Drums At Mass, YIKES!

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I’d bet the folks that attend that kind of Mass regularly would be horrified at the “inoppropriate” pipe organs you grew up with.

Saint Paul tells us (if we listen) that God does not play favorites. I’m sure God loves pipe organs. I’m equally sure He loves guitars, drums, banjos and fiddles.

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Mike
Pipe organs are SO protestant. :rolleyes:

If we want traditional, I suggest PSALM 150.
***Psalm 150

1 Praise the LORD. [a]
Praise God in his sanctuary;***
praise him in his mighty heavens.

2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.

3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre,

4 praise him with tambourine and dancing,
praise him with the** strings and flute,**

** 5 praise him with the clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals.**

6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD.

Verse 5 and the “Clash of Cymbals” sounds kind of like drums to me…

If it’s good enough for God, it’s good enough for me.
Wait! It’s not all about me! :eek:
 
I suspect drums, flutes or pipes, and stringed instruments were used in religious ritual long before organs and pianos or harpsicords existed. Some might call it “getting back to basics.” My own opinion is that almost any instrument is suitable if the music is respectable and not some “strip club” beat. 🙂
 
It depends of current connotations.

Drums and guitars are most commonly, now, associated with folk music. The folk music of today is pop music, popular music, the music of the people.

It adds a mundane element to a sacred (set apart) rite.

Add, then, the noisiness that is common to that form of music.
Add, then, the general level of noise in an Novus Ordo mass; the number of responses the laity are required to make and an increase the number of readings.

Add, also, that this is the Traditional Catholic sub-forum. No drums at the TLM. Plenty of time for private prayer and contemplation. Go to one.
 
I’ve heard drums a few times at my church, in addition to the rare violin. Typically it’s just piano and guitar. But when the drummer played he just played on the snare and hi hat and bass drum. Didn’t do any fills or hit the crash or anything so it wasn’t distracting.
 
I thought that this would be the correct Forum to bring this subject up. I don’t ever remember drums being part of the traditional Mass, and I don’t understand why this idea is being incorporated. I grew up in a Parish that had the traditional organ music with the occasional choir present, and then sadly, I was away from the church for many years. I now attend a different church that is in the community that I live in now, and it has a guitar Mass. I have grown accustomed to the guitar Mass, but now drums are being incorporated and I can’t stand it. First of all, we have a drummer that apparently has no sense of rhythm and couldn’t keep a beat if his/her life depended on it. Second of all, when I hear drums, I feel like I’m in a nightclub and not at Mass. I cringe every time I hear drums being played at Mass and I feel like it is very disrespectful. Am I the only one who feels this way? Am I just being too sensitive? I brought this up to one of our singer/music directors, and she thinks the drums are wonderful. She seems to think that this is a good way to get the youth of our Parish excited about the Mass. I have gotten used to the guitar Mass, but I don’t want anything to do with drums at Mass, and I can’t see myself ever getting used to it. Has anyone grown up with this sort of thing in their Parish? How do you all feel about this? What is the Vatican’s stance on this? I know that drums play an important part in music, but do we really need them at Mass? Are we trying to compete with the mega churches out there? and if so, why? I don’t come to church so I can be entertained, I come so I can be close to Jesus in the Eucharist, and to give God thanks and praise. I’m starting to get a bit (more than a bit) long winded here, so I’ll just leave this open for comments before I start babbling & ranting some more.
I have to agree, drums can be a distraction from the sanctity of mass. So can over-zealous guitar playing. What my dad usto call a “Vunda” mass; Vun-da–vun-da-vun-da-vun-da-vun-da…and usually way too loud. Although the intent was good.
 
I have to agree, drums can be a distraction from the sanctity of mass. So can over-zealous guitar playing. What my dad usto call a “Vunda” mass; Vun-da–vun-da-vun-da-vun-da-vun-da…and usually way too loud. Although the intent was good.
I’m sure in my case, (meaning my Parish) as in you and your dads, the intention is good. I never thought that there was any ill intent, I just don’t understand the whole drums at Mass thing, and I can relate to where your dad is coming from when he says that. We also have guitar players at our church, that tend to hit a bad note at just about every Mass. And at every other Mass, it also seems that they can’t keep their instruments quiet when they should be. Many times I hear feedback from an amp, or I’ll hear where someone kicked or dropped their guitar, while a reading or homily is in progress.
 
