piper, gets to call the tune”.

Why are you on your parents’ health insurance and are you in the position of getting your own?
 
Couldn’t you just not tell her about your loan? And then if she asks what you are doing for money during your non-working time, you could just say that you are managing fine and not to worry. If you are an adult, you don’t need to take your parents into your confidence about every aspect of your life, especially if it is going to cause needless conflict.
Unfortunately my worry is that telling her about time off means she’ll pry. Not taking her into my confidence on something like this will cause a firestorm - she won’t be happy unless I give her a detailed plan on how I’m going to manage, and even then she’ll be upset that I’m taking time off for “something that shouldn’t be an issue.” It’s mental health related, and my mother has been insisting that if I’d just “work harder and be more confident” it wouldn’t be a problem.
All my parents know about my finances is that I’m financially independent, doing fine, and they don’t need to worry. I don’t tell them anything else. Sometimes they probe for more information, but I just gently refuse to answer. Of course, this only works if you are financially independent of your parents.
This is sort of difficult. I’m mostly independent and earning a decent income for a young adult, but because of the extra medical issues I need their help to at least provide decent insurance.
 
I am not sure what your situation is but I know there is an old saying, “He who pays the piper, gets to call the tune”.

Why are you on your parents’ health insurance and are you in the position of getting your own?
Unfortunately what’s on offer to me would only provide 6 visits per year for what I need. And I need to be seen at least weekly and probably more often than that.

It’s stupid - I’m really too sick to be working full-time, but apparently not sick enough to qualify for government aid. Hence why I end up leaning on my parents, because I can’t take care of myself and no one else will do anything at all.
 
OK. I understand.
And no I am not judging you.

I think you need to sit down with a trusted advisor and do a personal inventory. You need to really look at your relationship with your Mom and try to drill down as to the causes and conditions.

I was taught to do it like this:

I am resentful/mad at:

My Mom

Why:

she is mean. she manipulates. she pushes me around. she doesn’t like anything about me. she thinks I am stupid and demands I do things her way. She nags me and criticizes every thing about me. She never approves of me.

How does that make me feel? what injuries does it cause me?

Inadequate, fearful, panicky. It affects self-esteem, my pride, my ambitions. It makes me want to hide or curl up in a ball and cry. I feel ‘less than’ around her, as though I do not matter. It makes me feel like I cannot do anything right. It causes me to internalize my anger and I get depressed. I want to stop interacting with people. I want to tell her to shut the heck up but I can’t because I need her financial support right now and that makes me feel even more inadequate and trapped. I feel helpless.

What is my part in it?

I put way too much emphasis on what she says and does rather than trying to rely upon God. I listen to her tone of voice rather than her words and I “react” rather than allowing her criticism to simply roll off my back. I forget that she is trying to control me because she honestly thinks her way is better for me, that her motives are good but her methods stink. I have never stood up to her in a consistent manner so that she can see I love her, value her but am not run over by her.

The above is just a little example of one way to approach the problem. I am also going to suggest you rent and watch an old movie - Now Voyager.

Bette Davis…

Truly…it may help.👍
 
Unfortunately my worry is that telling her about time off means she’ll pry. Not taking her into my confidence on something like this will cause a firestorm - she won’t be happy unless I give her a detailed plan on how I’m going to manage, and even then she’ll be upset that I’m taking time off for “something that shouldn’t be an issue.” It’s mental health related, and my mother has been insisting that if I’d just “work harder and be more confident” it wouldn’t be a problem.

This is sort of difficult. I’m mostly independent and earning a decent income for a young adult, but because of the extra medical issues I need their help to at least provide decent insurance.
In that case, I think you should tell her what’s going on, but present it as an adult decision that you have made. Reassure her that you will be responsible for your debt by yourself (and will not ask them for help in replayment), and that you feel that this time off is necessary for your health. If your doctors have also advised this break from work/school, you can mention that too. If she belittles your condition, it might be helpful to have some information to give her that explains why the condition is more serious than she thinks. (WebMD is good for this.) If she persists in discussing the situation, I think you just have to say, gently, that though you love her, your decision is not open for discussion. Ask her to please respect your decision.

The goal here is to demonstrate to her that you are handling your treatment for this condition in a mature, adult way and that the time off is part of this.
 
