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Eleve
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Well, in KJV-only Evangelical Christianity, of course.
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StrawberryJam
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The dates of celebration don’t matter. It would not throw me for a loop if christians told me they took former pagan dates and christianized them.
The word Easter does not even matter.
What would matter is the reason for the celebration, and the meaning and purpose of it.
The word Easter does not even matter.
What would matter is the reason for the celebration, and the meaning and purpose of it.
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Byzantine_Wolf
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Hey, if the KJV was good for Jesus, it’s good for me.
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Robert_in_SD
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And did you know that the name “America” is said by many to come from the name of an italian explorer named Amerigo Vespucci? Hmm? US citizens must really be italians if we all live in “America”
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Gabriel_of_12
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I missed this post, the KJV did not come into existance 1600 years after the resurrection and over 1300 years after the Catholic church had already canonized the bible.
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promethius
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I’m pretty bad at picking up humor in text form, but I’m still reasonably sure that was a joke…I missed this post, the KJV did not come into existance 1600 years after the resurrection and over 1300 years after the Catholic church had already canonized the bible.
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juliamajor
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I think the OP has left the building. Too bad. I was waiting for the The Dagon- mitre connection and that Babylonian/Catholic mystery connection! Some the most oft quoted piece of **** around.
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IanCorrigan
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100% false. Ishtar is a middle eastern divinity of love and war - she has nothing to do with the spring equinox, and no linguistic relationship with the word easter.
“Easter” is from roots that also produce the word “east”, and refer to the rising of the sun. The Venerable Bede refers to an Anglo-Saxon Goddess named “Eostre”, but that figure is attested nowhere else in English lore, and is considered suspect. If there were such a figure she would be related to Goddesses such as the Goddess Eos of the greeks or Aurora of the Romans - Goddesses of dawn. None of this has any linguistic relationship with the much older and foreign Queen of Heaven, Ishtar.
The term ‘Easter’ simply means “the dawn feast” and refers to the sunrise customs still common among Christian paschal celebrations.
Every single thing in the famous fraud “Mystery Babylon” is nonsense, and should be discounted by Pagans and Christians alike.
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Gabriel_of_12
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Wow, now I totally missed it? was my question a joke, or Jesus reading a KJVersion of the bibe a joke?I’m pretty bad at picking up humor in text form, but I’m still reasonably sure that was a joke…
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Byzantine_Wolf
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As the late Ed McMahon used to say, “You are CORRECT, sir!”I’m pretty bad at picking up humor in text form, but I’m still reasonably sure that was a joke…
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Ghoti
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I thought “IHS” stood for “I haz salvashun”…No, Catholicism is related to Egyptian religion. Catholics worship the sun-god in the Eucharist, and the IHS really stands for Isis, Horus, and Seb, the Egyptian Trinity.
…I’ve been spending too much time on CARM
I’m sure it’s here in my Cat-lic Lolgate Bible…
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Ghoti
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Of course there’s Good Friday – which originally was God-Frey-Daeg, or the day for worshipping the god Freyr, right?
All our day-names are calqued from Latin, replacing Latin pagan gods with Anglo-Saxon “equivalent” pagan gods. Our months also come from Latin names – some after pagan gods (March < Martius < Mars, January < Januarius < Janus), some after deified humans (August < Augustus < Augustus Caesar).
And it’s all irrelevant. Christians do not worship “Eostre” or “Ishtar” or the Babylonian “Esh-Ka-Bib-El” at Easter anymore than we worship Saturn on Holy Saturday or Tiw on Shrove Tuesday (or for that matter, Mars on Mardi Gras).
They’re just names.
This reminds me of a website I saw once that stated we shouldn’t say “Amen” because it’s invoking the name of an Egyptian god.
“Sekhmet! Bastet! Imset! Ptah!
Amen! Aten! Ra Ra Ra!”
(Fight song, University of Memphis)
All our day-names are calqued from Latin, replacing Latin pagan gods with Anglo-Saxon “equivalent” pagan gods. Our months also come from Latin names – some after pagan gods (March < Martius < Mars, January < Januarius < Janus), some after deified humans (August < Augustus < Augustus Caesar).
And it’s all irrelevant. Christians do not worship “Eostre” or “Ishtar” or the Babylonian “Esh-Ka-Bib-El” at Easter anymore than we worship Saturn on Holy Saturday or Tiw on Shrove Tuesday (or for that matter, Mars on Mardi Gras).
They’re just names.
This reminds me of a website I saw once that stated we shouldn’t say “Amen” because it’s invoking the name of an Egyptian god.
“Sekhmet! Bastet! Imset! Ptah!
Amen! Aten! Ra Ra Ra!”
