Dutch bishop urges faithful to call God Allah

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Priest like this make me go :confused:

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Dutch bishop urges faithful to call God Allah
[Breda#Breda, The Netherlands] The Dutch Roman Catholic bishop Tiny Muskens is urging the faithful of all religions to call God Allah in order to foster mutual understanding. He says God does not mind what he is called and points out that Allah is the Arabic word for God.

The bishop of Breda, who is retiring in a few weeks, added he did not anticipate his ideas would find immediate acceptance. He expects this could take 100 or 200 years. Bishop Muskens has previously defied the Vatican by calling for the acceptance of married priests and the use of condoms to combat AIDS. He has also said that it is acceptable for the poor to steal bread.
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beckers said:
Priest like this make me go :confused:
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Not me. There will always be people in the Church who seek to please the world, who choose to remain slaves to sin and error despite having been given all they need, and who are simply blown about by every wind of doctrine. They seek peace through watering down the truth. They use partial truths in an attempt to please both lovers and haters of truth. Yes, it is true that Arabic Christians call God Allah, but they do not do so to seem more like Muslims.
The bishop of Breda, who is retiring in a few weeks…
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Patience friends, the guard is changing…
 
Bishop Muskens needs to resign his see, hand in his miter, and find a nice liberal Protestant church where he’ll feel at home.

On the other hand, he’s 71 years old and has already asked to retire because of his health. Like I said regarding Sr. Joan Chittister, another 5 to 10 years and we won’t have to worry about him any more, one way or the other. Time marches on, and his is about up.

Every day more of them die and more of us are born.
 
Hmm…here’s another idea.

Why don’t people of all faiths call God “God?” After all, God doesn’t care what he is called, and ‘Allah’ is just Arabic for God. 🤷

I’m sure our Muslim brothers (religion of peace) won’t mind…:rolleyes:
 
Call the Great I AM “Allah?”

:nope: :nope: :nope:

Not in this space-time continuum!!
 
rlg94086 said:
Hmm…here’s another idea.

Why don’t people of all faiths call God “God?” After all, God doesn’t care what he is called, and ‘Allah’ is just Arabic for God. 🤷

I’m sure our Muslim brothers (religion of peace) won’t mind…:rolleyes:
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Obivously they won’t mind just like the don’t mind his “other” writings…

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Iran authorities lash man for having bible in car - report
iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=12109
Tehran, Iran, Aug. 13 – Iranian authorities in Tehran lashed a man on his back earlier this year for having a bible in his car, an Iranian Christian group said in a report on its website on Friday.

The man was only identified by the initials A. Sh.

On 5 May, the man, driving his vehicle, was involved in a road accident with a car belonging to security guards for a government official in Tehran.

A bible and a video of Jesus Christ were found in the man’s possession upon inspection of his vehicle by the state security forces (SSF).

A. Sh. admitted to being Christian, prompting the security agents to beat him up, the report said. He was arrested and taken to a holding cell in Detention Centre 102.

During interrogation security agents accused the man of converting from Islam to Christianity, a practice banned under Iran’s strict theocratic laws.
 
Religion of peace. 👍 :rolleyes: 😦
beckers said:
Obivously they won’t mind just like the don’t mind his “other” writings…

Iran authorities lash man for having bible in car - report
iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=12109
Tehran, Iran, Aug. 13 – Iranian authorities in Tehran lashed a man on his back earlier this year for having a bible in his car, an Iranian Christian group said in a report on its website on Friday.

The man was only identified by the initials A. Sh.

On 5 May, the man, driving his vehicle, was involved in a road accident with a car belonging to security guards for a government official in Tehran.

A bible and a video of Jesus Christ were found in the man’s possession upon inspection of his vehicle by the state security forces (SSF).

A. Sh. admitted to being Christian, prompting the security agents to beat him up, the report said. He was arrested and taken to a holding cell in Detention Centre 102.