In that case, I think you should tell her what’s going on, but present it as an adult decision that you have made. Reassure her that you will be responsible for your debt by yourself (and will not ask them for help in replayment), and that you feel that this time off is necessary for your health. If your doctors have also advised this break from work/school, you can mention that too. If she belittles your condition, it might be helpful to have some information to give her that explains why the condition is more serious than she thinks. (WebMD is good for this.) If she persists in discussing the situation, I think you just have to say, gently, that though you love her, your decision is not open for discussion. Ask her to please respect your decision.

The goal here is to demonstrate to her that you are handling your treatment for this condition in a mature, adult way and that the time off is part of this.
I did that last time something this came up. She told me if it was that serious I should be in the hospital and not out pretending to be an adult, and that if I wouldn’t discuss it with her and let her be involved she wouldn’t help me out at all. I told her it wasn’t up for discussion and she stood there and screamed and cried about how I didn’t love her and was too immature to be making decisions on my own if I wouldn’t even talk to my mother. Plus she’s got a couple other reasons on hand why I’m not mature enough - the biggest one being that I’m not “right with God” according to her particular denomination. I haven’t even told her about Catholicism, but I’m sure it would be further proof of my immaturity.
 
Yeah you got a lot on your plate. Try the inventory and then go get the movie.

It is worth a look.
 
I did that last time something this came up. She told me if it was that serious I should be in the hospital and not out pretending to be an adult, and that if I wouldn’t discuss it with her and let her be involved she wouldn’t help me out at all. I told her it wasn’t up for discussion and she stood there and screamed and cried about how I didn’t love her and was too immature to be making decisions on my own if I wouldn’t even talk to my mother. Plus she’s got a couple other reasons on hand why I’m not mature enough - the biggest one being that I’m not “right with God” according to her particular denomination. I haven’t even told her about Catholicism, but I’m sure it would be further proof of my immaturity.
Hmm… that sounds tough. If you’re in therapy, your best bet might be to discuss all this with your therapist and work out a plan with him/her about how to deal with your mother this Christmas.

At the same time, keep looking for ways to seperate financially from your parents. If insurance coverage of psychotherapy is the issue, then look into community mental health facilities that provide such services at low cost or even free, depending on income. Catholic Charities might also provide these kind of services. I know someone on a very modest income who gets weekly psychotherapy for $40/session, which is very reasonable.
 
I did that last time something this came up. She told me if it was that serious I should be in the hospital and not out pretending to be an adult, and that if I wouldn’t discuss it with her and let her be involved she wouldn’t help me out at all. I told her it wasn’t up for discussion and she stood there and screamed and cried about how I didn’t love her and was too immature to be making decisions on my own if I wouldn’t even talk to my mother. Plus she’s got a couple other reasons on hand why I’m not mature enough - the biggest one being that I’m not “right with God” according to her particular denomination. I haven’t even told her about Catholicism, but I’m sure it would be further proof of my immaturity.
:console:Oh bless your heart!!! We moms, we worry. Some of us worry with the best of intentions, and some of us worry for some not-so-good intentions. I am so very sorry that you have such a strained relationship with your mom, and she puts such undue pressure on your shoulders. I don’t have any advice to give. I just wanted to say that my heart was breaking for you as I read this post. I’m praying so hard for you and your family.
 
I hate to suggest this but could you skip the visit. Or, just visit for a few hours with other company?

Otherwise, I don’t think you are required to share any of the details of your life with your parents. Vague answers and redirections should suffice.

Sending prayers for peace and comfort and healing.:gopray2:
 
:console:Oh bless your heart!!! We moms, we worry. Some of us worry with the best of intentions, and some of us worry for some not-so-good intentions. I am so very sorry that you have such a strained relationship with your mom, and she puts such undue pressure on your shoulders. I don’t have any advice to give. I just wanted to say that my heart was breaking for you as I read this post. I’m praying so hard for you and your family.
Thanks. It’s a very complicated situation. I think she really wants to help, but also doesn’t want to admit that things went pretty badly wrong in the past (under her watch). I’m the only child and she was a sahm, I think somewhere along the line she tied her worth to how I turn out. I understand, but I have to take care of my own life and health first. I can’t be the perfect daughter she wants, for many reasons. I’m not her and my life can’t be about her.
I hate to suggest this but could you skip the visit. Or, just visit for a few hours with other company?

Otherwise, I don’t think you are required to share any of the details of your life with your parents. Vague answers and redirections should suffice.

Sending prayers for peace and comfort and healing.:gopray2:
It’s halfway across the country, so we’re talking about flying out and back. It’s the only time of the year I see them.
 
