Dresden riots: Protesters in Germany attack refugee buses shouting 'foreigners out'

[SuperLuigi]

Given its history, all Germans should know better than this.

May we expect similar sentiments should these folks get to vote in the EU? How about if we put gay “marriage” on the ballot then and see what happens?

 

[Path_Finder]

I’m not sure why you insist that ISIS didn’t exist until recently. The organization’s history tells a very different story. It simply cannot be factually asserted that Bush did not play a primary role in the rise of ISIS. It rose to prominence and gained the majority of its military strategists under his watch as a result of his removal of Saddam and disastrous occupation of Iraq.

Please provide an article that states ISIS as a force before the date of January 2009 when Obama was sworn into the Presidency, nobody denies that terrorists were around before that, but nobody knew who ISIS was and I want a news story, not a wikipedia article talking about their beginning, we know they have roots but they were no force.

In Vietnam, Eisenhower sent advisors, Kennedy escalated, under Johnson we were fully committed and so it followed with Nixon too. Each President is responsible for what happens under their watch. Nixon does not escape responsibility because Kennedy got us involved in that war. Such reasoning is absurd and yes, is only irrational bipartisanship.

I won’t even continue with this absurd conversation, Cristie is correct, lawlessness has broken out under this administration and this is not the only place.

Unless, one can offer objective proof. There are no articles from before 2009 mentioning ISIS as they were no force and if they were a force,

Obama himself showed what he thought of them calling them a JV team, that in itself shows how lightly he took them.

 

[SuperLuigi]

This may sound trivial but isn’t there also an unusually abrupt climate change coming from Somalia and repopulating in Minnesota?

They aren’t assimilating as well or as fast, and the folks who run MSP and the Christian charity folks are obviously too PC to push assimilation for fear of being called racist and/or islamophobic. If they were assimilating, they wouldn’t have a terror recruiting epidemic up there.

Frankly, some of these folks also seem to think if they have one Church picnic in the suburbs that will get them to convert, adopt or whatever, and if so, it’s really erroneous on their part. The Somali Muslim culture is very strict and important, and not easily changed.

From the news I’ve seen, Somali refugees have clashed with every major culture in MN—Whites, other Blacks, Native Americans.

It’s a problem, but not just there. It’s also an issue in Scandinavia. There, the immigration problem has gotten so bad that I think one out of every 4 women will be sexually harassed, mostly by immigrants, and the PC EU media tries to cover it up.

The Americans are just beginning to discover their immigration problem, thanks to Donald Trump and the shocking case in SF.

But really, anytime you have this kind of movement, you have these problems. But when you have cultures that are generally male-dominated/masculine centered clashing with places debating gender equality and idealistic views of other cultures, you have these kinds of domestic problems, and those closest to natural law have a decisive advantage regardless of civilization/technological advancement.

 

[EmperorNapoleon]

Please provide an article that states ISIS as a force before the date of January 2009 when Obama was sworn into the Presidency, nobody denies that terrorists were around before that, but nobody knew who ISIS was and I want a news story, not a wikipedia article talking about their beginning, we know they have roots but they were no force.

In Vietnam, Eisenhower sent advisors, Kennedy escalated, under Johnson we were fully committed and so it followed with Nixon too. Each President is responsible for what happens under their watch. Nixon does not escape responsibility because Kennedy got us involved in that war. Such reasoning is absurd and yes, is only irrational bipartisanship.

I won’t even continue with this absurd conversation, Cristie is correct, lawlessness has broken out under this administration and this is not the only place.

Unless, one can offer objective proof. There are no articles from before 2009 mentioning ISIS as they were no force and if they were a force,

Obama himself showed what he thought of them calling them a JV team, that in itself shows how lightly he took them.

I’m not going down the rabbit hole you’re trying to create. I noted what this group was named so if you aren’t aware that AQI/ISI was the greatest foe faced in the Iraq insurgency then you either weren’t watching the news or your browser is broken. I would think that everyone knew who Al-Zarqawi was.