I thought that this would be the correct Forum to bring this subject up. I don’t ever remember drums being part of the traditional Mass, and I don’t understand why this idea is being incorporated. I grew up in a Parish that had the traditional organ music with the occasional choir present, and then sadly, I was away from the church for many years. I now attend a different church that is in the community that I live in now, and it has a guitar Mass. I have grown accustomed to the guitar Mass, but now drums are being incorporated and I can’t stand it. First of all, we have a drummer that apparently has no sense of rhythm and couldn’t keep a beat if his/her life depended on it. Second of all, when I hear drums, I feel like I’m in a nightclub and not at Mass. I cringe every time I hear drums being played at Mass and I feel like it is very disrespectful. Am I the only one who feels this way? Am I just being too sensitive? I brought this up to one of our singer/music directors, and she thinks the drums are wonderful. She seems to think that this is a good way to get the youth of our Parish excited about the Mass. I have gotten used to the guitar Mass, but I don’t want anything to do with drums at Mass, and I can’t see myself ever getting used to it. Has anyone grown up with this sort of thing in their Parish? How do you all feel about this? What is the Vatican’s stance on this? I know that drums play an important part in music, but do we really need them at Mass? Are we trying to compete with the mega churches out there? and if so, why? I don’t come to church so I can be entertained, I come so I can be close to Jesus in the Eucharist, and to give God thanks and praise. I’m starting to get a bit (more than a bit) long winded here, so I’ll just leave this open for comments before I start babbling & ranting some more.
I agree with you! I laughed when you said like a “nightclub”. Or like a pagan ritual. I am “old school” and like you said prefer organ music and nice singing. Not to be harsh on guitar playing…some is nice when it compliments the singing, but if it’s too loud or some unrecognizable song it’s distracting. Tamborine is another question mark. It rattles my concentration.
 
It adds a mundane element to a sacred (set apart) rite.
“Holy” means “set apart.” I don’t think that’s a proper translation, as “sacred” and “holy” aren’t complete synonyms.
Tamborine is another question mark. It rattles my concentration.
I would say there should be no question regarding the tambourine: Get rid of it! Don’t mistake my endorsement (whatever it’s worth) of the drum kit as an endorsement of the tambourine. I retract the “just about any instrument” part of my previous post.😃
Add, then, the noisiness that is common to that form of music.
Drums need not be noisey. Electronic drums have good, natural sounds and can be turned down with a volume knob. Regular acoustic drums should not be played with regular sticks if the church building is not large enought to warrant it. There are many other rods and brushes available to soften them up.
 
Meaning of the word sacred. Most times, a cigar is just a cigar.

I have to say, having attended and sung at TLMs since about 2007, the idea of drums at Mass is laughable. And I used to be in a rock band. I don’t care if they’re ‘played reverently’. You can think you’re doing a lot of things reverently at Mass. Dancing for one. The connotations are a bit off. Give it another 150 years.

Also, I doubt a Mass where drums are played would be free of other novelty. Once you’ve seen a TLM said at a handsome altar, by a pious priest, with a competent schola and, if you’re very lucky, a well-played organ, and even (oh rarity!) some polyphony, modern Masses look like school recitals catering to the lowest common denominator, so no one feels left out or has to exert themselves.

Bump-tish, bump-tish, twang, "Bind us together, Lord, bind us together … "
 
“Holy” means “set apart.” I don’t think that’s a proper translation, as “sacred” and “holy” aren’t complete synonyms.
No, “holy,” is related to “whole,” and comes from Germanic roots meaning “entire,” “undivided,” “inviolable”; it’s also related to “hale,” “heal,” “health,” and, for that matter, “halibut.”

There’s a better case to be made for “sacred.” The Latin sacer (related to Greek σάος, safe), means about what our “sacred” does, and there are varying theories about its ultimate Indo-European roots. One theory connects it to a PIE root *saq-, “bind, enclose,” implying a covenant or contract. I have seen connections with Hittite saklai-, “rite, custom,” and another theory that connects it with a root **sek-*, meaning “cut,” so as to imply something cut off (as from ordinary life).

So “holy” does not mean “set apart” in any way, and in fact the word directly suggests the precise opposite. “Sacred” may or may not come in part from a deep, Proto-Indo-European root implying “cut off,” or else from one meaning “bound,” though it does not carry either connotation in Latin. In any event, our word “sacred” does not mean “set apart” in any literal or reasonably accessible etymological sense, so at most that leaves you with a figurative sense in which it might. Even so, that probably has more to do with the practical fact that things were set apart because they were considered sacred (in the sense of holy), and not called sacer because they had been set apart.

I’ve heard the claim repeatedly that “sacred means set apart” – generally to support a normative claim that sacred things should be set apart – and it always struck me as likely to be wrong from a Latin standpoint, which is why I bothered to investigate. Interesting.

Edited to add: I should have noted also that Latin sacer also has a negative sense meaning “accursed, detestable, damned.”
 
Hee hee, the Mass is sacred, holy, taboo …

1969 - 2010: Everyone pile in!
 
“Holy” means “set apart.” I don’t think that’s a proper translation, as “sacred” and “holy” aren’t complete synonyms.

