Eating "halal" meat?

[GraceDK]

In fact, Nostra Aetate makes clear that Christians and Muslims worship and adore the same Allah. Second, the rules of halal food is not about making a sacrifice. It is simply the right rules for the preparation for food (and is in fact very comparable to kosher laws…often in fact, in the absence of a halal butcher, Muslims will try to find one that is kosher). My guess is that many of you have eaten halal food without even knowing it, if you have eaten Mediterranean or Middle Eastern food at a local restaurant (at least here where I live there are several restaurants that are halal).

In fact, one should always offer up everything to Allah. This is why a Muslim will say Bismillah before a wide variety of actions, to remind themselves that everything they do is seen by God and is for God.

salaam.

You are right… many of us have eaten hallal unintentionally, but it will not hurt us because the Holy Spirit is greater than the idol in whose name the meat is blessed.
Your knowlege about some church document does not impress me. The spirit that came to muhammed was a foul spirit that taugh things that contradicted the Holy Bible as well as the God of Love.

However often you say a lie, it will never become the truth.

Muhammed was a false prophet and false prophets are not sent from the true God.

We share planet, therefore I say “peace to you”… but we dont share theology at all.

 

[beeliner]

Without mentioning names, I think that certain posters to this thread need to be careful about slandering other religions with false witness. That is a direct violation of a commandment.

Disagree with the teachings of Islam all you want, but know what you’re talking about.

“Halal” means ‘permissable’ and refers to the food product itself. It is true that devout Islamic butchers pray over the meat they prepare, that is merely a custom. They could pray over pork or other forbidden food items all day, that would not make them ‘halal’.

It’s also true that kosher standards are very similar to halal standards, but with some notable differences, the most obvious being that the Jewish religion has no ban on alcohol.

Also bear in mind that both Judaism and Catholicism regard Islam, in spite of its differences in history and doctrine, as worshipping the same God as they.

 

[GraceDK]

beeliner; Without mentioning names, I think that certain posters to this thread need to be careful about slandering other religions with false witness. That is a direct violation of a commandment.

Why not mention names? Lets get the names right out in the open. You can name me any day. I have read a substantial part of both the quran and the hadith as well as studied history and read enough testimonies that I believe I have as much right to state my oppinion as you do.

Disagree with the teachings of Islam all you want, but know what you’re talking about.

And what are you? A former Muslim ? No; The only former Muslim here agrees with me that its not the same God. So maybe you want to enlighten me about your great knowlege.
I for my part have learned about Islam both on high school level and at the university (a one semester course where we read a lot and it was very objective) and I have visited mosques a few times and asked direct questions there to which I was given direct answers that indeed contrast what we know about the Christian God.
I do not deny the sincerity with which our Muslim neighbour seeks truth… but to state he is worshipping the Triune God is really streching facts in order to get off the hook… our duty to evangelise the lost and poor.

"Halal" means ‘permissable’ and refers to the food product itself. It is true that devout Islamic butchers pray over the meat they prepare, that is merely a custom. They could pray over pork or other forbidden food items all day, that would not make them ‘halal’.

Well, in my country we have a lable on the products saying: “hallel butchered”. I am well aware that there are foods and drinks that are not allowed to practicing Muslims…
However. I did move beyond the question and into some more fundamental areas than hallal since I saw statements on the thread doing so, that I had a strong desire to comment on.

It’s also true that kosher standards are very similar to halal standards, but with some notable differences, the most obvious being that the Jewish religion has no ban on alcohol.

There are similarities in the ideas of pure and impure… no doubt about that. What I disagree with is the underlying statement that the source of the revelations that gave grounds to these rules were one and the same.

Also bear in mind that both Judaism and Catholicism regard Islam, in spite of its differences in history and doctrine, as worshipping the same God as they.

Forgive me for saying so but I am pretty sure all the Biblical writers would have strongly disagreed with this modern day statement as have all of Christian history up until now, which has not been afraid to speak openly about the origin of Islam.
The Spirit that says Jesus is not Lord is antichrist, says the word of God.
We must never integrate idols into the true faith. The day where that happens the Church has lost very much credibility.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

I think as Catholics we don’t have any restrictions on what we eat.

I think if someone personally feels odd eating halal meat, fine.

If you don’t , fine.

But I don’t think it goes against our faith to eat these things.