 

[Path_Finder]

I’m not going down the rabbit hole you’re trying to create. I noted what this group was named so if you aren’t aware that AQI/ISI was the greatest foe faced in the Iraq insurgency then you either weren’t watching the news or your browser is broken. I would think that everyone knew who Al-Zarqawi was.

As Darryl said, this kind of Terrorism has always existed, no one denies ISIS had roots, however you can not find an article with ISIS mentioned specifically before 2009, can you. They were no force in that sense.

**What does ISIS mean? Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. **Thank you, I didn’t realize a full-fledged civil war was going on against President Assad prior to 2009; I guess I am way wrong.

And in saying that, some people do say the war against Assad has gone on for the last 20 years but ISIS wasn’t involved.

Yes, we know who Al-Zarqawi is, furthermore, we know who Bagdadi is, oh, the head of ISIS, oh dear, how do we deal with this argument now?

Anyway, we know what ISIS or ISIL means; there was no way they were a force to be reckoned by that name during the Bush administration.

And if they were, this is the rabbit hole, ONE is taking us down, it doesn’t matter.

President Obama took over the Iraq war, he took over responsibility as Nixon did from Johnson in Viet Nam, they are responsible for their terms.

 

[Path_Finder]

Yes, there were refugees of the Iraq war under Bush, that war was won, the country was pacified, I may not agree with the war in hindsight, I don’t, but those refugees would be under the Bush watch.

The current President has responsibility of Iraq since then and many more refugees and much, much great bloodshed has happened. Responsibility is under this current President’s watch.

 

[meltzerboy]

What? Saddam certainly was not in violation of the nuclear agreement. You cannot possibly blame Obama for the refugee crisis.

Don’t you realize that, for Republicans, it’s all right to blame Obama for everything, while if the Democrats blame Bush for anything, it’s unacceptable?

 

[meltzerboy]

May we expect similar sentiments should these folks get to vote in the EU? How about if we put gay “marriage” on the ballot then and see what happens?

I take it the implication is that the refugees would vote against gay marriage? If so, the same sentiment applies. It’s their country too.

I repeat, this time in better English, given their history, Germans should know better.

 

[Path_Finder]

Don’t you realize that, for Republicans, it’s all right to blame Obama for everything, while if the Democrats blame Bush for anything, it’s unacceptable?

Is that an honest statement?

Okay, I get it, Kennedy started the Viet Nam war, so Nixon had no responsibility concerning that war.

Now, I get it, Obama inherited the Iraq war but he has no responsibility over anything that went wrong.

Ah, such candid honest talk, I get it now.

 

[meltzerboy]

Is that an honest statement?

Okay, I get it, Kennedy started the Viet Nam war, so Nixon had no responsibility concerning that war.

Now, I get it, Obama inherited the Iraq war but he has no responsibility over anything that went wrong.

Ah, such candid honest talk, I get it now.

They all share in the blame is what I mean. Bush should not have gone into Iraq in the first place and Obama should not have left so precipitously.

 

[Path_Finder]

Washington Post, no one doubts ISIS has roots in Al Qaeda or in Islam Extremism in general as Boko Haram is a similar movement.

But the narrative solidifies in 2005, when he was captured by American forces and spent the next four years a prisoner in the Bucca Camp in southern Iraq. It was from his time there that the first known picture of Baghdadi emerged. And it’s also there, reports Al-Monitor, that he possibly met and trained with key al-Qaeda fighters.

He gained enough respect that by** 2010**, after several leaders of the insurgent group al-Qaeda in Iraq were killed, he assumed control of it. At that time, the power of the Islamist militancy in Iraq was at its lowest ebb, and the number of killings had plunged. The Sunni rebellion, which it had once spearheaded, was on the verge of collapse.

