Eastern Confession

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Confessionals? Is this a Ukrainian thing?
It’s a persistent latinization supported by peoples’ desires for privacy.
What Aramis said. I a way I agree too that it is hard to do confessions when you’re within an earshot of other people. Although my last RC parish was able to accomplish this. We didn’t have confessionals, just the kneelers with the screen. And when we have confession service, there’s 4-6 priests around the parish and lots of people. But it was never a problem.
 
Kneel in the Confessional that has an Icon of Christ. I think it is a good latinization. Why? Because I have heard some people break down sobbing in a Confessional, not exactly something you want to do in public. And I would be terrified of being heard.
Your just full of love for Latinizations aren’t you? 😃 There is no such thing as a good Latinization! 😛
 
We have an analogion near the iconostasis with a Gospel Book and a blessing cross upon it as I’ve seen in Russian Orthodox parishes. I’ve never seen anyone engaged in confession there. Father usually hears confessions before the Liturgy of Preparation in a beautiful room one might call a chapel in the Latin Church, across the hall from the temple room. It’s covered in beautiful old icons and has an analogion with a Gospel Book and a blessing cross. I’ve never done any kind of inquiry but I’m pretty sure most of the parishioners go to confession with Latin priests they have ongoing experience with for confession and/or spiritual direction.
 
Ciero,

I went to a Latin Catholic high school ran by the Christian Brothes. They started having Confessions about once a month in the Chapel, so people who were confessing were in the same room with the people waiting in line with absolutley no barriers. Confessions were done in about 20 min. Then they moved the Confessions into offices, with windows in the door for insurance purposes, with the people waiting outside. Confessions took on average 4 hours more on every occassion than before.

Traditions, small t, are very important to you. Good for you. But when I see a Latinization that helps the spiritual life of the people, except for messing with the Office or Liturgy, I am all for it. The Church is about bringing people to Christ, not about upholding small t traditions.

Also my UGCC parish that has Confessionals has more Confessions in a week than the Maronite Parish, that does not have Confessionals, in 6 months even though that parish easily is four times larger than my parish.

I think Latinizations should be optional, and if it helps the people spiritually than that is great. The Liturgy and Office, being the public prayer of the Church, must be untouched. Some people, on the other hand, would rather have a parish full of small t traditions at the expense of giving the people a full range of spiritual medicine to help them in their journeys. 🤷
 
Ciero,

I went to a Latin Catholic high school ran by the Christian Brothes. They started having Confessions about once a month in the Chapel, so people who were confessing were in the same room with the people waiting in line with absolutley no barriers. Confessions were done in about 20 min. Then they moved the Confessions into offices, with windows in the door for insurance purposes, with the people waiting outside. Confessions took on average 4 hours more on every occassion than before.

Traditions, small t, are very important to you. Good for you. But when I see a Latinization that helps the spiritual life of the people, except for messing with the Office or Liturgy, I am all for it. The Church is about bringing people to Christ, not about upholding small t traditions.

Also my UGCC parish that has Confessionals has more Confessions in a week than the Maronite Parish, that does not have Confessionals, in 6 months even though that parish easily is four times larger than my parish.

I think Latinizations should be optional, and if it helps the people spiritually than that is great. The Liturgy and Office, being the public prayer of the Church, must be untouched. Some people, on the other hand, would rather have a parish full of small t traditions at the expense of giving the people a full range of spiritual medicine to help them in their journeys. 🤷
Smad…why not work within the tradition rather then impose another Latinization? The church where I attend on a more or less regular basis is a tiny chapel no more then 20 feet from the Iconastasis to the back wall of the chapel. There are usually at least 50 or more people crammed in (dont tell the fire marshal :D). Confessions are heard at the iconastasis where it is properly done. Almost all of those 50 people will confess. Confessions are heard during the reading of the 3rd & 6th hours before Divine Liturgy, by hearing confessions while the reading of the Office is going on…people cant hear what is going on between priest and penitent. If confessions run longer then the hours either the Divine Liturgy starts or if there is only one priest that day the cantor will start reading the pre communion prayers aloud. This both takes care of the “problem” as well as keeping things within the tradition. The local Ruthenian parish has turned their old confessional into a great broom closet. 😃
 