I would say there should be no question regarding the tambourine: Get rid of it! Don’t mistake my endorsement (whatever it’s worth) of the drum kit as an endorsement of the tambourine. I retract the “just about any instrument” part of my previous post.😃

Drums need not be noisey. Electronic drums have good, natural sounds and can be turned down with a volume knob. Regular acoustic drums should not be played with regular sticks if the church building is not large enought to warrant it. There are many other rods and brushes available to soften them up.
I think you hit it on the head! The “Acoustics” needs to be checked out ahead of time if possible. My Church has great acoustics, and a microphone with guitar is not needed, because you can hear them jsut fine as is. God Bless.
 
Clearly drums and musical instruments are part of the glory of God. David, a man called “after God’s own heart” advises this:

Psalm 150
1 Praise the LORD. [a]
Praise God in his sanctuary;
praise him in his mighty heavens.

2 Praise him for his acts of power;
praise him for his surpassing greatness.

3 Praise him with the** sounding of the trumpet,
praise him with the harp and lyre, **
4 praise him with **tambourine and dancing,
praise him with the strings and flute, **

5 praise him with the** clash of cymbals,
praise him with resounding cymbals.**

6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD.

I’m not suggesting that the santuary should be turned into a secular night club, only that God is the author of music and some of us have the idea that one type of instrument is more holy than another. That’s not what scripture says. However I also wholeheartedly recognize, that certain types of worship offend the sensibilities of people. I believe this is why most churches have a contemporary and traditional service. It’s a good compromise.

Let everything that has breath praise the Lord!
 
Oh my the sky is falling. I wonder if Christ can bear to come out of the tabernacle to be present in the face of a beat on the drum. :rolleyes:
 
Just because He still chooses to be present, doesn’t mean we should insult Him with such racket and irreverance
Oh my the sky is falling. I wonder if Christ can bear to come out of the tabernacle to be present in the face of a beat on the drum. :rolleyes:
 
I thought that this would be the correct Forum to bring this subject up. I don’t ever remember drums being part of the traditional Mass, and I don’t understand why this idea is being incorporated. I grew up in a Parish that had the traditional organ music with the occasional choir present, and then sadly, I was away from the church for many years. I now attend a different church that is in the community that I live in now, and it has a guitar Mass. I have grown accustomed to the guitar Mass, but now drums are being incorporated and I can’t stand it. First of all, we have a drummer that apparently has no sense of rhythm and couldn’t keep a beat if his/her life depended on it. Second of all, when I hear drums, I feel like I’m in a nightclub and not at Mass. I cringe every time I hear drums being played at Mass and I feel like it is very disrespectful. Am I the only one who feels this way? Am I just being too sensitive? I brought this up to one of our singer/music directors, and she thinks the drums are wonderful. She seems to think that this is a good way to get the youth of our Parish excited about the Mass. I have gotten used to the guitar Mass, but I don’t want anything to do with drums at Mass, and I can’t see myself ever getting used to it. Has anyone grown up with this sort of thing in their Parish? How do you all feel about this? What is the Vatican’s stance on this? I know that drums play an important part in music, but do we really need them at Mass? Are we trying to compete with the mega churches out there? and if so, why? I don’t come to church so I can be entertained, I come so I can be close to Jesus in the Eucharist, and to give God thanks and praise. I’m starting to get a bit (more than a bit) long winded here, so I’ll just leave this open for comments before I start babbling & ranting some more.
Objectively - Drums at Mass are fine and *should *pose no problems to raising the Faithful’s Hearts and Minds to God.

Subjectively - I am walking out of there and finding another Mass! I’ve been to one of these masses - they supposedly extol the virtues of inculturation. Frankly it caused unease and embarassment. Deo Gratias - I still Communed with the Blessed Lord Sacramentally but a lot of the hour was spent in silent angst!
 
And you know He’s insulted by drum music exactly how? Because you are insulted by it?
I’d like to know the answer as well. There isn’t a single admonition in scripture regarding certain instruments. Why do we have to artificially make some up? There certainly weren’t any pianos or organs in the Upper Room.
 
Some people are just lost causes and will never be able to comprehend the simplest things in life…
And you know He’s insulted by drum music exactly how? Because you are insulted by it?
 
I am sorry…are you a Traditional Catholic? Are you even a Catholic? Because you list yourself as “Christian” which makes me wonder are you protestant or a Catholic? If you are not a Catholic, then my statements are not directed towards you…I’m really not in the least bit interested in what instruments you use at your worship services…i am concerned with The Catholic Mass
I’d like to know the answer as well. There isn’t a single admonition in scripture regarding certain instruments. Why do we have to artificially make some up? There certainly weren’t any pianos or organs in the Upper Room.
 
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