Earth only 6000 yrs old?

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I have read that some Christians believe the earth is only 6000 yrs old, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I believe those folks are sometimes called “young earthers”. Is there anybody on this board that actually believes this, and if so, what is your evidence?
 
The principles of science are, of course, entirely circumscribed by postulating that all things work by natural (i.e. secondary) causality. And, for the most part, the presumption is that the past must be described by the way this causality works observably and repeatedly today in order to extrapolate to the past. Explanations of the geological and cosmological record are based on these sorts of principles.

I, for one, find the current scientific explanations compelling. I do not find scientific creationism a better alternative. So I am not among those who take up the position you’re discussing.

However, I do want to point out a concern that I rarely hear discussed in these conversations. As Catholics, we do not believe that the cosmos will End by the natural principles scientists presently observe - - even though scientific theories postulate this as well. Instead, our belief in the future is wholly supernatural. Would you agree? We believe that Christ will appear in His glory and, by a new fiat, establish His Kingdom by the resurrection of the dead. If, in fact, this is our faith then why would a Christian rule out ex officio a wholly supernatural explanation of the Beginning?
 
Bottom line one Bishop Ussher added up the genologies in the bible to come up with a young earth. Seventh Day Adventist George McCready Price wrote books ‘Flood Geology’ which married Noah’s flood to an young earth chronology. These became tenents of the “fundamentals” which lost in the famious scopes trail. Since then, conservative christians have been defending this model while ignoring other models. Old earth creationism is seen as a compromise with modernism.

Likely the best case I have heard for young earth is given by Bob Dukto on WMUZ. wmuz.com

This book, Fallacies of Creationism by Willard Young exposes YEC and not one YEC has ever in print tried to respond to it.
 
mikew262 said:
I have read that some Christians believe the earth is only 6000 yrs old, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I believe those folks are sometimes called “young earthers”. Is there anybody on this board that actually believes this, and if so, what is your evidence?
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No there is no evidence and these people are as bad as the rabid atheists they egg on with their own errors.
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
talkorigins.org/

likely the best place to start on the net to investigate the various viewpoints.
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Hmm, I would not call Talkorgins a very balanced site! That’d be like going to “crazyfundieyoungearther.com” for a balanced opinion. Talkorgins is a fundamentalist Neo-darwinist website.

To the original poster:

There really is not much in the way of neutral ground, I’m making my way through this whole thing right now.

Some books: Finding Darwin’s God by Kenneth Miller, The Edge of Evolution by Michael Behe. Start there. Those are two pretty good books from opposing perspectives. That Behe book is pretty lame when it comes to “proof” for a designer, but the reason I included it is that it shows you that there are places where Neo-darwinism breaks down (even if you don’t buy Behe’s explanation).
 
I went through this with my SIL who attends a very fundamentalist Baptist high school.

Apparently, Noah had dinosaurs on the ark. When God created the flood, the water in the heavens that made the earth a tropic environment (thus allowing the dinosaurs to live) was annhilated, creating a mostly temperature climate. The dinosaurs then died off.
The reason the bones are baried so deep is because of the dirt displacement that occurred during the flood, burying the bones so it appeared that the bones were millions of years old, rather than only thousands.
 
Furacao said:
The principles of science are, of course, entirely circumscribed by postulating that all things work by natural (i.e. secondary) causality. And, for the most part, the presumption is that the past must be described by the way this causality works observably and repeatedly today in order to extrapolate to the past. Explanations of the geological and cosmological record are based on these sorts of principles.

I, for one, find the current scientific explanations compelling. I do not find scientific creationism a better alternative. So I am not among those who take up the position you’re discussing.

