Dress Like a Man

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KD8TZC said:
I wasn’t going to say anything with regards to this, but I think we should be more concerned with judging our OWN acts and how we dress at mass than what others do. Isn’t that what it says in the gospel at least? How am I to know why someone looks sloppy at mass… that is between then and God.
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This I agree with!

I think the point to the article was to make the change within one’s self to approach the Mass much more seriously. But the writer of the article defeated his own purpose by taking it into the realm of judging others rather than looking within. The change starts from each individual, not from each individual feeling they are a better catholic than the man in khaki’s next to him. 🤷
 
Ophelia23 said:
This I agree with!

I think the point to the article was to make the change within one’s self to approach the Mass much more seriously. But the writer of the article defeated his own purpose by taking it into the realm of judging others rather than looking within. The change starts from each individual, not from each individual feeling they are a better catholic than the man in khaki’s next to him. 🤷
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Of course we have been thinking this way for some time now and what do we have? A Crisis of faith and an almost complete loss of the sacred…Everyone including the last few Popes know we are in a crisis yet we keep chipping away at the same tired old path we have been on for a long time and its leading to more loss of faith, faithful, etc…

I knew this would draw criticisms but the over all message is this…Taking a casual stance while at church will lead (which we are seeing) a casual belief and Luke warm Catholics. the way we dress is just a side note as this comes from the inside first and manifests itself in our mannerisms, dress etc.
 
KD8TZC said:
I wasn’t going to say anything with regards to this, but I think we should be more concerned with judging our OWN acts and how we dress at mass than what others do. Isn’t that what it says in the gospel at least? How am I to know why someone looks sloppy at mass… that is between then and God.
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Doesn’t that kind of make the Gospels (and the bible as a whole) pointless since well they were pretty judgmental? To many demands that’s between them and God…

People write articles like this to get people thinking…to start taking things seriously

so lets take the that’s between you and God thing a bit further…

This website and all its content are then useless since will what people believe doesn’t matter because that’s between them and God.

Apologetics useless since that’s between them and God. Get my point?
 
KD8TZC said:
I wasn’t going to say anything with regards to this, but I think we should be more concerned with judging our OWN acts and how we dress at mass than what others do. Isn’t that what it says in the gospel at least? How am I to know why someone looks sloppy at mass… that is between then and God.
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And here lies thinking that has destroyed society. “I’d never get an abortion, but it’s another woman’s decision and is between her and God.”

It is a spiritual act of mercy to rebuke sinners and help each other get to heaven. It’s cowardly to see a person who may benefit from a conversation (and it doesn’t need to be condemning) and just think “This is between that person and God.”
 
Regina7 said:
And here lies thinking that has destroyed society. “I’d never get an abortion, but it’s another woman’s decision and is between her and God.”

It is a spiritual act of mercy to rebuke sinners and help each other get to heaven. It’s cowardly to see a person who may benefit from a conversation (and it doesn’t need to be condemning) and just think “This is between that person and God.”
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👍 exactly
 
I completely agree with this article. I’m dismayed at the clothes people wear at mass. Men who are ushers wear ratty jeans, gym shoes and tshirts. And I KNOW these men have suits because I’ve seen them in them. These men wouldn’t even think about going to meet their favorite sports player (or some other exciting event) so why do they think it’s ok to dress like that for mass?

Interestingly, many of these men dressed up last week for first communion,
But only because they would be in pictures. It’s sad. We live in a me-focused world.

The men/boys in my house wear a suit and tie. It may be uncomfortable and inconvenient, but they are going to see the King of Kings and need to dress like the special occasion it is.
 
Regina7 said:
I completely agree with this article. I’m dismayed at the clothes people wear at mass. Men who are ushers wear ratty jeans, gym shoes and tshirts. And I KNOW these men have suits because I’ve seen them in them. These men wouldn’t even think about going to meet their favorite sports player (or some other exciting event) so why do they think it’s ok to dress like that for mass?

Interestingly, many of these men dressed up last week for first communion,
But only because they would be in pictures. It’s sad. We live in a me-focused world.

The men/boys in my house wear a suit and tie. It may be uncomfortable and inconvenient, but they are going to see the King of Kings and need to dress like the special occasion it is.
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m an Usher which is why I posted this. I see people from a different perspective than everyone else attending the Mass
 
eightydeuce82 said:
Doesn’t that kind of make the Gospels (and the bible as a whole) pointless since well they were pretty judgmental? To many demands that’s between them and God…

People write articles like this to get people thinking…to start taking things seriously

so lets take the that’s between you and God thing a bit further…

This website and all its content are then useless since will what people believe doesn’t matter because that’s between them and God.

