Easterners, what do YOU believe about the Papacy?

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No, I don’t recognize it as being disastrous, but then I only believe in one true church.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Do you think Eastern Catholic Churches will exist in parallel to Orthodox Churches in the event of a reunion?
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i dont hope for a reunion where we have catholic then orthodox, personally i wont call that a union. I hope for a church where each and every local church gathered under it bishop is both catholic and orthodox each with her own rite under her patriarch with a well define and understood concept of primacy.
Ubenedictus
 
Trebor135 said:
And that completely misstates the problem. More accurate (said from the standpoint of 1869) would be, “If Pastor Aeternus is promulgated, it will send a message to the Orthodox that we’re not really serious about re-union.”

For this one thing alone (his involvement in such a catastrophic move), Blessed Pius XI cannot command our veneration.
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i hear many talking about the first century, but that is where im fearful, the orthodox will not allow the pope to even claim the power many church father ascribe to peter.
Pastor aethernus isnt bad if we are looking from the writting on peter, that is how the latins see it but the orthodox will disagree.
Ubenedictus
 
GaryTaylor said:
Whos the parent church? Key phrase being Communion with Rome. Thus the parent Church.

The fact that Orthodox Catholics choose to be in Communion with Rome indicates their choice of where they desire to be, as does the above statement. Its not a matter of choice in preference of Latin or Byzantine. One could do this anyway. The issue becomes the communion thus unity of the church.
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Rome is no mother church nor THE Mother Church which is Jerusalem. Rome could have been a mother church but that never happened thanks to Gregorian Reformations IIRC. I never knew why Rome didn’t let the Gallican Church, the Anglosaxon Church, the Spanish Church or other patriarchates exist unlike the other Churches like Antioch or Constantinople which had some daughter churches.
 
Trebor135 said:
You don’t recognize as disastrous how the doctrines of papal supremacy and infallibility have by their dogmatization been turned into a pair of enormous obstacles in the way of Catholic-Orthodox reunion–for no good reason?
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personally i think it depends on the ‘lens’ you are using, peter was the head of the early church and that headship should continue the latins would say, the greek wont agree or may explain the quotes in a different way. Your ‘for no good reason’ phrase doesnt even cut it.
Ubenedictus
 
Wisely said:
Rome is no mother church nor THE Mother Church which is Jerusalem. Rome could have been a mother church but that never happened thanks to Gregorian Reformations IIRC.
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Hey wisely, do you agree with the teachings of the Church Fathers?
Wisely said:
I never knew why Rome didn’t let the Gallican Church, the Anglosaxon Church, the Spanish Church or other patriarchates exist unlike the other Churches like Antioch or Constantinople which had some daughter churches.
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Umm apparently you have your history wrong here.
 
Wisely said:
THE Mother Church
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Why you have another version of history you would like to share? The only question is to the “degree” the postion of Honor holds authority in Rome. Pretty well gone over in the Ecumenical Councils and early church.

First among equals is immediately acceptable by the EO. 🤷 Need more be said?
 
Bballer32 said:
Hey wisely, do you agree with the teachings of the Church Fathers?

Umm apparently you have your history wrong here.
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  1. I agrre with the Church Fathers, yes.
  2. I may be wrong, but tell me, which autonomous/autocephalous churches are daughters of Rome?
For example:

-Jerusalem > Rome, Antioch, Alexandria

-Antioch > Seleucia-Ctisphon, Cyprus(?)

-Constantinople > Bulgaria, Rusia, Greece

-Non-Chalcedonian Alexandria > Ethiopia
 
GaryTaylor said:
Why you have another version of history you would like to share? The only question is to the “degree” the postion of Honor holds authority in Rome. Pretty well gone over in the Ecumenical Councils and early church.

First among equals is immediately acceptable by the EO. 🤷 Need more be said?
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It seems we have different definitions of “Mother Church”
I apologize for the confusion.
 
Peter_J said:
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Did I embarrass you Peter? 😛

What am I not getting here?

If an Orthodox because an Eastern Catholic, he is becoming a part of the “One, Holy Catholic Church”.

Otherwise he might as well stay in “Holy Orthodoxy”.
 
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