Would it help to call in advance and to say, 'When I come home I would like to be treated like an adult, and with respect. Let her answer. If it sounds disagreeable, then try, “If that is too difficult for you then I will have to skip this Holiday. If I come and feel disrespected I may choose to leave early.” Basicly if it gets ugly you can walk. you don’t need to get angry, or try to justify yourself. Just calmly leave. You may choose to leave the house for a few hours or end the visit. It is up to you! Let her throw a tantrum on her own.

It is your job to honor & respect her. That means talk politely, and respectfully. It is not your job to submit to an obsessive need to control you! It is not your job to make her “happy.” It is not your job to make her be reasonable. You can’t make her…anything. She decides how she will act. ** Her behavior is her problem**.

You get to decide how you will act. It is a loving act to remove yourself from emotional abuse, controling, name calling, manipulating… If you consistantly end contact when her behavior gets ugly, It is very likely that over time, she will see the pattern. When she whips out a can of bitchitude, you will walk! That won’t give her any satisfaction, so she may begin to modify her behavior.

Saying prayers for you sister
 
Thanks. It’s a very complicated situation. I think she really wants to help, but also doesn’t want to admit that things went pretty badly wrong in the past (under her watch). I’m the only child and she was a sahm, I think somewhere along the line she tied her worth to how I turn out. I understand, but I have to take care of my own life and health first. I can’t be the perfect daughter she wants, for many reasons. I’m not her and my life can’t be about her.
First I have to say, all of this time I thought you were a guy. 😊

Okay, first you have already said before that your mother doesn’t respect normal boundaries. She really puts her nose in your business. But you have also said before, and here that your health insurance is through your parent’s policy. Do you pay for that insurance? Generally there is an increased cost going from husband/wife coverage to family. Are you paying that difference? Is that insurance carried by your mother or your father? If it is through your dad, would he take you off of the insurance if your mom got upset at you?

So, if they pay for it and it is through your mom or if your dad would take you off because you upset your mom, then there isn’t much you can do. Other than maybe find insurance on your own.

If you pay for it and your dad would keep you on it as long as he can without regard to your mom’s feelings, then heck, tell it to her like it is.
It’s halfway across the country, so we’re talking about flying out and back. It’s the only time of the year I see them.
Is there a way to stay with someone else, and just visit your parents?
 
My family has never been terrible, but…my mother and I just do not get along very well. Last Christmas (last time I saw them) was pretty rough. But in any case, this Christmas season - I just chose to take some time off work/school for medical reasons, leaving me likely having to take out a small loan so I don’t have to get another job right away. My mother is going to be furious (1) that I’m considering debt, (2) that I’m taking time off for something that’s “not that big a deal”, (3) that I’m taking time off and not spending any of it at home where she can take care of me, and (4) that I didn’t consult her for any of this. I typically try to avoid talking with her about health because she tries to fix it in entirely unhelpful ways, and won’t be persuaded otherwise by either me or by a professional opinion. Usually her fixes are less about my actual health and more about changing things that she personally dislikes about me.

I need to play nice because I need to stay on my parents’ insurance. I have no idea how to handle her anymore though. Last Christmas I basically came home and cried. Being nice doesn’t help; not engaging with her doesn’t help - it just escalates things. Nothing seems to help except doing exactly what she says all the time. I don’t know what to do anymore other than go home and sit there and hope the panic attacks stay hidden.
Oh how so many of us wish our (even difficult to get along with) parents were still alive just to spend the holidays, or any days with. Count your blessings, and just rejoice in having her!
 
Oh how so many of us wish our (even difficult to get along with) parents were still alive just to spend the holidays, or any days with. Count your blessings, and just rejoice in having her!
I’m trying, but…honestly some days I wish she’d just hit me so I’d have a good reason to call her out on it and leave. I don’t feel like we even have a relationship anymore.
 
I’m trying, but…honestly some days I wish she’d just hit me so I’d have a good reason to call her out on it and leave.
Even then, what would you do about the health insurance? It sounds like that’s the only thing still holding you down.
 
Even then, what would you do about the health insurance? It sounds like that’s the only thing still holding you down.
Yeah I know. It’s just…this is the problem I get in real life a lot, you know? Getting told I should just be grateful no matter how badly she treats me…she holds it over me when she gives me things. She’ll give me money or time, so long as she doesn’t have to sacrifice her idea of a perfect family. If you’ve never lived with that sort of person, it’s hard to understand what it’s like, how someone can come across so sacrifical and caring and be so hurtful. That’s the whole problem, really.
 