 

[Contarini]

Edwin.
I know that “Allah” is the Arabic word for God. Our Christian brothers use that word to address the Lord, the Triune God of the Bible. Our Muslim neighbours, however, use the word to address the false spirit that revealed himself to Muhammed and said he was god and that the following was his will…
However… the two persons behind the revelations are in total contrast to each other.
I have no problem with the linguistic aspect of this problematic… but I do have a problem when people say we worship the same god… because that is not true and such statements serve only as reletivism and confusion.

Grace,

We can’t separate the linguistic and theological aspects here. Consider this: there are many fellow-Christians who believe things about God that I consider reprehensible. Some of them claim that God tells them things, and some of the things they say God tells them are things I’m convinced God would never say. (My family was torn apart by my grandmother based on what she claimed God was telling her.) When I read the account of the Last Judgment in the *Left Behind *series–and the series generally, of which I’ve read several volumes and bits of others–I come away thinking “if God were like that, the holiest thing we could do would be to defy Him and be damned.”

And yet I do not say that my grandmother worshiped a different God than I do, except in a rhetorical and metaphorical sense. I do not say that LaHaye and Jenkins (authors of left behind) literally worship a different God, although I may rhetorically say this in order to express the fact that if God were the way they think, He wouldn’t be the true God at all. In other words, we have to be careful about saying “so-and-so worships a different God” as a way of saying “so-and-so has ideas about God that are false or even evil.” This can be appropriate rhetorically, but not literally. Literally there is only one God. Period. A person claiming to worship the one God is in some sense worshiping the one God, although they may have all sorts of false ideas about God and thus may ascribe to God ideas that came from quite a different source.

Tim LaHaye has a very different view of God than I do. But his primary definition of God is not (I hope) “the being who put into my head all the theological ideas that I have.” His definition of God is, I suspect, “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit–the being who inspired Scripture and became incarnate as Jesus Christ.” And so we do worship the same God.

Similarly, Muhammad’s starting definition of God was “the being who created the universe, called Abraham and Moses, and inspired the Hebrew prophets.” Muhammad then believed that this being was dictating to him certain messages. We as Christians do not believe that these messages were dictated by God. But that seems an insufficient reason to say “the ‘Allah’ Muhammad worshiped was not our God.” When Muslims make specific claims about God that are false, it is fair to say, “That’s not the true God.” But given that Muslims define God first and foremost as the almighty and merciful Creator, and as the God of Abraham and Moses and the other prophets, it is quite right and reasonable to say that we worship the same God. Indeed, any other approach, while it may be appealing at times, obscures far more than it clarifies.

Edwin

 

[GraceDK]

**Contarini: Grace,
We can’t separate the linguistic and theological aspects here. **

We certainly both can and must. god and God is not the same. You must know the diversity of language and how one concept can be used to define different objects according to what circumstance the word is used. If I say the moon is a yellow cheese then you will refrain your self from saying that fact and my imaginary object is one and the same.

**Consider this: there are many fellow-Christians who believe things about God that I consider reprehensible. Some of them claim that God tells them things, and some of the things they say God tells them are things I’m convinced God would never say. (My family was torn apart by my grandmother based on what she claimed God was telling her.) When I read the account of the Last Judgment in the Left Behind series–and the series generally, of which I’ve read several volumes and bits of others–I come away thinking “if God were like that, the holiest thing we could do would be to defy Him and be damned.”

Pardon me, but if your grandmother should start saying that the Lord she hears from is telling her that Jesus is not Lord and those are cursed who think so, then she would neither be Christian nor worshipping the God of the Christians. You have to grant this… otherwise you are simply confusing your self.
As for the left behind series…and the other theories ( that are secondary to the pure Gospel which saves) within the assemblies of our protestant brothers… do remember that the first creed was simply “Yeshua Ha Messiah” : Jesus is Lord. That was the minimum. Now the truth is in Scripture… Scripture embraced by our Christian brothers but cast aside by the Muslims as a distorted book…

And yet I do not say that my grandmother worshiped a different God than I do, except in a rhetorical and metaphorical sense. I do not say that LaHaye and Jenkins (authors of left behind) literally worship a different God, although I may rhetorically say this in order to express the fact that if God were the way they think, He wouldn’t be the true God at all. In other words, we have to be careful about saying “so-and-so worships a different God” as a way of saying “so-and-so has ideas about God that are false or even evil.” This can be appropriate rhetorically, but not literally. Literally there is only one God. Period. A person claiming to worship the one God is in some sense worshiping the one God, although they may have all sorts of false ideas about God and thus may ascribe to God ideas that came from quite a different source.