Apologetics useless since that’s between them and God. Get my point?
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I get what you are saying, but I really think we need to stop passing judgement in a spirit of arrogance and forgetting our own faults. I don’t know why that person is dressed sloppily… maybe a loved one died that morning and that is what they had on while they were at the hospital with them all day. Or maybe the guy who is filthy, but that was because he was working three jobs to support his family as his wife is sick and can’t work.

I know I do a things that I am not proud of, and being worried about what someone is wearing to mass is really low on my priorities. I know we need to show respect at mass, but I doubt Jesus ever told the apostles to tell someone to leave because he had his “work” sandals on or his grubby cloak. I think people carrying on and talking and acting disrespectful would be of more importance.

Just my two cents,

John
 
The Parochial Vicar/ Vocations Director at my local cathedral posted this on Facebook.
(Not that I use Facebook, someone sent me the link.)

Ladies and Gentlemen, let’s not forget we are physical and spiritual beings; we need to be prepared mentally, physically, and spiritually for the Holy Sacrifice.

Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.

God Love you
 
KD8TZC said:
I get what you are saying, but I really think we need to stop passing judgement in a spirit of arrogance and forgetting our own faults. I don’t know why that person is dressed sloppily… maybe a loved one died that morning and that is what they had on while they were at the hospital with them all day. Or maybe the guy who is filthy, but that was because he was working three jobs to support his family as his wife is sick and can’t work.

I know I do a things that I am not proud of, and being worried about what someone is wearing to mass is really low on my priorities. I know we need to show respect at mass, but I doubt Jesus ever told the apostles to tell someone to leave because he had his “work” sandals on or his grubby cloak. I think people carrying on and talking and acting disrespectful would be of more importance.

Just my two cents,

John
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You can acknowledge you own faults not pass judgement and still wear a suit to show an outward respect for the King of Kings that might get others to do the same. We contact the world with our outward expressions of self. That’s how we communicate. If someone sees you wearing a suit or nice cloths taking things seriously they might just want to explore that more.

I am one of two people at my parish that receives the Eucharist kneeling and on the tong…this is our preference not to make a show of it but to encourage people to take this more seriously and you are receiving the Lord. Many more have followed and have said that doing so has increased their faith and belief in the Eucharist.

Jesus never said a lot of things and we can make assumptions of what he did and didn’t to or did and didn’t say but the bible does very specifically point out that the way we dress is important. The way we worship is important and that we can effect people by our outward expressions.

Jesus didn’t form Israel to be an invisible union of tribes they were to be a VERY visible union so that all others would emulate them. Much more he created a Church to replace this beacon and be a Very Visible thing. We do things visibly to draw people to Christ. People will not recognize a invisible union of believers that exists only in mans hearts! As the protestants will have you believe.
 
I always dress appropriately for Mass. 😃

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Ophelia23 said:
I think this is honestly too subjective.
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This says it all… further I find it unfortunate that someones dress is even a topic of discussion… being constrained by secular, societal standards of dress only serves to divert our attention to superficial topics.

I agree that there is an issue in the Church… although I don’t think it is a so-called ‘man-crisis’. At least not in the sense that we should revert to a narrow definition of what it means to be a man…
 
coachdennis said:
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And yes, I did read the whole article.

I refuse to believe that men who don’t dress in a suit and tie are automatically bored, have no sense of sacred, does not realize the great gift they have in Jesus, or does not take his role as head of household seriously, and do not take their faith seriously.
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I agree with this. ^

You can’t tell why a person dresses like they do or that the way they do reflects what is going on on the inside. You can’t say "they should be able to afford… "… because you really do not know. I’ve been financially strapped, and yes, my wardrobe was limited but I had nice clothes to wear to church, but if I had kids, or other finances, I would not have. You really can not judge and make blanket statements and judgements about folks in this way. I rather we were all in rags worshiping with true and thankful hearts quite honestly.

What matters is what God sees.

James 2
Don’t Favor Rich People over Poor People

2 My brothers and sisters, practice your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ by not favoring one person over another. 2 For example, two men come to your worship service. One man is wearing gold rings and fine clothes; the other man, who is poor, is wearing shabby clothes. 3 Suppose you give special attention to the man wearing fine clothes and say to him, “Please have a seat.” But you say to the poor man, “Stand over there,” or “Sit on the floor at my feet.” 4 Aren’t you discriminating against people and using a corrupt standard to make judgments?

