Dresden riots: Protesters in Germany attack refugee buses shouting 'foreigners out'

[FollowChrist34]

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dresden-riots-protesters-in-germany-attack-refugee-buses-shouting-foreigners-out-10467287.html

Up to 1,000 protesters have clashed with police in eastern Germany in riots reportedly sparked by the arrival of 250 migrants.

Police said protesters shouting “foreigners out” and carrying banners against the “asylum flood” threw bottles and stones at busloads of asylum seekers arriving in Heidenau, near Dresden.

At least 31 officers were hurt in violent scuffles as police used tear gas to disperse crowds.

Paging Donald Trump. Paging Donald Trump.

Seriously, immigration is such a difficult issue - the dilemma Western nations have between their moral obligation to compassion to the stranger and showing compassion to their own people and their culture, their very existence. Love one’s neighbor as oneself as they say.

At some point we need to look to helping more at the sources of the problems, direct more energy to these nations fixing themselves. I seriously believe we have to relieve this mounting pressure on the West - responsibly. There have to be limits or all hell will break loose.

 

[philipl]

Europe has been overwhelmed with refugees. It is time for the US to take in a few million refugees and help out with this problem.

Sorry we have our own problems here in the US.

 

[Tomdstone]

Sorry we have our own problems here in the US.

Then why didn’t the Americans take care of their own problems in the US rather than go and invade Iraq and cause the displacement of millions of people in the middle east?

 

[Path_Finder]

Then why didn’t the Americans take care of their own problems in the US rather than go and invade Iraq and cause the displacement of millions of people in the middle east?

Because Iraq wasn’t honoring the nuclear agreements; but the fault of the displaced millions is the lack of responsibility by the big abortion supporting President Obama and the support by Syria, sponsored by Putin and Russia and Iran in insurgencies in Iraq.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Because Iraq wasn’t honoring the nuclear agreements; but the fault of the displaced millions is the lack of responsibility by the big abortion supporting President Obama and the support by Syria, sponsored by Putin and Russia and Iran in insurgencies in Iraq.

What? Saddam certainly was not in violation of the nuclear agreement. You cannot possibly blame Obama for the refugee crisis.

 

[Path_Finder]

What? Saddam certainly was not in violation of the nuclear agreement. You cannot possibly blame Obama for the refugee crisis.

Yes, Obama has a great responsibility in the refugee crisis, independent former Lt. Colonel Ralph Peters says so among the deluge of voices that say so, perhaps one can take it up with a former military man. I’ll trust his opinion. Also that of General Austin Lloyd who wished for troops to stay in the theater of operations.

As for Saddam not being in violation of the nuclear agreement and inspections:

**FACT SHEET ON SADDAM’S DEFIANCE
OF UN RESOLUTIONS

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
**
March 20, 2003

Saddam Hussein’s Defiance of UNSCRs

Over the past 12 years, Iraq has violated more than seventeen United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCRs) and remains in material breach of disarmament obligations. The Iraqi regime has also sought to circumvent economic sanctions. The UNSCRs required that Iraq declare and divest itself, under international supervision, of weapons of mass destruction and related programs, delivery systems and ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers; not commit acts of international terrorism, or allow others who commit such acts to operate in Iraqi territory; account for missing Kuwaitis and other individuals; return stolen Kuwaiti property and bear financial liability for damage from the Gulf War; and end repression of the Iraqi people.

iraqwatch.org/government/US/State/state-iraqres-032003.htm

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Yes, Obama has a great responsibility in the refugee crisis, independent former Lt. Colonel Ralph Peters says so among the deluge of voices that say so, perhaps one can take it up with a former military man. I’ll trust his opinion. Also that of General Austin Lloyd who wished for troops to stay in the theater of operations.

As for Saddam not being in violation of the nuclear agreement and inspections:

iraqwatch.org/government/US/State/state-iraqres-032003.htm

Removing Saddam in the first place is what allowed ISIS to evolve and thrive as the organization it is today. Staying in Iraq forever was never an option, but the timing of our departure was decided by the Iraqi government. I suggest you read the ISG report on the status of Saddam’s nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs. I can summarize it by noting that the nuclear program was discontinued and he destroyed his stockpiles of chemical and biological programs. About the only thing anyone could pin on him was his rocket/missile program. Certainly not worth going to war over.

 

[Path_Finder]

Removing Saddam in the first place is what allowed ISIS to evolve and thrive as the organization it is today. I suggest you read the ISG report on the status of Saddam’s nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs. I can summarize it by noting that the nuclear program was discontinued and he destroyed his stockpiles of chemical and biological agents. About the only thing anyone could pin on him was his rocket/missile program. Certainly not worth going to war over.

Sorry, George Bush was out of office for 3 or more years before we ever heard of ISIS. Oh, sure, blame someone who had not been president for years.

2ndly, there is no way one can avoid that the refugees out of Libya are largely due to the US doing the heavy lifting in that theater.

The administration and plenty of others, likewise had a lot to do with all of the turmoil by endorsing the Arab spring and Mubarak being overthrown.

