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dolphinlove
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So everything in the quran is not islamic law? This is news to me.
Im sure if the quran specifies a man can have more than 1 wife, its a law?
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Im sure if the quran specifies a man can have more than 1 wife, its a law?
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Ontheway
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Most of the "saintly companions’ at that time were tribal warlords. But, if they were so saintly, why didn’t they marry a dozen women to “protect them during war and conflict”? Did they have enough slave concubines?
Your arguments don’t hold water.
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Servant19
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Maybe a clarification of the meaning of the word “law” will help.So everything in the quran is not islamic law? This is news to me.
Im sure if the quran specifies a man can have more than 1 wife, its a law?
Governments when passing down laws are not abiguous. Wear seatbelts, no speeding, no violence etc etc. No “may” in a law.
This verse in the Quran is ambiguous at best. It is the response to this ambiguity which is the test from God in the sincerity of the human heart.
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Servant19
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I don’t know with certainty the specific circumstances around the conflicts, I’m sorry.
We only go with what we have in the records available.
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Ontheway
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Great, Since we have brought this thread back to the topic, can you share some of the key sources of the information. I have the Koran and the hadiths. Is there more?
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dolphinlove
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Since you are a big fan of word play, lets look at it this way then, here is the verse again:
Sahih International: And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].
Dictionary meaning:
May: Use to express possibility
Then: used to indicate what happened or happens next
It does not say you ‘may’ or ‘might’. Its stating then, as in you can, but only if you can treat them fairly. To me, this is giving permission to a man to marry up to 4 women.
This is not a law? Is it not allah giving muslims permission to marry more than 1 wife?
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Techno2000
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Thanks Ontheway. I’m aware of this however my focus was on Baha’u’llah He had 3 wives. He forgot Jesus and followed customs of his own land. Odd for who is the 2nd coming of Christ!
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worldcitizen
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What about ‘Was Muhammad a Prophet of God’? That’s just asking an honest question without judgement.
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TonyBS
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Servant19
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Servant19
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The fact that a sinless being such as Abdu’l-Baha worshipped His own Father as the Lord of creation, and attributed His sinless life totally to His Father’s Divine nature, should tell you something.
One’s response to that reality is a good indication of where one is in their relationship with God…
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Techno2000
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dolphinlove…“Since you are a big fan of word play, lets look at it this way then, here is the verse again”You missed the word “BUT” at the start of the next sentence
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You proved dolphinlove’s point
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Servant19
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There’s a difference between “wordplay” and “reading with precision and clarity”dolphinlove…“Since you are a big fan of word play, lets look at it this way then, here is the verse again”
You proved dolphinlove’s point
I recommend it for the Bible and the Quran. Critical in fact…
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Ontheway
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The Koran, as I recall, was written in early medieval Arabic, not English. At that time the language had no written vowels, so interpreting the original text is difficult. Those who read Arabic find the original text nearly incomprehensible, and generally deal with this problem by saying something like “but it is beautiful; I don’t have to understand every word; it all comes from God”. These are actual explanations I have received from Arabic speaking Muslims.
This debate about text analysis of the modern English translation, and there are many DIFFERENT translations, seems a little pointless.
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Eric_Hilbert
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Stick with topic as I asked earlier or the infractions begin.
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JimmyDFG
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Records available? The hadiths a historical record used by Islamic historians?
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Servant19
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Hadiths have proven to be unreliable Jimmy.
Many contradict with each other and even more still contradict with the Quran.
In a court of law they would be all thrown out …
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Ontheway
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But, elsewhere you have stated that it is the Koran and the hadiths, And you have not revealed which version/translation of the Koran you use to substantiate your claims.
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