You are right that there is only one true God… however, I must remind you of the deity Ba’al and the other gods that Israel fornicated with and worshipped… Will you say that Ba’al and God is the same??? Hopefully not. Baal and others were powerless gods… idols. There is no difference between these idols whose identities are conveyed through false spirits or writings or things of the imagination, and then the god of islam…

Its unfathomable to me how you can not see that failing to distinguish between God and false gods ends up in a complete confusion of concepts and ultimately in relativism of faith in the minds of the poorly educated… the whole line of theories is a leftover from the universalist approah which, taken to this extreme is far from serving the truth.

Tim LaHaye has a very different view of God than I do. But his primary definition of God is not (I hope) “the being who put into my head all the theological ideas that I have.” His definition of God is, I suspect, “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit–the being who inspired Scripture and became incarnate as Jesus Christ.” And so we do worship the same God.

Amen… but ask the Muslim whether he can say the same about God as that Tim Lahaye says. “There is no other name (that Christ’s) under heaven by which we can be saved”… but Muslims deny both the divinity of Christ and that He indeed was crucified and the revelation given by the spirit of islam says that we are cursed if we believe Jesus is Lord…

Similarly, Muhammad’s starting definition of God was “the being who created the universe, called Abraham and Moses, and inspired the Hebrew prophets.” Muhammad then believed that this being was dictating to him certain messages. We as Christians do not believe that these messages were dictated by God. But that seems an insufficient reason to say “the ‘Allah’ Muhammad worshiped was not our God.” When Muslims make specific claims about God that are false, it is fair to say, “That’s not the true God.” But given that Muslims define God first and foremost as the almighty and merciful Creator, and as the God of Abraham and Moses and the other prophets, it is quite right and reasonable to say that we worship the same God. Indeed, any other approach, while it may be appealing at times, obscures far more than it clarifies.

I disagree on that. You find a variety of creator-deities in the pantheon of many religions… both present and extinct. To say that their slight relatedness to another or their trait as being creators means they are true gods is far out. It ends in complete anarchy.
As Christians we must demand a few criteria for truth… I would say those are unaltered Scripture and acceptance of Christ… therefore we have the fullness of truth… our Jewish older brothers have part of the truth… and the Muslims have very little.

A foul spirit would most likely be cunning and use a bit of truth and some real good names and stories and then mix them with a bunch of lies… Thats how he works…

Shalom.
I must go now…

 

[Badaliyyah]

You are right… many of us have eaten hallal unintentionally, but it will not hurt us because the Holy Spirit is greater than the idol in whose name the meat is blessed.
Your knowlege about some church document does not impress me. The spirit that came to muhammed was a foul spirit that taugh things that contradicted the Holy Bible as well as the God of Love.

However often you say a lie, it will never become the truth.

Muhammed was a false prophet and false prophets are not sent from the true God.

We share planet, therefore I say “peace to you”… but we dont share theology at all.

If it is true that we don’t share theology at all that’s a shame, because my theology is Catholic. What’s yours? And the “some document” that I cited was one of the constitutions from Vatican2.

Without at any point saying that Islam is true, the Catholic tradition has rather consistently held that the God of Islam is one and the same God as the God of Christianity. This is not a new and bizarre claim. The odd claim is the people who are trying to make the case that we worship different gods and that Islam has placed an idol in the place of Allah. To restate Nostra Aetate one more time, we worship and adore the same Allah.

salaam.

 

[RachelsAlumni]

Pardon me, but if your grandmother should start saying that the Lord she hears from is telling her that Jesus is not Lord and those are cursed who think so, then she would neither be Christian nor worshipping the God of the Christians. You have to grant this… otherwise you are simply confusing your self.

…ask the Muslim whether he can say the same about God as that Tim Lahaye says. “There is no other name (that Christ’s) under heaven by which we can be saved”… but Muslims deny both the divinity of Christ and that He indeed was crucified and the revelation given by the spirit of islam says that we are cursed if we believe Jesus is Lord.