The administration has inadvertently helped the bad guys a lot and may be doing this again with the Iran agreement.

Iraq was under sanctions that organizations like anti-war.com say killed many children and that was during the Clinton administration.

It certainly seems silly to claim Saddam was not in the violation of agreements when Iraq was under sanctions for exactly that.

 

[Path_Finder]

President Obama ignored the advice of his generals, his own advisers as to withdrawing for Iraq, likewise, Clinton’s role in addition in Libya has had troubling results as well.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Sorry, George Bush was out of office for 3 or more years before we ever heard of ISIS. Oh, sure, blame someone who had not been president for years.

Perhaps you hadn’t heard of it, but ISIS existed under another name before Bush’s war.It was largely kept in check by Saddam and it was his removal that enabled their rise to power. They played a major role in the insurgency and their military strategy is the product of former Republican Guard officers and Baathists who joined them over the years after the Iraqi army was disbanded.

2ndly, there is no way one can avoid that the refugees out of Libya are largely due to the US doing the heavy lifting in that theater.

The refugees out of Libya are the result of civil war. We aren’t the ones who plunged them into it.

The administration and plenty of others, likewise had a lot to do with all of the turmoil by endorsing the Arab spring and Mubarak being overthrown.

The removal of Mubarak was an inevitability and Obama did what any wise American President would do. Particularly when faced with the fact that the tools of a doomed regime’s oppression were known to have been supplied by the United States.

The administration has inadvertently helped the bad guys a lot and may be doing this again with the Iran agreement.

People need to stop pretending that sanctions and isolation do anything meaningful when it comes to nuclear non-proliferation. The options are to operate under that delusion and watch them develop nuclear weapons from afar like we did with North Korea, try diplomacy, or go to war.

Iraq was under sanctions that organizations like anti-war.com say killed many children and that was during the Clinton administration.
It certainly seems silly to claim Saddam was not in the violation of agreements when Iraq was under sanctions for exactly that.

Saddam wasn’t doing anything that outweighed his usefulness as a buffer against Iran and Islamic extremism. He certainly was not in posession of chemical or biological weapons and was not running a nuclear program.

 

[Path_Finder]

Lawlessness has really occurred in a variety of ways during this administration, with illegal aliens, one is in denial to think the administration that doesn’t enforce the law has no responsibility when an illegal is let go.

Chris Cristie is making this point in a new video and ISIS is the same way, nobody ever heard of them until 2013 if not actually last year. A shameful chapter in American history when leaving behind a contingent of security and intelligence could have likely avoided the mayhem ISIS is leaving as many experts attest to.

So, it is a well taken point that quite a few disastrous events are happening under this administration, trust the Iran deal? We may look back and think, like other things, it was a good idea at the time.

Chris Christie Features ISIS Propaganda In New Campaign Ad

A new presidential campaign ad for New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) features images taken from Islamic State propaganda videos, marking a growing trend among Republican candidates seeking to attack President Barack Obama.

*The 30-second campaign video, “Law Enforcer,” was released on Monday. Christie lists a series of examples of “lawlessness in America and around the world” during Obama’s presidency. He intones that these acts of lawlessness include “ISIS beheading Christians" as stills of the Islamic State’s flag and militants poised to behead prisoners appear on screen. *

In addition to featuring images of the Islamic State, Christie’s new ad contains other graphic photos to support his argument that Obama has enabled crimes committed by undocumented immigrants, a rise in heroin abuse and Iran’s acquisition of a nuclear weapon.

The New Jersey governor then promises to reverse these trends as commander in chief.

“We need a strong law enforcer as president,” he concludes. “Someone who says what he means, and means what he says.”

huffingtonpost.com/entry/chris-christie-isis-campaign_55db2c83e4b08cd3359c88ad?kvcommref=mostpopular

 

[Path_Finder]

Perhaps you hadn’t heard of it, but ISIS existed under another name before Bush’s war.It was largely kept in check by Saddam and it was his removal that enabled their rise to power. They played a major role in the insurgency and their military strategy is the product of former Republican Guard officers and Baathists who joined them over the years after the Iraqi army was disbanded.

The refugees out of Libya are the result of civil war. We aren’t the ones who plunged them into it.

The removal of Mubarak was an inevitability and Obama did what any wise American President would do. Particularly when faced with the fact that the tools of a doomed regime’s oppression were known to have been supplied by the United States.

People need to stop pretending that sanctions and isolation do anything meaningful when it comes to nuclear non-proliferation. The options are to operate under that delusion and watch them develop nuclear weapons from afar like we did with North Korea, try diplomacy, or go to war.

Saddam wasn’t doing anything that outweighed his usefulness as a buffer against Iran and Islamic extremism. He certainly was not in posession of chemical or biological weapons and was not running a nuclear program.

We needed to tell the UN that, they are the ones who slapped him with sanctions.

Furthermore, here is Clinton defending against the claim the sanctions were killing children

AMY GOODMAN: President Clinton, UN figures show that up to 5,000 children a month die in Iraq because of the sanctions against Iraq.