But then Syria happened. The civil war there, which left a vacuum of authority in large tracts of the country, fueled a resurgence of the group. The upheaval gave rise to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).**** Over the following years, as many as 12,000 militant Islamists — 3,000 of whom were from Western countries — flocked to the region to fight, according to the Soufan Group, an intelligence consultancy.

But even then, Baghdadi, today respected among militants as a battlefield tactician, maintained his anonymity. It is said that no one knows where he is. And reports say that in the rare istances he meets a prisoner, he wears a mask.

 

[Path_Finder]

Most of the refugees out of that area are Syrian, I don’t know about the percentages so in the end, those engaging in that war that has killed around 250,000 are responsible and in that, President Obama has little responsibility and someone mentioned a rabbit hole? This is what happens when someone largely blames the US for every single wrong in the world. Pitiful.

Migrants trying to escape Syria caught in border bottleneck

thefrontierpost.com/article/329438/migrants-trying-to-escape-syria-caught-in-border-bottleneck/

And as a matter of fact, out of Christian charity, since these people faced ISIS and to a lesser extent, probably other oppressive forces, maybe the regime and maybe not, I think we should try to help Syrian refugees, not our war. Only out of Christian charity, not because it’s our fault, this really shows how outlandish the original statement was.

Near Idomeni, northern Greece (CNN)Amid scenes of misery, thousands of migrants – most of them fleeing Syria’s bitter conflict – remained stranded Saturday in a no-man’s land on the border between northern Greece and Macedonia.

A CNN team saw armored vehicles on the Macedonian side of the border, preventing the men, women and children crammed up against the concertina wire that demarcates the border from crossing.

As some started rushing the razor fence and opened up a section of it, Macedonian military fired two stun grenades.

We should try to help, possibly relocation. We are taking some Syrian refugees I thought. It is very sad, mankind has to deal with this. The fact, that someone uses one country when by and large, a large part of the Islamic world is aflame, from Northern Nigeria to Pakistan and Afghanistan tells us something and that is not to even mention things that happen in the Far East, Philippines, China, Thailand. But oh, yes, take these people’s hardship as a way to put down the USA.

 

[Tomdstone]

As Darryl said, this kind of Terrorism has always existed, no one denies ISIS had roots, however you can not find an article with ISIS mentioned specifically before 2009, can you. They were no force in that sense.

**What does ISIS mean? Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. **Thank you, I didn’t realize a full-fledged civil war was going on against President Assad prior to 2009; I guess I am way wrong.

And in saying that, some people do say the war against Assad has gone on for the last 20 years but ISIS wasn’t involved.

Yes, we know who Al-Zarqawi is, furthermore, we know who Bagdadi is, oh, the head of ISIS, oh dear, how do we deal with this argument now?

Anyway, we know what ISIS or ISIL means; there was no way they were a force to be reckoned by that name during the Bush administration.

And if they were, this is the rabbit hole, ONE is taking us down, it doesn’t matter. .

 

[Tomdstone]

Yes, we know who Al-Zarqawi is, furthermore, we know who Bagdadi is, oh, the head of ISIS, oh dear, how do we deal with this argument now? .

The Islamic state continues to treat Zarqawi as i s founder. The Islamic State has changed its name seven times and has had four leaders. The NY Times has referred to it as the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL. It was called the Army of the Levant by Zarqawi, and thus we have the name ISIL, or the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. It was also known as the Mujihadeen Shura Council. Zarqawi was killed by a US air strike in 2006, so ISIS began much earlier than what some people here are claiming.

 

[Tomdstone]

But oh, yes, take these people’s hardship as a way to put down the USA.

It is a fact that the the US invaded the region and that this present chaotic situation with the refugees did not exist before that.

 

[Tomdstone]

They all share in the blame is what I mean. Bush should not have gone into Iraq in the first place and Obama should not have left so precipitously.