During interrogation security agents accused the man of converting from Islam to Christianity, a practice banned under Iran’s strict theocratic laws.
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beckers said:
Priest like this make me go :confused:

rnw.nl/news/news.html#5392766
Dutch bishop urges faithful to call God Allah
[Breda#Breda, The Netherlands] The Dutch Roman Catholic bishop Tiny Muskens is urging the faithful of all religions to call God Allah in order to foster mutual understanding. He says God does not mind what he is called and points out that Allah is the Arabic word for God.

The bishop of Breda, who is retiring in a few weeks, added he did not anticipate his ideas would find immediate acceptance. He expects this could take 100 or 200 years. Bishop Muskens has previously defied the Vatican by calling for the acceptance of married priests and the use of condoms to combat AIDS. He has also said that it is acceptable for the poor to steal bread.
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can you say excommunication? !!
 
Originally Posted by beckers:

He has also said that it is acceptable for the poor to steal bread.
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I remember reading St. Thomas Aquinas several years ago to the effect that a person in dire need of food would not really be “stealing” bread in such circumstances, for in such circumstances the bread becomes “common property.” (See Question 66, Article 7 of Summa)

So, the bishop might be orthodox on this one point. 😃
 
DaveBj said:
Call the Great I AM “Allah?”

:nope: :nope: :nope:

Not in this space-time continuum!!
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Pax tecum!

Be careful with this line of thinking…Arab Christians use the word “Allah” for God.

In Christ,
Rand
 
Genesis315 said:
Not me. There will always be people in the Church who seek to please the world, who choose to remain slaves to sin and error despite having been given all they need, and who are simply blown about by every wind of doctrine. They seek peace through watering down the truth. They use partial truths in an attempt to please both lovers and haters of truth. Yes, it is true that Arabic Christians call God Allah, but they do not do so to seem more like Muslims.

Patience friends, the guard is changing…
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A little charity and caution about pinning labels on people. The bishop’s comments may have been unwise, but there is nothing “sinful” or “in error” about using the Arabic name for God rather than the name in Dutch or English or any other language. Perhaps the bishop thinks it could lead more Moslems to take an interest in Christianity.
Similarly “calling for the acceptance of married priests” is not sinful or heterodox, nor, despite what the article says, “defying the Vatican”. Bishops are perfectly free to argue for changes in the disciplines of the Church. In fact that’s one of their roles.

Several great saints would agree it can be acceptable for the poor to steal bread. St Basil even said that if you have an extra coat hanging in your wardrobe, then giving it to a man who has none is simply returning to him what is already his own property! Even Christ and his Apostles took and ate fruit and grains growing in the fields they passed along the road.

Even “the use of condoms to combat AIDS” may not per se be sinful or heterodox in circumstances where they are not used as a contraceptive, but only to reduce transmission of disease.
 
He has also said that it is acceptable for the poor to steal bread.

In Amsterdam supermarkets you can see some times the papers or the plastic begs from the used food.
Some homeless street people come there just to get some food even to steal the food from the super market.
As far as I know , if the person has stole some food being hungry , it is not considered as a crime according to Dutch Law, if the person has stole the food until certain amount.
 
Its really a matter of language. 🤓

When missionaries wanted to spread the Faith to Arabs, the only way to speak about God to them is through using the indigenous language - no?

yes we know muslims don’t refer to the Trinity when they say “Allah”

however,
when the Dutch Bishop spoke about God using the Arabic language - He’s merely referring to our Godhead 3 in 1!
(note that he speaks from a Catholic Perspective!)

The English language wasnt the 1st avenue God chose to pen His Holy Word… yet today we commonly refer to Our Father as “God”-- in English! (instead of Hebrew /Greek etc) :whacky:

please examine the good intentions of a person’s heart before accusing them of committing evil.

