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h1478971
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Can someone explain to me how the Easter Vigil in th OF form proceeds? How does it differ from Masses of the other Sundays?
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benedictgal
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The Easter Vigil should begin outside with the blessing of the fire and the blessing of the new Paschal Candle. After the candle has been blessed, there is a procession with it to the church. At three different intervals, the priest/deacon will chant “Christ, our Light.” The faithful will respond, “Thanks be to God.” During all of this, the faithful light their candles from the Paschal Candle.
Once the procession reaches the altar, the Paschal Candle is placed at its rightful location in the sanctuary (next to the ambo). Then, the Exultet will be chanted. The lights should all be on at this point, I believe. After that, the candles are extinguished (except for the Paschal Candle) and the OT readings begin. In between each reading is the psalm and then a prayer. These should be seven, but, for pastoral reasons, they may be cut to five or less. However, the third reading, the account from Exodus, is not to be passed over. After the final OT reading and psalm are proclaimed and the final prayer recited, the faithful stand up for the singing of the Gloria. The collect is then recited by the celebrant.
Then, the faithful are seated for the proclamation of the Epistle. Then, the faithful stand for the chanting of the triple Alleluia (sung thrice with three verses) and remain standing for the Gospel.
After the homily, if there are baptisms and confirmations of the Elect, these will take place. The new water is blessed and the RCIA rites occur. If there is no one to be baprtized, the new water is still blessed, the faithful renew their baptismal promises and the celebrant blessed them with the new water.
After that, the Mass proceeds as usual with the Liturgy of the Eucharist.
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choy
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my priest explained that there are two MUST read OT readings. so if the priest decides not to read all seven, those two are to be included always (i forgot which two)
also, an interesting historical fact, that originaly the Gospel of John was not read during ordinary time, but was read in its entirety during Easter Vigil
also, an interesting historical fact, that originaly the Gospel of John was not read during ordinary time, but was read in its entirety during Easter Vigil
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OraLabora
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Historically, before Vatican II, there was no such thing as Ordinary Time.
What is now Ordinary Time was the time after Epiphany and the time after Pentecost. and Septuagesima preceded Lent, and the ceasing of the “Alleluia” commenced on Septuagesima Sunday, not at Lent.
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choy
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okay, then let me rephrase that
the Gospel of John was read only during the Easter Vigil, and was meant to be read in its entirety
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OraLabora
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They must have had great capacity to stay alert in those days! I fell asleep during this year’s Easter Vigil because I had been up really early to rehearse and then chant Holy Saturday Lauds at our local cathedral.
I would assume too that they, umm, didn’t drink a big mug of coffee before the Vigil
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kingal86
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It might depend if coffee had reached Christendom yet when that was done, I’m not sure when Europeans started drinking itThey must have had great capacity to stay alert in those days! I fell asleep during this year’s Easter Vigil because I had been up really early to rehearse and then chant Holy Saturday Lauds at our local cathedral.
I would assume too that they, umm, didn’t drink a big mug of coffee before the Vigil
There’s a legend of the Austrians opening their famous coffeehouses in Vienna with coffee left behind by retreating Ottoman Turkish troops.How long would it haven taken to read the whole of John’s Gospel out loud (presumably in Latin)?
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Chatter163
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Source of this claim?
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CDNowak
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Let’s see about 30 pages (in my NAB) would be around 1/2 hr-45 min, IIRC?
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benedictgal
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Actually, the one that is never to be omitted is the account of the crossing of the Red Sea from the Exodus:
The OP can get detailed information about the Easter Vigil and all of the Holy Week liturgies here:
adoremus.org/PaschalisSollemnitatis.html#anchor273891
I hope it helps.
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CDNowak
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From my hand Missal: “The number of readings from the Old Testament may be reduced for pastoral reasons, but it must always be borne in mind that the the reading of the word of God is the fundamental element of the Easter Vigil. At least three readings from the Old Testament should be read, although for more serious reasons the number may be reduced to two. The reading of, Exodus 14 (Third Reading), however, is never to be omitted.” (from the New…Saint Joseph Sunday Missal).
I have always heard 1st, 3rd, and 5th when only three were read (seemingly following the logic of the three retelling salvation history).
I have always heard 1st, 3rd, and 5th when only three were read (seemingly following the logic of the three retelling salvation history).
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choy
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my parish priest who studied extensively the Gospel of John (went to Europe for extensive studies for this)Source of this claim?
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choy
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our priest kept reminding us this, that the 2-3 hours we’re up for Easter Vigil was nothing compared to those daysThey must have had great capacity to stay alert in those days! I fell asleep during this year’s Easter Vigil because I had been up really early to rehearse and then chant Holy Saturday Lauds at our local cathedral.
I would assume too that they, umm, didn’t drink a big mug of coffee before the Vigil
then again, you’ll be surprised what some people do. in the Philippines its a tradition that we have 9 pre-dawn masses before Christmas (16th-24th), held at 4-5am. and the churches are always packed, like if you come 5 minutes before mass, you’re definitely hearing mass outside of the church building. and these people still have to go to work or school afterwards
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Chatter163
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Sorry, you will have to do better than that. I can assure you that in the EF no such reading occurred, so in order for us to believe that this was done prior to the late Middle Ages, you would need to provide us with a real source. Thanks.
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choy
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my priest is a real source, if you were in our parish this morning he would have said mass and you could have received communion from him. how real is that?
you have every right to believe or not to believe. its your right. i shared what has been shared to me
i do not think he’s talking about the Tridentine Mass in regards to an all-night vigil with the Gospel of John. he’s talking about something was back in early Christianity
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kingal86
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Oh, not as long as I was thinking then. I haven’t got al the way through John’s Gospel yet, so was probably imagining it was longer.
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CDNowak
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I do find this believable, the twelve Prophesies were considered the culmination of catechesis, which would be incomplete without the Gospel (and the concept of a vigil was much more literal and common.
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choy
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this could be one of his sources, got this from Wikipedia’s entry on Easter Vigil
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benedictgal
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However, with all due respect, Wikipedia is not an authoritative source. Do you have any authoritative documentation from the Church to sustain this claim?
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choy
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you already have the authoritative source in that quote. read the first line. i lifted that from the footnotes for Easter Vigil in Wikipedia
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