5 Listen, my dear brothers and sisters! Didn’t God choose poor people in the world to become rich in faith and to receive the kingdom that he promised to those who love him? 6 Yet, you show no respect to poor people. Don’t rich people oppress you and drag you into court? 7 Don’t they curse the good name of Jesus, the name that was used to bless you?

8 You are doing right if you obey this law from the highest authority: “Love your neighbor as you love yourself.” 9 If you favor one person over another, you’re sinning, and this law convicts you of being disobedient. 10 If someone obeys all of God’s laws except one, that person is guilty of breaking all of them. 11 After all, the one who said, “Never commit adultery,” is the same one who said, “Never murder.” If you do not commit adultery but you murder, you become a person who disobeys God’s laws.

12 Talk and act as people who are going to be judged by laws that bring freedom. 13 No mercy will be shown to those who show no mercy to others. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
 
Those that feel they need to push the “suit and tie” model for attending Mass should take the time to understand their history.

Business suits (or lounge/sack suits) were unknown before the beginning of the 20th Century and not well known until after WWI, in the early 1920’s. They then enjoyed a fairly strong run until say 1970. While limited professions (politicians, funeral directors and lawyers in court) still commonly wear business suits, most do not.

It’s amusing that so many equate this style as “the standard” for male church garb even though its run lasted a mere 50 years or so.
 
eightydeuce82 said:
You can acknowledge you own faults not pass judgement and still wear a suit to show an outward respect for the King of Kings that might get others to do the same.
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I agree, be the change that you want to see. I’m just saying lets worry about ourselves. Dress the best that you can and show others how it should be done. Start a movement and others may follow.
 
Regina7 said:
And here lies thinking that has destroyed society. “I’d never get an abortion, but it’s another woman’s decision and is between her and God.”

It is a spiritual act of mercy to rebuke sinners and help each other get to heaven. It’s cowardly to see a person who may benefit from a conversation (and it doesn’t need to be condemning) and just think “This is between that person and God.”
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To rebuke sinners, yes. But to rebuke the have-nots? Would it really be your place to go up to a person at Mass and tell them, “You are not dressed well enough to prove you have strong faith”? Surely not. That is not your job.

We all should be setting an example by dressing with proper reverence for the Mass ourselves. NOT by assuming that our fellow man in the pew is less of a Catholic because his clothes aren’t as nice.

I think of my husband just as an example. He wears his nice black pants, a button down shirt, and his tennis shoes. The shoes look awful, but we can’t afford a pair of new dress shoes right now. Never in even the quietest inward breath would I call him a bored Catholic. Everybody has a story; everybody has a perspective.

We need to be careful to carry our reverence for the Mass in the highest of all regard, and to set an example for others through charity and love. Not through making base assumptions and considering ourselves more faithful.
 
eightydeuce82 said:
Of course we have been thinking this way for some time now and what do we have? A Crisis of faith and an almost complete loss of the sacred…Everyone including the last few Popes know we are in a crisis yet we keep chipping away at the same tired old path we have been on for a long time and its leading to more loss of faith, faithful, etc…

I knew this would draw criticisms but the over all message is this…Taking a casual stance while at church will lead (which we are seeing) a casual belief and Luke warm Catholics. the way we dress is just a side note as this comes from the inside first and manifests itself in our mannerisms, dress etc.
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The crisis in Faith has nothing to do with a laxness in how a crowd dresses. The crisis of Faith has to do with hearts themselves being lukewarm and no desire to purify them and come to Christ, believe in Him… that and that only. You can’t necessarily know that how a person dresses is manifesting how they feel on the inside. You honestly can not do that… at all!

People dressing up never influenced me to Christ and trust me where I was born and raised (wealthy area) they did dress up at my church and it did nothing to my young heart but to believe the wrong things about Christ and I had no sense of the sacred. It was only the poor people that I saw DOING HIS Word , as they were too busy giving all they had in time talent and treasure to others in need that influenced me. They were impressive. They were dynamic. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Mass should be lax, I believe in the sacred. But dress is not a topic that should even come up. If would be different if a person came in acting raunchy and rude- yes- but even at that, take pity on the poor soul and direct him to Christ. How someone dresses is no indicator. How a person behaves probably is.
 
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