You might just as well be talking about Jews. So do you also believe the God of the Jews, the God of Abraham and Moses is a false God because they lack belief in the full revelation of God in the person of Jesus Christ?

 

[Dale_M]

Saying hallal and kosher is one and the same thing is such abominable talk. The Jews worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the kosher tradition is an interpretation of the Mosaic law that we share with the Jewish people. Those basis Scripture that have remained unaltered.

Grace, you seem to think you know better than the Church. Are you sure you want to be picking and choosing which parts of the Catechism you accept and which parts you reject?

 

[peary]

Does anybody know, if there is any formal teaching from the Church whether Catholics can eat “halal” meat?

Halal products are derived from animals and/or poultry that have been slaughtered according to Islamic law under the following statement, “In the name of God – God is the Greatest/Bismillahi Allahu Akbar.
isaiowa.org/content.asp?ID=1677

I don’t know whether one can hold this “halal” as a “meat sacrified to idols”. Nevertheless from the NT, I can find the following verses discussing the issue:

*Rev. 2: 14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there some that hold the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols, and to commit fornication.

20 But I have this against thee, that thou sufferest the woman Jezebel, who calleth herself a prophetess; and she teacheth and seduceth my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols.

1. Cor 7:7- Howbeit there is not in all men that knowledge: but some, being used until now to the idol, eat as of a thing sacrificed to an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
   8 But food will not commend us to God: neither, if we eat not, are we the worse; nor, if we eat, are we the better.
   9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to the wea
   10 For if a man see thee who hast knowledge sitting at meat in an idol’s temple, will not his conscience, if he is weak, be emboldened to eat things sacrificed to idols?
   13 Wherefore, if meat causeth my brother to stumble, I will eat no flesh for evermore, that I cause not my brother to stumble.
2. Cor. 10:18 Behold Israel after the flesh: have not they that eat the sacrifices communion with the altar?
   19 What say I then? that a thing sacrificed to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything?
   20 But I say , that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have communion with demons.
   21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons: ye cannot partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons.*

As far as I am concerned, if you have ever eaten kosher products, you can eat halal too. Same thing, different religious traditions.

 

[GraceDK]

You might just as well be talking about Jews. So do you also believe the God of the Jews, the God of Abraham and Moses is a false God because they lack belief in the full revelation of God in the person of Jesus Christ?

The Jews lack full revelation. However, what they have: the torah with the law and prophets is undefiled. So they have sort of the truth in their midst through Scripture that we all share as authority. The Muslims dont have Scripture and the god they worship who revealed himself to muhammed is not the same as the God who revealed himself to the Jews first and then in the fulfilled judaism that Catholicism is.
the one who says he is “Allah” in this instance is not the triune God. We know this because God is truth and if we say its the same god we contradict our Lord.
In the same way I would hold that the hindu-god Vishnu is not the same as our God, neither is Buddha or Krishna or Zeus or Odin.
I will agree that there is ontologically objectively speaking one God and that if we speak from a purely antropological view also the muslims seek the truth.

What do you think when the Old Testament talks so much about “idols” … you think the OT writer were just wrong to assume that idols are false gods. Would you go and tell them that worshippers of Baal in all actuality also worshipped the true God in that same movement???
It would be nonsense.
We know that God hates idolatry.

 

[RachelsAlumni]

The Jews lack full revelation. However, what they have: the torah with the law and prophets is undefiled. So they have sort of the truth in their midst through Scripture that we all share as authority.

Actually there is quite a bit of Jesus & Mary bashing in the Torah. The God in the OT is the God of Abraham and the God of Moses. The same God as spoken of by Muslims in the Koran. Their understanding of God and the divinity of Christ is certainly lacking, but it is the same God as understood by the Jews who also lack understanding the divinity of Christ.

What do you think when the Old Testament talks so much about “idols” … you think the OT writer were just wrong to assume that idols are false gods. Would you go and tell them that worshippers of Baal in all actuality also worshipped the true God in that same movement???
It would be nonsense.
We know that God hates idolatry.

Baal is a false idol. Baal is also not referred to as the God of Abraham and the God of Moses.

I personally think there are many false gods i.e. sports, politics, materialism, celebrities, etc. etc. etc. Some even idolize their husbands, children, careers, and intellect.