In multi-racial multi-cultural Singapore, the Church doesn’t get knotted up about language. :doh2:
I chat with my muslim friend and say a great “Amin” (arabic “Amen”) just as I would rattle off a chirpy “Amen!” in agreement to any piece of truth that glorifies God - :extrahappy:
My muslim friend was pleasantly surprised to hear my “Amin”… it definitely broke the ice between us and facilitated chat easily. :yup:

I find it crucial to** focus on being the 1st to extend our hands to others** - :hug3:

Which is more important?
1- understand others rather than seek to be understood (Prayer of St Francis)
or
2- fuss over the concept of Language?? :banghead: :ouch:
 
Yes if you attend a Melkite Greek Catholic divine liturgy you will hear Allah, the Almighty Trinity, worshipped :P. Arab Christians use the name Allah for God…it is just the Arabic equivalent of our word “God”.
 
No way. Their god is not my God. That is the bottom line for me.

-Peace-
 
I agree with you FrancesDaphne, but why is the bishop fussing over language? 🤷 It makes as much sense to encourage everyone to use the Arabic version, “Allah,” as it does to encourage Muslims all over the world to use English, Greek, etc.

I have no problem in understanding and discussing faith with my Muslim coworkers, but I’ve never needed to change my language to do it. Likewise, they have never felt the need to change their language.
FrancesDaphne said:
Its really a matter of language.

When missionaries wanted to spread the Faith to Arabs, the only way to speak about God to them is through using the indigenous language - no?

yes we know muslims don’t refer to the Trinity when they say “Allah”

however,
when the Dutch Bishop spoke about God using the Arabic language - He’s merely referring to our Godhead 3 in 1!
(note that he speaks from a Catholic Perspective!)

The English language wasnt the 1st avenue God chose to pen His Holy Word… yet today we commonly refer to Our Father as “God”-- in English! (instead of Hebrew /Greek etc) :whacky:

please examine the good intentions of a person’s heart before accusing them of committing evil.

In multi-racial multi-cultural Singapore, the Church doesn’t get knotted up about language. :doh2:
I chat with my muslim friend and say a great “Amin” (arabic “Amen”) just as I would rattle off a chirpy “Amen!” in agreement to any piece of truth that glorifies God - :extrahappy:
My muslim friend was pleasantly surprised to hear my “Amin”… it definitely broke the ice between us and facilitated chat easily. :yup:

I find it crucial to** focus on being the 1st to extend our hands to others** - :hug3:

Which is more important?
1- understand others rather than seek to be understood (Prayer of St Francis)
or
2- fuss over the concept of Language?? :banghead: :ouch:
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beckers said:
Priest like this make me go :confused:

rnw.nl/news/news.html#5392766
Dutch bishop urges faithful to call God Allah
[Breda#Breda, The Netherlands] The Dutch Roman Catholic bishop Tiny Muskens is urging the faithful of all religions to call God Allah in order to foster mutual understanding. He says God does not mind what he is called and points out that Allah is the Arabic word for God.

The bishop of Breda, who is retiring in a few weeks, added he did not anticipate his ideas would find immediate acceptance. He expects this could take 100 or 200 years. Bishop Muskens has previously defied the Vatican by calling for the acceptance of married priests and the use of condoms to combat AIDS. He has also said that it is acceptable for the poor to steal bread.
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well, my humble opinion is this. i will stick to calling God by what i have always known Him as, God, Eternal Father, Almighty God,
heavenly Father. i just have used those names when addressing Him in the past for as long as i can remember. it is what iam comfortable using.
 
rlg94086 said:
Hmm…here’s another idea.

Why don’t people of all faiths call God “God?” After all, God doesn’t care what he is called, and ‘Allah’ is just Arabic for God. 🤷

I’m sure our Muslim brothers (religion of peace) won’t mind…:rolleyes:
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Exactly.
 
TraditionalCath said:
well, my humble opinion is this. i will stick to calling God by what i have always known Him as, God, Eternal Father, Almighty God,
heavenly Father. i just have used those names when addressing Him in the past for as long as i can remember. it is what iam comfortable using.
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I heard a tape with Scott Hahn, where he said calling God “Father” really bothers Muslims. He was in a debate with a Muslim and when he said “Our Holy Father,” the guy said he would end the debate unless Dr. Hahn stopped using the term. To them, it is a master-slave relationship.

May Our Holy Father bless us all,
Robert
 
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