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Debbie_Kono said:
Actually, it’s more than four now. But regardless, he needs to clarify some things. In Argentina and Germany and probably many other places too they are allowing divorced and remarried to receive Holy Communion. And in defense of the good Cardinal Burke, I have personal friends who know him…and they say he is a very humble and holy man. I’m currently taking the Fr. Hardon Catechism class and when I finish this fall I get the honor of meeting Cardinal Burke…I’ll let you know what he’s like up close and personal.
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Debbie, welcome home to the Catholic Church. We’ll be praying for you. God bless!

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Debbie_Kono said:
Actually, it’s more than four now. But regardless, he needs to clarify some things. In Argentina and Germany and probably many other places too they are allowing divorced and remarried to receive Holy Communion. And in defense of the good Cardinal Burke, I have personal friends who know him…and they say he is a very humble and holy man. I’m currently taking the Fr. Hardon Catechism class and when I finish this fall I get the honor of meeting Cardinal Burke…I’ll let you know what he’s like up close and personal.
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I know if I was living that way, and it will NEVER happen. I couldn’t take the host.
 
billcu1 said:
I know if I was living that way, and it will NEVER happen. I couldn’t take the host.
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Unfortunately there are a lot of confused, unknowledgeable Catholics who will. And there are those who will want to believe their “itching ears”. Very dangerous “pope”.
 
Debbie_Kono said:
Unfortunately there are a lot of confused, unknowledgeable Catholics who will. And there are those who will want to believe their “itching ears”. Very dangerous “pope”.
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Until (if at all) he becomes a formal heretic and as long as Benedict’s resignation was valid (it must be presumed as such, especially if Benedict says so and claims it was a free decision), Francis really is Pope.
 
chevalier said:
Until (if at all) he becomes a formal heretic and as long as Benedict’s resignation was valid (it must be presumed as such, especially if Benedict says so and claims it was a free decision), Francis really is Pope.
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If PBXVI is in error regarding his resigination, he is in error…that would include his judgement that he believes he’s not in error. Some are coming to this conclusion. With everything PF has done and continues to do, this seems more plausible to me anyway.
 
Debbie_Kono said:
If PBXVI is in error regarding his resigination, he is in error…that would include his judgement that he believes he’s not in error. Some are coming to this conclusion. With everything PF has done and continues to do, this seems more plausible to me anyway.
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Canon law has provisions to allow for a current pope to abdicate his position. Pope Benedict was certainly aware of that. I can’t imagine why some of you think that he was mistaken or “in error.”
 
Debbie_Kono said:
If PBXVI is in error regarding his resigination, he is in error…that would include his judgement that he believes he’s not in error. Some are coming to this conclusion. With everything PF has done and continues to do, this seems more plausible to me anyway.
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Benedict being an ultrasharp scientific theologian doesn’t strike me as the kind of man who would get his basic epistemics wrong or err about free will vs compulsion. He’s just too sharp for those kinds of mistakes, I think.

This said, the wikileaks material about ‘Catholic Spring’ from Hillary campaign is worrying indeed.

As regards Francis’s personal shortcomings vs validity, historical popes have done all sorts of not exactly moral or rational things without being (or becoming) invalid popes. Francis is extreme by 20th-century standards on the point of theological continuity etc., but still timid compared to some of the renaissance, mediaeval or ancient ones in terms of shock value.
Tim_D said:
Canon law has provisions to allow for a current pope to abdicate his position. Pope Benedict was certainly aware of that. I can’t imagine why some of you think that he was mistaken or “in error.”
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Benedict claims he wouldn’t have been able to make the WYD trip, among other things, and the realization made him leave the Chair for a younger, stronger man.

However, there are more and more leaks suggesting external pressure.

A pope could still validly decide that the pressure was too much, as long as it was his own decision, so the reason is not really the problem. Any issue with validity would have to go to Benedict’s mental and emotional frame at the time of his resignation. Or some kind of blackmail.
 
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