Toward Lutherans, or toward LCMS confessions? We love Lutherans! The LCMS confessions, however, and what they have to say about the Holy Father and our holy doctrines, not so much.
Ask the Lutheran Church. They’re the ones who said it - have no idea. And that’s not accusational in the least, because I have no idea of what they’re talking about.
I don’t think it’s the LCMS folks themselves that are causing the issue. I think it’s the official statement from the church itself. I might not like the elected leader of a country and/or his or her decisions, but I’m intelligent enough to not blame the citizens as a whole. Same here. I’ve met some crazy members of other churches, but I don’t blame every single member of it or think that all of them think the same way. Again, same here.
I won’t deny people say that and/or words to that effect, but I think there’s a difference in individual people saying that and an official statement from the church itself actually specifically pointing out another denomination of fellow Christians. I’ve never heard the Catholic Church come right out and say anything like that about the LCMS. Hey, I’ve been told I’m damned to hell by JWs and even some Baptists - and that was as a Methodist. I just think, okay, whatever you say, and go on about my business.Pup7:
Again, does the Catholic Church anything different about NonCatholics? I’ve heard that refrain countless times here at CAF.
“Outside the Church there is no salvation.”
Just a heads up: die-hard LCMS pastors and ‘laity’ alike will attemp to redefine and reinterpret their public confessions to mean something that is not there. Instead of admitting not only their synod’s errors, and their antipathy for the Catholic Church and the Holy Father, they will equivocate and play semantic and context gymnastics to try to masquerade these blatant and malicious statements. Sophistry of words is their MO, so it seems.
No, it’s anti-LCMS individuals on this forum who refuse to accept that the LCMS determines what its teachings mean, not anyone else.
So, do you, your father, two grandfathers, one cousin, and one uncle’s cousin confess to believe: “As to the Antichrist we teach that the prophecies of the Holy Scriptures concerning the Antichrist, 2 Thess. 2:3-12; 1 John 2:18 have been fulfilled in the Pope of Rome”?
I do, I honestly do, as it pertains to the LCMS and its view of the Pope and the Catholic Church! How can the LCMS “[affirm] the Christian identity of [Catholicism]” when their confessions profess the Pope as being the Antichrist, that he “anathematizes the very heart of the Gospel of Christ”, and that the Catholic Church is in “apostasy”?
I cannot wrap my head around people who know about these statements, and yet, continue to incorrigibly deny their elements, and neglect to tell other LCMS members who still have no clue. I had to find out autonomously when I was a Lutheran because no Lutheran pastor would dare want to admit, let alone inform me, of being part of a Christian denomination that spewed such disdain towards the Church Christ founded.
Why even bother with Lutherans or EO or any other non-Catholics since salvation of every human creature is dependent on being in communion with the pope?
Because unfeigned love for ‘every human creature’ desires ‘salvation’ for ‘Lutherans’, ‘EO’, and ‘other non Catholics’. I desire, pray, and hope that you, and every other non-Catholic, come home to the Church Christ founded to receive the fullness of Truth, especially in the Holy Eucharist in Whom we receive the fullness of divinity. That is why I ‘bother’.
Which is sad! Because, opposing the Vicar of Christ is to oppose Christ Himself. I’m not insinuating anything by that; but, what is the point of Christ giving the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to Saint Peter if all anyone should ever do to obtain eternal life is merely to believe in a Scripture passage, even if ‘membership’ in some ‘tradition’ has doctrinal error mixed in with that tradition?
I look at it in a different way. You don’t need us to receive grace through word and sacrament, and we don’t need you for the same. You don’t need us to receive salvation and likewise we don’t need you.
And most of us believe that the See of Rome, the most important see, is damaged by the claim of universal jurisdiction.
Do you believe that the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, given solely to Saint Peter, does not give him the universal jurisdiction over the Church?