 

[beeliner]

1. Our Lord has revealed Him self through the Talmud,
2. the idol of islam is a spirit that comes to a false prophet and speak lying prophesy.
3. The Muslims are in the darkness and your “buddy-talk” wont change that.

1. You are confused. The Talmud is mostly anti-Christian.

2 & 3. That sort of talk is not only boorish, but also counter-productive. If the apostles had used such diatribe to spread the gospel, Christianity would likely not have survived. We are required as followers of Christ to love our neighbors of all religions and regard them with Christian charity.

RachelsAlumni:

Actually there is quite a bit of Jesus & Mary bashing in the Torah.

No, that is in the Talmud.

Dale_M:

Grace, you seem to think you know better than the Church. Are you sure you want to be picking and choosing which parts of the Catechism you accept and which parts you reject?

Here is what the Cathecism says, as Dale posted earlier in the thread:

“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

…and Vatican II:

“The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God.”

I’d say that pretty much settles it for Catholics.

Grace, if you are Catholic and wish to proselytize to Muslims, you should do so within those boundaries. Otherwise you are misrepresenting your Church and its teachings.

 

[RachelsAlumni]

Originally Posted by RachelsAlumni
Actually there is quite a bit of Jesus & Mary bashing in the Torah.

doh!:doh2:

 

[Sam_777]

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Awesome video.

Sorry bro… I never touch beer or other alcholic subtances. But for your sake: cheers mate.

So you are a math student?

:clapping:

:hug1:

 

[Sam_777]

I know that the CCC#841 mentioned that Muslims (who acknowledge the Creator) will be included in he plan of salvation, but according to my knowledge the CCC#841 was approved back in 1965, so what was the Catholic church opinion on Muslims prior to that!, and what it would be in the future?

Looking into the major contradictions between the two religions, someone has really to think how it is possible that both religions are from the same God?, remember what Jesus said in (Matthew 7:21-23):
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”

I think we need to read the history of the Arabs & Islam in more depth, and let us start by Muhammed’s father, the name of Muhammad’s father was “Abd-Allah”, and his grandfather name was “Abd-Almuttalib”, which mean “slave of Allah” & “slave of Almuttalib” respectively, both men were before Muhammed & Islam, and both were living near the 360 idols at Kaaba in Mecca, that means the name “Allah” was there BEFORE Islam, so if Almuttalib was one of the 360 idols, then logically Allah should be also similar, since both men from the same family.

Can we Muslims ask ourselves why we have taken the crescent moon as a symbol in all our Mosques and some of our national flags, even we Muslims are using the lunar calendar in Saudi Arabia as a standard calendar, in addition that all Islamic countries are fasting our holy month (Ramadan) based on it!

Read what is written in (Isaiah 14:12-14):
“How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.”

Will Muslims clerics accept substituting the name “Allah” with “Yahweh” or “God The Most High” in all Quranic translations?, why God in Islam if he really was the God of the Jewish people didn’t keep his original name?

I think some of our fellow Christian Arabs got deceived in the early days of Islam and mistakenly used the word Allah in their Arabic Bible translation, but I have read some Christians people on the Internet who never used that word, they use an alternative word which is “Alrab” “الرب”, I think if someone needs to know more about that subject, he/she only needs to google “moon god”, for me and since my flesh is still Muslim, I personally substituted the name Allah with the name “God The Most High” in all my prayers.

I love to discus that with you further more, but I have to leave for my vacation with Jesus Church tomorrow.

GraceDK and keep up with your jealousy on Christianity .

 

[beeliner]

doh!:doh2:

Actually, I chose my own words poorly by saying:

The Talmud is mostly anti-Christian.

What I should have said is, when the Talmud mentions Christianity and its founder (which is rarely - there are only a few instances), it is in a negative context. These few passages have, of course, been the source of much anti-Semitism, despite the fact that, unlike the Bible, they represent only the opinion of the writer - they are commentary and nothing more.

 

[GraceDK]

RachelsAlumni; Actually there is quite a bit of Jesus & Mary bashing in the Torah.

I am glad you corrected that your self. The author of the talmudim is not the Holy Spirit. There is much wisdom in it but its human interpretation of the Tanakh and as such its not binding for us as Christians. However, the Law/Moses and the prophets and all that is in the Torah is revealed to us and to the Jews and is totally inspired by the Holy Spirit. Its the word of God and part of Sacred Scripture.