However, I do want to point out a concern that I rarely hear discussed in these conversations. As Catholics, we do not believe that the cosmos will End by the natural principles scientists presently observe - - even though scientific theories postulate this as well. Instead, our belief in the future is wholly supernatural. Would you agree? We believe that Christ will appear in His glory and, by a new fiat, establish His Kingdom by the resurrection of the dead. If, in fact, this is our faith then why would a Christian rule out ex officio a wholly supernatural explanation of the Beginning?
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Good points!
 
mschrank said:
No there is no evidence and these people are as bad as the rabid atheists they egg on with their own errors.
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I hang out on the Baptist forum sometimes. I just hang out, they won’t let Catholics join. The forum is full of “young earthers”. I just don’t get where they are coming from sometimes. I suppose they feel the same about Catholics. 😉
 
mikew262 said:
I have read that some Christians believe the earth is only 6000 yrs old, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I believe those folks are sometimes called “young earthers”. Is there anybody on this board that actually believes this, and if so, what is your evidence?
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The Adult Adam was only 1 day old, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. 😉
 
I hang out on the Baptist forum sometimes. I just hang out, they won’t let Catholics join. The forum is full of “young earthers”. I just don’t get where they are coming from sometimes. I suppose they feel the same about Catholics.
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As a lawyer that once dreamed of being a Biologist and a bird watcher (AUDOBON member) I can say that nothing can be more stubornly retarded on the subject of evolution that a fundamentalist Baptist.
Other creationists usually kept to themselves.
Baptist fundies often think that their views are the only one period.
And the problem is that this is not theology but science.
Debating them is like, “well my KJV does not say that” so forget about the evidence. 🤷
 
mschrank said:
No there is no evidence and these people are as bad as the rabid atheists they egg on with their own errors.
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Question for you, if the first few chapters of Genesis didn’t happen as the Bible says then how did sin enter the world? Why do we need a savior? If we just evolved over millions or billions of years then why should we even believe in God? How do you know the rest of the Bible is correct? Jesus talked about Adam and Eve as if they really existed.
 
In God’s realm of “time”, One day in creation could be a million or a billion years in our time. When God authored scripture using man as the writter, I doubt they had an understanding of what a BILLION years could possibly mean. God inspired them to use words and such that they could wrap their minds around and understand.

God existed Before time, not the other way around. So, One year in the story of creation just very well have been a Billion earth years.
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
Bottom line one Bishop Ussher added up the genologies in the bible to come up with a young earth. Seventh Day Adventist George McCready Price wrote books ‘Flood Geology’ which married Noah’s flood to an young earth chronology. These became tenents of the “fundamentals” which lost in the famious scopes trail. Since then, conservative christians have been defending this model while ignoring other models. Old earth creationism is seen as a compromise with modernism.
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Sort of like how the Darwinists defend evolution while ignoring other models—even when the other models are supported by extensive evidence which upsets the Darwinist theory. (shrug)
talkorigins.org/
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likely the best place to start on the net to investigate the various viewpoints.
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Make sure you offset that one with this one before making any decisions. 😉
trueorigin.org/
 
Is fun how YEC blame everything on Darwin.
They forget that evolution is not the only thing that conflicts a Young Earth.
What about:
  1. Cosmology and Astronomy?
  2. Geology?
  3. Archeology?
  4. Linguistics?
    All them support Old Earth. And a older Universe.
 
mikew262 said:
Huh? You lost me. How do you figure that? :confused:
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If God could create an adult Adam and and adult Eve, why cant he create an adult Universe? So the day immediately after the creation, Adam & Eve was already an adult even though they were only 1 day old. Same logic with the universe: appears to be billions of years old even though God just finished creating it top to bottom 6 days ago.

Thats what theologians call the “Old Earth Creationism”.
 
inthecloud said:
As a lawyer that once dreamed of being a Biologist and a bird watcher (AUDOBON member) I can say that nothing can be more stubornly retarded on the subject of evolution that a fundamentalist Baptist.
Other creationists usually kept to themselves.
Baptist fundies often think that their views are the only one period.
And the problem is that this is not theology but science.
Debating them is like, “well my KJV does not say that” so forget about the evidence. 🤷
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Case in point: The “science” especially the “biology” program at Bob Jones University
 
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