Ebonics...

[Jersey_Jeepster]

“I haven’t studied this topic; I’m sure there are many other aspects to this, just as there would be for the Scottish dialect of English, or the dialect spoken in Belize, or whatever. Still doesn’t make it a good choice as a high school course.” - Digitonomy (sorry, I don’t know how to quote more than one passage from a single post)

When I think of the way foreigners speak English, I think of the phrase “broken English”. There’s a reason it is described that way. Ebonics is a glaring example of speech and writing that has “broken” the rules of grammar; “broken”, as in incorrect and not working properly.

 

[vern_humphrey]

One reason our public schools do so poorly is their willingness to jump on fads like this.

I predict that Ebonics will do for black kids what the New Math did for everyone else .

 

[Karin]

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When I think of the way foreigners speak English, I think of the phrase “broken English”. There’s a reason it is described that way. Ebonics is a glaring example of speech and writing that has “broken” the rules of grammar; “broken”, as in incorrect and not working properly.

Yes foreigners speak “broken” english but the funny thing…most foreingers try to learn the correct way to speak and write the english language.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Karin:

Yes foreigners speak “broken” english but the funny thing…most foreingers try to learn the correct way to speak and write the english language.

The ability to speak, read and write standard English is the best predictor of success in life. People who speak broken English are doomed to low-paying jobs – and most immigrants realize that.

To have schools “affirming” broken English in students is akin to sentencing those students to be on welfare for life.

 

[Digitonomy]

Jersey Jeepster:

When I think of the way foreigners speak English, I think of the phrase “broken English”… speech and writing that has “broken” the rules of grammar; “broken”, as in incorrect and not working properly.

I’m sure the Scots would be pleased to hear you say so.
Jersey Jeepster:

all you are showing with these examples is the incorrect pronunciation of words, the misspelling of words, and the grammatically incorrect usage of words.

Interesting that you should note these features. The first thing you find in Merriam-Webster under “dialect” is

a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation

 

[Digitonomy]

vern humphrey:

To have schools “affirming” broken English in students is akin to sentencing those students to be on welfare for life.

Agreed.

 

[Karin]

vern humphrey:

To have schools “affirming” broken English in students is akin to sentencing those students to be on welfare for life.

Perhaps that is what they want …to be on welfare for life!!!
I hear that the more kids you have the more money you get…or perhaps that has changed.
But yes, as a whole I agree with the statement you made!!

 

[Wildgraywolf]

Karin:

Ebonics is a real language when the DMV (Dept. of Motor Vehicles) allows you to take the written test in it…Jersey should be there soon

OMG! Tell me you’re joking…

 

[Karin]

Wildgraywolf:

OMG! Tell me you’re joking…

which part???

 

[Jersey_Jeepster]

Digitonomy:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Jeepster
When I think of the way foreigners speak English, I think of the phrase “broken English”… speech and writing that has “broken” the rules of grammar; “broken”, as in incorrect and not working properly.

“I’m sure the Scots would be pleased to hear you say so.”

I don’t understand the reference to the Scots. They live in another country and have some different words in their langauge. What does that have to do with people here in America trying to make the illiteracy of Ebonics valid English dialogue?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jersey Jeepster
all you are showing with these examples is the incorrect pronunciation of words, the misspelling of words, and the grammatically incorrect usage of words.

Interesting that you should note these features. The first thing you find in Merriam-Webster under “dialect” is

Quote:
a regional variety of language distinguished by features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation

I don’t see Ebonics as a dialect. I see it as ignoring and circumventing these “features of vocabulary, grammar, and pronunciation.” I give no credence to Ebonics as being anything but an incorrect way to speak and write, when comparing it to what the English language is and the rules that govern it.
Again, I don’t buy into the fact that Ebonics has any valid rules of grammar, such as true conjugation. It all seems made-up to me. Most of the people who speak that way cannot conjugate correct English. Do you mean to say that they are cognizant of grammar rules with reference to Ebonics? I don’t think they are. They are just speaking “jive”, as it was known in the '70’s, before the looney left began their campaign of political correctness. It’s all just silly to me.

 

[Wildgraywolf]

Karin:

which part???

LOL! The DMV part… Everyone in Pennsylvania knows that New Jersy isn’t part of the United States… There’s a sign as you cross the border into Pennsylvaina from New Jersey… It says: “Welcome to Pennsylvania! America Starts Here!”

 

[Karin]

Wildgraywolf:

LOL! The DMV part… **Of course not silly…but this is Jersey so anything is possible ** Everyone in Pennsylvania knows that New Jersy isn’t part of the United States… There’s a sign as you cross the border into Pennsylvaina from New Jersey… It says: “Welcome to Pennsylvania! America Starts Here!” **LOL!!! I like that one!!!/**QUOTE]

 

[kaymart]

Karin:

Wildgraywolf:

LOL! The DMV part… **Of course not silly…but this is Jersey so anything is possible **

Everyone in Pennsylvania knows that New Jersy isn’t part of the United States… There’s a sign as you cross the border into Pennsylvaina from New Jersey… It says: “Welcome to Pennsylvania! America Starts Here!” **LOL!!! I like that one!!!/**QUOTE] Jersey has a unique language and accent of its own As a born and breed Jersey girl I will never lose this horrible accent. Oh well forgetaboutit:bounce: Maybe they can teach “Jersey” as a second language in the public schools too!

 

[HagiaSophia]

kaymart:

Karin:

Maybe they can teach “Jersey” as a second language in the public schools too!

That would make it "Joisey 101 I guess. And then of course there is the “Brooklynese” and not to forget the Pennsylvania Dutch…

 

[nucatholic]

Why y’all gotta be hatin? lol. RIDICULOUS!!