PRESIDENT CLINTON: (Overlap) That’s not true. That’s not true. And that’s not what they show. Let me just tell you something. Before the sanctions, the year before the Gulf War, you said this … how much money did Iraq earn from oil? Answer - $16 billion. How much money did Iraq earn last year from oil? How much money did they get, cash on the barrel head, to Saddam Hussein? Answer - $19 billion that he can use exclusively for food, for medicine, to develop his country. He’s got more money now, $3 billion a year more than he had nine years ago.

If any child is without food or medicine or a roof over his or her head in Iraq, it’s because he is claiming the sanctions are doing it and sticking it to his own children. We have worked like crazy to make sure that the embargo only applies to his ability to reconstitute his weapon system and his military statement. This is a guy who butchered the children of his own country, who were Kurds, who were Shi’ites.

He used chemical weapons on his own people, and he is now lying to the world and claiming the mean old United States is killing his children. He has more money today than he did before the embargo, and if they’re hungry or they are not getting medicine, it is his own fault.

globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/170/41910.html

So, this is how it works, Obama gets credit for Bin Laden being killed in 2011 but it’s Bush’s fault when we hear of ISIS the first time in 2013 for most of us if not all, 4 years after he leaves office. Hmmn.

 

[Tomdstone]

October 2006 - AQI leader Abu Ayyub al-Masri announces the creation of Islamic State in Iraq (ISI), and establishes Abu Omar al-Baghdadi as its leader.
See:
cnn.com/2014/08/08/world/isis-fast-facts/

 

[Darryl1958]

ISIS has existed by another name since the very beginning of Islam.
The same people that were destroying monuments in America, such as the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and White House too if they could, are now destroying Catholic churches and Iraqi history.
It is no different that ISIS by another name doing the same thing in Afghanistan with the Buddhist monuments.

Americans owe no apologies to anyone for destroying the Saddam Hussein regime.

 

[Path_Finder]

ISIS has existed by another name since the very beginning of Islam.
The same people that were destroying monuments in America, such as the Twin Towers and the Pentagon and White House too if they could, are now destroying Catholic churches and Iraqi history.
It is no different that ISIS by another name doing the same thing in Afghanistan with the Buddhist monuments.

Americans owe no apologies to anyone for destroying the Saddam Hussein regime.

Yes, ISIS existed under different names but nobody here heard of them before 2013. But yes, you are correct.

There is such a terminology as “President’s Watch”, this stuff, the beheadings, all of that, ISIS’s terror has happened under Obama’s watch, period.

Christie makes a good point, I hope we can elect someone who respects the sanctity of life, where ever it be.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

We needed to tell the UN that, they are the ones who slapped him with sanctions.

The ISG told the world.

Furthermore, here is Clinton defending against the claim the sanctions were killing children

And?

So, this is how it works, Obama gets credit for Bin Laden being killed in 2011 but it’s Bush’s fault when we hear of ISIS the first time in 2013 for most of us if not all, 4 years after he leaves office. Hmmn.

As I said, ISIS was known under a different name. In 1999 it was known as Jama’at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, starting in 2004 it was referred to as Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), it was renamed twice in 2006 before settling on Islamic State of Iraq (ISI). In 2013, it changed its name again to ISIL/ISIS after absorbing the al-Nusra Front.

 

[Path_Finder]

Each President is judged by their term, Kennedy escalated involvement in Viet Nam but Johnson is the one who is largely held responsible for that war going wrong. People don’t generally say, 55,000 soldiers killed in Viet Nam because of Kennedy’s war.

This has to be the best illustration of Obama worship to fault someone who had been out of office for 4 years for ISIS, it’s not rational. And furthermore, Obama did not take the advise of his own General. No, he owns plenty of this as does Putin, Russia and the USSR supporting Assad’s regime in Syria and Iran owns it too. Bush owns nothing in this incompetence.

Obama’s watch, period.

 

[Path_Finder]

Then why didn’t the Americans take care of their own problems in the US rather than go and invade Iraq and cause the displacement of millions of people in the middle east?

You’ll know them by their fruits, Obama, big abortion supporter that some support has done a dismal job and acted against his own military’s advice.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Each President is judged by their term, Kennedy escalated involvement in Viet Nam but Johnson is the one who is largely held responsible for that war going wrong. People don’t generally say, 55,000 soldiers killed in Viet Nam because of Kennedy’s war.

This has to be the best illustration of Obama worship to fault someone who had been out of office for 4 years for ISIS, it’s not rational. And furthermore, Obama did not take the advise of his own General. No, he owns plenty of this as does Putin, Russia and the USSR supporting Assad’s regime in Syria and Iran owns it too. Bush owns nothing in this incompetence.

Obama’s watch, period.

I’m not sure why you insist that ISIS didn’t exist until recently. The organization’s history tells a very different story. It simply cannot be factually asserted that Bush did not play a primary role in the rise of ISIS. It rose to prominence and gained the majority of its military strategists under his watch as a result of his removal of Saddam and disastrous occupation of Iraq.

 

[SuperLuigi]

And in regards to being called a racist- sometimes the best defense is a good offense right?

Even if it’s not true?