Those are great ideas for the hearing issue. Truly I had never thought of them. But I come back to the emotional issue, especially considering the fact that I hope teenages will be at my Church one day again ;). I have seen plenty of teenage girls come out of Confession crying, and heard them sobbing moments before. For the moments like that the Confessional is superior. Heck I have seen the same happen with veterans, so it might be superior for everyone when the Grace of Christ finally breaks down all the barriers. 👍
 
Those are great ideas for the hearing issue. Truly I had never thought of them. But I come back to the emotional issue, especially considering the fact that I hope teenages will be at my Church one day again ;). I have seen plenty of teenage girls come out of Confession crying, and heard them sobbing moments before. For the moments like that the Confessional is superior. Heck I have seen the same happen with veterans, so it might be superior for everyone when the Grace of Christ finally breaks down all the barriers. 👍
I disagree that confessionals are superior in any way shape or form. There is NO NEED for any Latinizations of our Eastern traditions. I guess we agree to disagree.🙂
 
For what it’s worth, in traditional Latin churches the confessional is not completely closed off (only the priest is ‘hidden’ from view) and it is located within the nave along the side…that’s what you see in Rome. In my local cathedral, the confessionals are completely “closed off”, but still in the nave just off the side from the sanctuary/altar rail…so while the very presence of a confessional is different, perhaps the traditional ‘location’ for confession isn’t that far off between East and West.
 
I disagree that confessionals are superior in any way shape or form. There is NO NEED for any Latinizations of our Eastern traditions. I guess we agree to disagree.🙂
Why then think of it as Latinization? Just call it a really tiny room for hearing confession :rolleyes:

If 5Loaves’ Russian Catholic parish can have a small room for confessions, ours too! Only the room is small enough to fit only one person and has a window to another small room where the priest would sit. Its not a confessional, just two small rooms adjacent to each other with a window :rolleyes:
 
Why then think of it as Latinization? Just call it a really tiny room for hearing confession :rolleyes:

If 5Loaves’ Russian Catholic parish can have a small room for confessions, ours too! Only the room is small enough to fit only one person and has a window to another small room where the priest would sit. Its not a confessional, just two small rooms adjacent to each other with a window :rolleyes:
Made me LOL.
 
For what it’s worth, in traditional Latin churches the confessional is not completely closed off (only the priest is ‘hidden’ from view) and it is located within the nave along the side…that’s what you see in Rome. In my local cathedral, the confessionals are completely “closed off”, but still in the nave just off the side from the sanctuary/altar rail…so while the very presence of a confessional is different, perhaps the traditional ‘location’ for confession isn’t that far off between East and West.
The new Latin Cathedral of Christ the Light in Oakland has something akin to that, The confessionals have a chair and a kneeler, which if you sit in the chair you face the priest but he is on the other side of a sort of grid of 2X4s with so much spacing in between each board you can easily see one another. The kneeler faces the grid right where the priests chair is on the other side of the grid, so that from the kneeling position the priest has his shoulder/ear to you. So the priest in his chair doesn’t move but the place the penitent chooses on the other side of the grid, chair or kneeler, determines the physical relationship between the two. I like the arrangement. There is nothing that really separates this area from the rest of the Cathedral in terms of a wall so people waiting in line can’t exactly hear what the priest and penitent are saying, can’t see them, but you can hear their voices.

At the Russian Orthodox church I’m often in their analogion with a Gospel Book and a blessing cross upon is next to the end of the iconostasis in full view. I usually stay until the Hours are over and so I do see confession going on but I think you’d be hard pressed to hear anything, between the physical proximity of the priest and penitent and the Hours being chanted.

If I ever were to decide to have Confession in my parish I’d be very inclined to do it in the temple at the analogion for Confessions or directly in front of the Icon of Christ. I can’t imagine Father would have any problem with that. I’m very fond of the penitential services we have twice a year in the Latin Deanery where we have a group service of directed examine of conscience followed by confessions. There are about 8 or 10 priests stationed in various locations in the church in plain view. I love seeing people making their confession. It seems very like the usual Orthodox/EC arrangement,
 
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