Thanks for this referral. Metropolitan Kallistos is always very helpful. I’m interested in this section of the vido as well because, off topic, I’m been thinking about the new translation of the Roman Missal which will begin the Creed “I”, as we pray it in the Divine Liturgy and as the Latin “Credo” translates, although the original Creed in the Greek established by the first ecumenical council was “We” which has been and currently is the usage in the Roman Rite Ordinary Form of the Holy Mass. Metropolitan Kallistos talks about this in the section you have referred to here and then further explores extensively the use of “I” and “we” throughout the liturgy.
Are you referring to what might be called the “royal we” such as when Queen Elizabeth speaks? Thanks for that reminder. But I don’t think that is the “we” in “We believe in…”, or “we” used in invoking the Holy Spirit at the Epiclesis, the “we” Metropolitan Kallistos is examining in the litrugy.
However, in the Latin Church, the** form** of marriage approved by the Church is needed for the validity of marriage, so it not only the couples valid consent that makes the marriage valid. In that respect, Latin and Eastern Catholic are similar in practice.
Yes, the Royal We, which, if in persona Christi, then the person of Christ is absolutely proper to use it…
The answer is NO…I’ve been searching these forums and the internet for days. Thats one of the reasons why I have asked so many questions on these Eastern Catholic forums lol. Ordination would be highly unlikely. Unfortunate but it is what it is, and the latin rite has had a mandatory celibate clergy since 1120. Doesn’t really make sense to me, but part of being Catholic means obedience. Look into the diaconate.
Technically it can be done (but will they approve it?), requiring about 5 years seminary, after a four year college degree, by transferring first to an Eastern Catholic Church, but then it would be required to live in the original territory of the Church in Europe (as one priest explained it for the Byzantine) before being able to be assigned to a US parish. It would require living on a small budget and the wife has to agree to all this, and both must be living good examples to others.
Have you ever known of a case like this?
Don’t get your hopes up.
No. I heard my (Byzantine) pastor say it could be done, but would require living outside the USA for a time. He was answering a question from a married man of the Latin Church who asked if he could become a Byzantine priest.
Regardless of whether he COULD or not, he really shouldn’t. Wishing to claim the priesthood while skirting the evangelical counsels implicit in that vocation is an incredibly poor reason to change rites. One should only change rites because the Holy Spirit has led them to that rite for its sake, not as a means for becoming a priest that can have sex. If a Latin is married, then regardless of how he feels he is not called to the priesthood (exempting, of course, converts from Anglicanism who become ordained according to the canonical exeptions).
What if that was ONE of MANY reasons? And I also feel that your rationale for a priest wanting to get married simply so he can “have sex” is a tad bit disrespectful to all our married clergy (and even popes) that were in the church before 1139, and to all the eastern rite married clergy. Sex is a major part of marriage, but its not the only component.
It makes no difference. The current discipline in the Latin Church is for a strictly celibate secular clergy. Period. Feeling a call to both marriage and Holy Orders is not a valid reason to translate to another Church sui juris.
This isn’t my argument, but I don’t see any disrespect whatsoever in Cecilianus’ post.
Go attend an EC parish- do it more than once. You don’t need anyone’s permission to do that. Beyond that, I pray God will guide you.