It was Bush who signed the agreement that all US forces leave Iraq by the end of 2011.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Iraq_Status_of_Forces_Agreement

 

[philipl]

Then why didn’t the Americans take care of their own problems in the US rather than go and invade Iraq and cause the displacement of millions of people in the middle east?

Which has nothing to do with the US taking in more illegals and H1B’s that are competing with americans for jobs. Why is it that I have to compete will foreign workers that are unemployable in their country?

 

[Tomdstone]

Which has nothing to do with the US taking in more illegals and H1B’s that are competing with americans for jobs. Why is it that I have to compete will foreign workers that are unemployable in their country?

Because the problems that these refugees are facing is due to the fact that the area was invaded by the US.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Because the problems that these refugees are facing is due to the fact that the area was invaded by the US.

We’re talking about Syria here. The U.S. never set foot in Syria.

Might as well argue that WWII can be blamed on the U.S. Senate that wouldn’t ratify the League of Nations treaty, ignoring the plain fact that Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito had their own dynamic going with their own people who had their own internal notions and objectives.

Your argument assumes, strangely for a liberal, that indigenous peoples are incapable of developing their own objectives, cultures, resentments, and dynamics. “Wogs begin at Calais” redux.

When talking about Syrian refugees, one has to realize that Assad’s war on the majority in Syria long predates U.S. involvement in Iraq, and even Assad himself. His father developed the Alawite oppression of the Sunni majority through murder, favoritism and oppression. Assad, like Saddam Hussein, gassed, bombed and strafed his own people. Does anybody really believe Syrians are incapable of developing their own resentments and radical solutions in the absence of western intervention in a neighoring country?

And does anyone really think nobody in Iraq hated Saddam Hussein, given that he treated the majority terribly, murdered, raped and tortured many, and that it was probably only a matter of time before a Syria situation would develop in Iraq as well?

And are the “natives” in Iraq incapable of basing their near-unanimous request of the U.S. that it stay awhile longer in Iraq on the model of next-door Syria? Should we assume they are so stupid they didn’t realize Islamic radicals had designs on their own country as well as Syria?

I guess some do, or at least sound as if they do.

 

[Tomdstone]

We’re talking about Syria here. The U.S. never set foot in Syria.

Might as well argue that WWII can be blamed on the U.S. Senate that wouldn’t ratify the League of Nations treaty, ignoring the plain fact that Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito had their own dynamic going with their own people who had their own internal notions and objectives.

Your argument assumes, strangely for a liberal, that indigenous peoples are incapable of developing their own objectives, cultures, resentments, and dynamics. “Wogs begin at Calais” redux.

When talking about Syrian refugees, one has to realize that Assad’s war on the majority in Syria long predates U.S. involvement in Iraq, and even Assad himself. His father developed the Alawite oppression of the Sunni majority through murder, favoritism and oppression. Assad, like Saddam Hussein, gassed, bombed and strafed his own people. Does anybody really believe Syrians are incapable of developing their own resentments and radical solutions in the absence of western intervention in a neighoring country?

And does anyone really think nobody in Iraq hated Saddam Hussein, given that he treated the majority terribly, murdered, raped and tortured many, and that it was probably only a matter of time before a Syria situation would develop in Iraq as well?

And are the “natives” in Iraq incapable of basing their near-unanimous request of the U.S. that it stay awhile longer in Iraq on the model of next-door Syria? Should we assume they are so stupid they didn’t realize Islamic radicals had designs on their own country as well as Syria?

I guess some do, or at least sound as if they do.

Not all refugees are from Syria. For example, 1.85 million Kurds fled to the borders of Turkey from Iraq. Further, the USA has been bombing Syria. In fact, on September 10, Obama gave a speech, saying, “I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are. That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria, as well as Iraq.” People in Syria are fleeing from ISIL, which began soon after the US invaded Iraq. ISIL, also known as the Mujihadeen Shura Council, or the Army of the Levant was founded by Zarqawi. Zarqawi founded ISIL in response to the American invasion of Iraq, ordered by Bush.