(Fight song, University of Memphis)
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Byzantine_Wolf
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People also forget the early Christians, at least in the east, referred to them by Greek names. The name for Sunday in Greek is Kyriakke, or “The Lord’s Day.” It wasn’t Sunday. The Greeks, incidentally, even call it this to this day.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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It doesn’t. The source for that idea bases its case for the idea on very weak arguments; as follows:
- Then look at Easter. What means the term Easter itself? It is not a Christian name. It bears its Chaldean origin on its very forehead. Easter is nothing else than Astarte, one of the titles of Beltis, the queen of heaven, whose name, as pronounced by the people of Nineveh, was evidently identical with that now in common use in this country.
- That name, as found by Layard on the Assyrian monuments, is Ishtar. The worship of Bel and Astarte was very early introduced into Britain, along with the Druids, “the priests of the groves.” Some have imagined that the Druidical worship was first introduced by the Phoenicians, who, centuries before the Christian era, traded to the tin-mines of Cornwall. But the unequivocal traces of that worship are found in regions of the British islands where the Phoenicians never penetrated, and it has everywhere left indelible marks of the strong hold which it must have had on the early British mind. From Bel, the 1st of May is still called Beltane in the Almanac; and we have customs still lingering at this day among us, which prove how exactly the worship of Bel or Moloch (for both titles belonged to the same god) had been observed even in the northern parts of this island. “The late Lady Baird, of Fern Tower, in Perthshire,” says a writer in “Notes and Queries,” thoroughly versed in British antiquities, “told me, that every year, at Beltane (or the 1st of May), a number of men and women assemble at an ancient Druidical circle of stones on her property near Crieff. They light a fire in the centre, each person puts a bit of oat-cake in a shepherd’s bonnet; they all sit down, and draw blindfold a piece from the bonnet. One piece has been previously blackened, and whoever gets that piece has to jump through the fire in the centre of the circle, and pay a forfeit. This is, in fact, a part of the ancient worship of Baal, and the person on whom the lot fell was previously burnt as a sacrifice. Now, the passing through the fire represents that, and the payment of the forfeit redeems the victim.” If Baal was thus worshipped in Britain, it will not be difficult to believe that his consort Astarte was also adored by our ancestors, and that from Astarte, whose name in Nineveh was Ishtar,
- the religious solemnities of April, as now practised, are called by the name of Easter–that month, among our Pagan ancestors, having been called Easter-monath. The festival, of which we read in Church history, under the name of Easter, in the third or fourth centuries, was quite a different festival from that now observed in the Romish Church, and at that time was not known by any such name as Easter. It was called Pasch, or the Passover, and though not of Apostolic institution, * was very early observed by many professing Christians, in commemoration of the death and resurrection of Christ.
Besides, having the name of a thing is not a proof of having the nature of that thing - “cat-gut” is nothing to do with cats, despite the name. A “bull market”, despite its name, has no connection with bulls.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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That’s a bunch of hooey. It has not roots in Mesopotamia- next thing will hear is how Catholicism is related to Babylonian religion!
How did you guess 
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**It would be very useful if all the variant forms of this idea could be traced - “The Two Babylons” is the source of most of this stuff, but not of all of it. **
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Byzantine_Wolf
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The original manuscript for the Gospel of John opened, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word read the authorized 1611 King James Bible.”
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Le_Cracquere
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**All that is one paragraph in the original. For a book written in the 1850s, as this book was, it is an understandable mistake - but it is still a mistake, however understandable. If the name of the goddess Ishtar is the origin of the word Easter, one has to explain why the feast is called Easter only in English. The author does not explain how the name of the Assyrian-Babylonian goddess found its way into Old English. It’s not absolutely impossible, at least in principle - but it cannot be asserted as a fact without further ado; & there is no reason to believe it underlies either the word Easter, or the Church feast. **
Besides, having the name of a thing is not a proof of having the nature of that thing - “cat-gut” is nothing to do with cats, despite the name. A “bull market”, despite its name, has no connection with bulls.
Not to mention, any philologist would laugh out of his office anyone who thought the Indo-European “Eostre” could be derived from the unrelated Semitic name “Ashtoreth/Ashtarte.” As linguistic scholarship, that’s roughly on par with saying that a girl named Kellie is an avatar of the Hindu Kali.
Besides, having the name of a thing is not a proof of having the nature of that thing - “cat-gut” is nothing to do with cats, despite the name. A “bull market”, despite its name, has no connection with bulls.
Not to mention, any philologist would laugh out of his office anyone who thought the Indo-European “Eostre” could be derived from the unrelated Semitic name “Ashtoreth/Ashtarte.” As linguistic scholarship, that’s roughly on par with saying that a girl named Kellie is an avatar of the Hindu Kali.
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Gottle_of_Geer
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To hear about Dagon & his mitre, one has to go to the right websites.
The favourite bits in that book seem to be- the stuff about the Mass
- “Dagon” & his “mitre”
- Ishtar & Easter
- IOW, parts of chapters 3, 4 & 6. Some people have really interesting ideas: one person suggested that the Gregorian Calendar was evil because the “great red dragon” in Rev.12 was connected with the coat of arms of Gregory XIII; the Pope’s arms had a dragon as one of the supporters.
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