I would agree that no one is infallible all the time. But wouldn’t you say that St. Paul was infallible when he wrote Romans?
BTW, sandusky, I don’t agree with your claim that Pope Pius IX thought that everyone who disagrees with the Immaculate Conception goes to hell. But if he did think that, then he was simply wrong.
Your Church has infallibly interpreted very few verses; as to why you misapply verses, it is my belief that it’s because you are required to understand Scripture in accordance with what is contained in the deposit of faith; therefore, your interpretation is not really your own, but that of your leadership.
What’s your understanding of that? Why do we have such different interpretations and understandings, you and me? Which one of us has the true Holy Spirit, and which one doesn’t? :ehh:
I’ve answered that for you, Phil. ISTM you should get off the roller coaster, sit down, and try paying attention to what’s been posted.
C’mon, there’s at least 33,000 different interpretations of what the CC teaches within the CC. Read the forums.
That’s not what the passage says. That’s a very simple passage to understand as it is simply and plainly stated by the writer, and every Catholic gets it wrong.
You tell us.
You mistakenly think the forums are the teachings of the church. They are not.
What authority do you have to say that?? We have the authority of the Church of Rome handed down from the Apostles. What authority do you have?That’s not what the passage says. That’s a very simple passage to understand as it is simply and plainly stated by the writer, and every Catholic gets it wrong.
and I am waiting to hear your response about what I said about Spurgeon’s statement. What answer do you have?C’mon, there’s at least 33,000 different interpretations of what the CC teaches within the CC. Read the forums.
That’s not what the passage says. That’s a very simple passage to understand as it is simply and plainly stated by the writer, and every Catholic gets it wrong.
You tell us.
And you, my friend, are as mistaken as you think I am, if you think that the confusion of 33,000 different denominations reflect the teachings of Moses, the prophets and the apostles; they don’t.
I have the authority of a God-given mind, and God-given reasoning abilities along with the indwelling Holy Spirit, and the ultimate authority of His word in writing.
That’s the claim.
I responded: “you tell us.”
But that’s exactly what they do claim, Sandusky, each one claims to have the correct interpretation and all claim the Holy Spirit led them to their interpretation. They can’t all be right… that is confusion and God is not the author of confusion.
each one of those differing denominations says exactly what you are saying, what makes your interpretation right when you differ on doctrines? Again, that is confusion…
That is the witness of History, Protestants ignorant by choice when it comes to history. You think that the Holy Spirit just took a 1500 year vacation until Luther and Calvin came along to “get it right” How absurd!
No Sandusky, YOU brought it up, its YOUR signature quote… you are just another “lone ranger” out there much like I was once…You brought it up.
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You don’t? But that would put the writings of those Christians that you really don’t think are that different from the prophets and apostles, on the same level as the writings of the prophets and apostles, that level being Scripture, which doesn’t line up with your first statement.
That includes you.
What makes yours right?
That’s what it’s about for you—an historical pedigree.
Some are.
Your vacation statement is what’s absurd.
I’m not at all like you. That I can correctly interpret 2 Pet 1:19-21, and you can’t, is but a small indication of that.
Was not your choice to become Catholic doing “what is right in your own eyes?” Or where you led by the HS. ISTM, that you were wrong once, why do think that you’re you not wrong now? History?
If you say so. :doh2:
I don’t believe those are even two of the verses the Church has infallibly interpreted. You said it yourself - the Church has infallibly interpreted very few verses. On the other hand, you have defined Scripture based on the prerequisite of SS. But just to get this straight, as long as an interpretation is my own, then it is not misused or misapplied (even though my interpretations are fallible). But once a leadership entity is involved, then it is misapplied?
Hey, what’s your opinion on the best brand of cheese? :ehh:
actually, I was born into a Baptist family, so I don’t think I was wrong once. I have always had a hunger to know God better than I did at any point in time, and I went from one denomination to another, learning more about Him and his people. I had no intention of becoming Catholic in the beginning but a series of books resulted in me reading Church history and the ECF in an Assembly of God bible college and then eventually reading the Catechism of the Catholic church along with the life of St Francis of Assisi I have to say that I was attracted to his spirituality. So, I don’t think its a matter of being right or wrong, I think it is a matter of growing in God, having a personal relationship with the Lord and doing whatever it takes to know Him better. I found the evidence for the claims of the RCC irrefutable and I came into line. I didn’t understand doctrines like purgatory or Mary at first but I decided to trust God and the Church that He built and I grew to realize that I had a lot of misconceptions about what Catholics believe. Now I feel that my relationship with Jesus is the same as I always had but more… its like I was in “Christianity Lite” in my former Protestant walk.
I’ve just re-read the entire thread and found this answered nowhere. What post # is this answered in?