Dress Code for Mass

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“Older persons seldom speak good about the old days it seems. This is just what we young guys do.“

I hear older people speak about the good old days all the time.

I do not understand you guys talking about how much better things were about a time before you were born. It wasn’t that different, it is only that some people romanticize the past.
 
Yes, I have.
Have you read and studied the Vatican II documents, especially the Constitution on Sacred Liturgy?
 
The theology of the Mass was different prior to VII
It was felt that the “people” we’re not needed, that only the priest needed to say prayers.
Part of the reason was clericalism and part of the reason was that up until the 19th century most regular people were not educated or literate

VII called for changes that were accepted by all but a small handful of Bishops. It is obvious to anyone who is being honest that the Church felt things were not good, thar folks were just going through the motions and that spirituality was suffering.

I’m sorry you think it was all a mistake, but after hearing what most people experienced in the 1940’s-1960’s, I never want to go back.
 
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Make a new thread if discussing the document is so important.
We have derailed this one enough.
 
This is not binding today.
No Pope can bind another Pope on matters of discipline, which is what the rubrics of Mass are, in perpetuity.

We have derailed this thread enough, and this will be my last response to you here.
 
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after hearing what most people experienced in the 1940’s-1960’s, I never want to go back.
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So, in all charity, are you saying you will be Catholic only if we have things the way they are today? I’m not saying what was a mistake and what was not but the next council or the next generation could make changes also.

I was a Catholic in the 60’s and loved it and many people did also. It was what the Church was in the 40’s that caused my father to come into the Church and the rest of his family follow. It was what the Church was for many generations that caused my mother’s Irish family to fight persecution and stand with the Church and build parishes.

The Catholic church has a beautiful history that we as Catholics should be proud of.
 
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Maybe Cilla… is saying that change is sometimes good, and we should accept it.
 
Yes I agree change can be good, though it doesnt mean the past was bad.
 
Yes I agree …the rose coloured glasses thing. The reality of course it was generally worse…I would not have been at the top of the social pyramid and as a woman i could look forward to being married in very straightened circumstances, having little or no recourse to assistance if faced with an abusive husband, lack of health care for the children or with pregnancy, endless housework and the toil of such without any nifty gadgets like running water, an indoor loo,electricity. Technological advances have been a woman’s best friend and changes in social justice . I think this habit of glorifying the good old days started from Adam and Eve.
 
I am one of those preVII people you speak of, and I always speak highly about the preVatican II days. They beat what we have today in spades.
 
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Even though it is a secular book, an excellent book for everyone here to read is Diana West’s Death of the Grown-Up
 
No, it doesn’t. Let me just say that where I am we use British words and spelling, but because most here are American I will attempt to use American English when referring to items of clothing.

I wear a suit (slacks and suit jacket), a dress shirt and a jersey. I wear black leather dress shoes. Sometimes also a tie.

And I think every man should dress like this at church. Regardless of the dress code.
 
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The theology of the Mass was different prior to VII
It was felt that the “people” we’re not needed, that only the priest needed to say prayers.
Part of the reason was clericalism and part of the reason was that up until the 19th century most regular people were not educated or literate

VII called for changes that were accepted by all but a small handful of Bishops. It is obvious to anyone who is being honest that the Church felt things were not good, thar folks were just going through the motions and that spirituality was suffering.

I’m sorry you think it was all a mistake, but after hearing what most people experienced in the 1940’s-1960’s, I never want to go back.
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And yet, with Mass in the vernacular, attendance is still way lower than it was back in those “horrible” times. And it’s not true that everyone jumped for joy when the changes occurred after Vat. II. I was there and old enough to understand the conversations of those days. There was a lot of hurt caused by the changes.
 
I have. The CSL doesn’t dictate that everything be in the vernacular and requires that the Latin (Greek) Ordinary still be taught to the congregation so that everyone can participate on occasions when congregations consist of people who don’t all speak the same language.

I saw that in effect when I attended Sunday Mass at San Marco and Notre Dame. Mass in the vernacular but all the Ordinary in Latin/Greek. Have never seen that in any parish to which I’ve belonged.
 
As much as Id like it, there shouldnt be something as extreme as turning people away at the door if they arent up to standards.

So a “dress code” like theyd have at a private school where youre penalized and provided clothes if you violate it, no.

But there still is an understood dress code whether you like it or not, just like there is for every other time youre in public in civilization.

The way I think of it is this: how do you dress if you go in to interview for a job, in order to show them you take the opportunity seriously? How do you dress at a funeral, in order to show respect for the past life of the deceased? Why should you then where daisy dukes and flip flops when you are about to be in the true presence of Jesus Christ? seems backwards to me.

And Im not saying this is how people should act because of how other people see them. People in the modern age like to pretend that clothes dont matter, but we are physical beings, and clothing is important to us. It effects our state of mind. Any cop or soldier who wears a uniform, or, more appropriate to this situation, any priest who wears vestments will tell you the same. We should wear clothing that makes us internally aware of the reverence of the situation.
 
Yes …it isnt a BBQ one is attending but to worship the Lord God, whom I think one would dress up for as a sign of respect if nothing else.
 
Where I attend it is reversed on Sundays…the Mass is in Latin to cater for all cultural groups attending Mass, but before the homily the priest reads the epistle and gospel in English for those unfamiliar with Latin…after all it is also a basic catechism. Not the Last Gospel however.
 
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