Okay, I see that this is a complicated matter, or, anyway, seems to be.

So, how could a stranger really address all this?

Still, I offer these pearls of wisdom. At least I hope they are pearls, for you:

(1) Accept your mother as she is: Screwed up. Imperfect. Neurotic. Disturbed.

(2) Accept your self as you are: Screwed up. Imperfect. Neurotic. Disturbed.

(3) Do nothing to improve, change, help or save your mom.

(4) Do everything in your power to improve, change, help and save yourself.

(5) Get help for working on yourself, if it is available or affordable to you. It could be professional help, or non-professional. Just remember, you are working on getting yourself somewhat un-screwed up, not your mother. She is not your job. She can work on herself, if she wants, but you can’t. Your only job is to accept her as she is, and be a decent and courteous daughter to a mother who created you. Believe it or not, it is possible to be basically decent and courteous even to people are very rude, pushy, nosy, controlling, demanding. It is a learned skill. So learn it.

(6) Practice seeing your in your mind your mother as a weak, sad, pathetic, old and sick person. This will enable you to feel pity for her pain, and will enable you to not feel so weak and vulnerable in her presence. Be sympathetic and empathetic to her. Realize that she really is worried about you, even though everything she is doing to try to help you perhaps is only making things worse.

(7) Sometimes obsessing about the evil that other people do is a way of directing our attention away from the wrong or weak choices we ourselves have made or are making. We focus on the derangement of other people so we don’t have to address our own derangement. Yes, other people around us are deranged. But so what? That’s never the issue. That’s never the real source of our suffering. Our own choices about our actions and attitudes are the real source of our suffering.

It feels good to blame others. Others do a lot deserving of blame. Yet, blaming others solves nothing.

(8) Make other relationships. Sometimes we obsess about the evil that people in our family of origin are doing or not doing because we have no significant relationships outside of our family of origin. Once we are in adulthood, we are meant to mainly leave the nest and make our own relationships. Even if you can’t do that for real right now, you can get some psychic relief by imagining that you have a significant relationship outside of your mom. You could imagine that actress Kristen Stewart is your best friend, and is super supportive of you, and is making you loans, etc.

(9) Practice gratitude. It really helps. Tell everyone thank you, all the time, with sincerity, even if they only are a little helpful. Tell you mom “Thanks” all the time, and really mean it. Tell GOD all the time thanks for any and every little good thing in your life. This is not brainwashing. I’m not suggesting that you stop trying to make thing better. But it helps to make things better by feeling grateful for whatever good things are already coming to you.

(10) Get the book “The Tools” by Stutz and Michels. I think you’ll find some psychological “tools” in there that will help you move forward to better times and feeling better. It is not a Catholic book, but it talks about a “higher power” that seems consistent with Catholic principles.

(11) “I’m taking care of business, Mom.” You might try using that phrase to avoid talking about things when others pry. Elvis Presley had TCB on his belt buckle, and on the tail of his airplane. “Taking Care of Business” was his motto. It might be possible for you to just say, “I’m taking care of business, Mom,” and then stick to your guns and refuse to say anymore, except to repeat “I’m taking care of business.” You’d be surprised that people will give up after a while. Sometimes.

(12) Become a master of changing the subject. Become a master of coming up with reasons to suddenly leave the room.

(13) Don’t even think about cutting off your mom. She may be hurtful, but don’t cut her off. Yes, you can limit contact. But, please in the name of all that is Holy, do not do a cut off.

(14) I recommend the book “Mental Health Through Will Training,” by Abraham Low, M.D. It’s a terrible title. But it is full of principles and ideas that can bring sanity to a person. You may be able to find a free support group that meets to practice the methods in that book. Go to here to find a meeting: lowselfhelpsystems.org/meetings/find-a-meeting.asp

The people at the meetings tend to be senior citizens. Don’t let that bother you. In my area, many of the meetings are held at Catholic parish buildings, and all the meeting times are listed in our Catholic newspaper. It is not a Catholic program, but it is compatible with Catholic principles. Basically, it gives you psychological tools to calm yourself down and not be so anxious, nervous, angry, fearful, neurotic. It really works.

(15) To be honest, I’m not your parent, yet I’m worried about you. Please don’t just drift along, or try to flee your troubles. The world really doesn’t respond well to that approach. You really need to face and take on your troubles head on, somehow, with help if it is available, or without help if it is not available.

God bless you.
 
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