The God in the OT is the God of Abraham and the God of Moses. The same God as spoken of by Muslims in the Koran. Their understanding of God and the divinity of Christ is certainly lacking, but it is the same God as understood by the Jews who also lack understanding the divinity of Christ.

NO. The angel Gabriel is said to have brought messages from the true God to Muhammed. However, we know through the lies in the quran that neither the real Gabriel nor the real triune God was behind this revelation. If He was he would be a god of confusion and self-contradiction. Why cant you see that you mock Christian and Jewish Scripture as well as God himself by saying that He inspired the Quran?
Have you even read it?

Baal is a false idol. Baal is also not referred to as the God of Abraham and the God of Moses.

Baal was an idol… but so is Vishnu, Buddha, the elephant god, Krishna, Zeus, Re, the norse gods and the god of islam.
See, if I come and claim to you that I am the Virgin Mary or that I highly esteem her and was sent from her, will you believe in me? I hope not. The Quran gives you a few things you can relate to - concepts like creator and names like Adam and Abraham - and then it claims to be the seal of all revelation and you just buy into that just because of its own claims ?
The source is darkness.
Are you next going to tell me that the Holy Spirit wrote the Bagavadgita too? It seems that everyone around me can understand the logic that the Quran and the Bible so contradict each other that the same author couldnt possible be behind both. I really cant see why you guys on this forum cant see it. Do you deny logic in order to, at any rate, defend a line in the catechism?

I personally think there are many false gods i.e. sports, politics, materialism, celebrities, etc. etc. etc. Some even idolize their husbands, children, careers, and intellect.

Lets stick to the point in question.
I do not worship the god of the quran who came to muhammed through a messenger. If you claim to worship this spirit then there is great need for concern.
I met an old Lutheran pastor who told me: “I agreed with all your Catholic stances, Grace, but I could not become Catholic for this one reason: your Church teaches that you worship the god of Islam”.
I understood him and I wait with anticopation for the day where the Church, as it must, clarifies the matter.

 

[GraceDK]

II love to discus that with you further more, but I have to leave for my vacation with Jesus Church tomorrow.

GraceDK and keep up with your jealousy on Christianity .

Where are you and Jesus Church going… and what is “Jesus Church” actually??
At least our protestant brothers and sisters know that God is not allah. And if you are a serious convert to Christianity you can help bring light to the matter to Catholics.
I stand firm on my case here… and I think your point was good: the rather naive passage from 1965 needs to be evaluated anew.

:clapping:

:hug1:

Dont get too excited. I am not a Muslim. I see nothing sinful in enjoying a glass of wine at dinner. I just dont do it because I dont appreciate the taste very much… and because I have a thing for John the Baptist, who never drank either.
This does not mean I haven’t tasted alcohol ever.
We may well assume that Jesus also had a bit of wine and saw nothing wrong with it… you know he made water into wine at the wedding in Cana. Also, wine is part of the Pesach meal and it has become part of our Eucharist.
Wine is okay… drunkeness is a sin.

Peace.

 

[Pro_Domina]

I cannot imagine what the objection would be. Like many ancient religious laws, those involving food standards are based on the hygienic standards of the time they were initiated.

God is obviously not an idol nor a demon, regardless of the name given Him.

The Lord revealed to Peter that Christians are not required to keep kosher. As far as I know, they certainly may do so if they wish, and I do so - to some extent - out of respect for my Jewish wife, though I occasionally sneak a shrimp platter at Long John’s while she’s elsewhere.

Uh Allah is not God. Muslims are pagans regardless of what opinions, even in Church documents say. Opinions are nice and pretty but where is the proof. Allah is not omnipotent and other things that God is.

But I can honestly careless what meat it is.
I mean I would not buy it, but if they served it, who cares?

I mean for I know McDonalds could be consecrated to the Devil.

I mean I used to not eat Pringles because the owners of Procter and Gamble are satanists. Then I realized that who actually makes it in this world without the help of the devil. Who makes it in politics if not by joining clubs and societies?

If I am going to worry about who is a satanist or a mason or a witchcrafter I would not eat dirt.

So I would never purposely buy muslim ritual meat, but if it tastes good and they served it to me I would.

And ask for seconds.