Ebonics...

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Karin:
And tax paying people are allowing it and better yet the teachers unions are not denouncing it…what does that tell ya???
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Well, the phrase “going to hell in a handbasket” comes screaming into mind… Or maybe creating dumb taxpayers is the goal they’re shooting for.
 
More evidence, IMO the liberal left needs ignorant, uneducated people because they are easier to fool and control. A couple of generations of graduates who can’t read, do basic math or solve simple problems and the leftist-liberal state can swoop in and do the thinking and problem solving for them.
 
I agree that Ebonics is a separate dialect with grammatical rules and all, but dialect doesn’t mean separate language! In England, do Cockney-speaking children only learn Cockney-English at school? No, they’re expected to read and write proper “official” English like the rest of the country. It is one thing to make sure that teachers at a particular school understand a dialect, it’s another thing to teach completely in that dialect or require written and printed materials in that dialect. Pure foolishness. Another example of trying to make people comfortable rather than competent.
 
From the Opinion section of this morning’s San Bernardino Sun:

The San Bernardino school district will institute a new policy this fall to reach out to its lowest-achieving group–black students. The goal of the San Bernardino City Unified School District policy is to improve black students’ academic performance.

And considering that blacks in the district comprise the most dropouts and suspensions, and have the lowest college-going rate, such a game plan is welcome.

It will not, however–repeat, not–include Ebonics.

The article goes on to describe the program. Teachers will receive training on black culture and customs. Curriculum will include historical, cultural, and racial impact of blacks.

Apparently, ebonics "has been met with such round disdain that district officials have been quick to renounce such a development."

There. That should put the ebonics matter to rest, at least for the moment.
 
Next thing you know, people who speak West Texan will be wanting affirmation and recognition of their language.
 
I am just curious, if you complete a curriculum in Ebonics, would you put on your resume that you are bilingual?:hmmm:
 
When I was taking graduate coursed in Education, more than 30 years ago, they called it “Ghettoese.” It didn’t work then, either.
 
I’m a public school teacher and, just so everyone knows, almost all (I’d say 99.99%) of school teachers see this kind of stuff coming up the pike and have to fight the urge to either cry or laugh hysterically. This is not, by and large, our idea. Don’t blame us. Blame some ivory tower pinhead who probably hasn’t been in a classroom of fourth graders in twenty years, if ever, but he or she has precisely the answer for what ails those fourth graders.
 
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JimG:
Next thing you know, people who speak West Texan will be wanting affirmation and recognition of their language.
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Yes, it’ll be called Westexonics.
 
vern humphrey:
When I was taking graduate coursed in Education, more than 30 years ago, they called it “Ghettoese.” It didn’t work then, either.
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In the movie “Airplane” it was called “jive”.😃
 
Digitonomy said:
“Ebonics” is not simply people ignoring standard English rules of speech. It actually has its own set of rules which are adhered to. As such, you can legitimately call it a dialect of English. I would find it interesting to spend a class or two learning more about the proper rules of grammar for this dialect, and how they evolved, if I were an English major taking a specialized class like Jersey Jeepster. However, I’d be hard-pressed to make space for it in a high school curriculum, where the students are less mature, the public scrutiny is likely to politicize it, and few but the most advanced students really understand the parts of speech in standard English. Actually, this would seem to make it a more useful topic of study here, as opposed to the dialects of English spoken in New Zealand or Sri Lanka.
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The difference from what you are saying you would be interested in is that they are trying to make it a legitimate part of the English language. In other words, they are saying that it is grammatically correct, in terms of what we know correct English to be.
I find nothing interesting in studying a pattern of illiterate speech. I really don’t see any consistent rules being followed within Ebonics. It’s more imitation of the street talk that people have grown up hearing, with additions of phrases that are made-up because they sound cool. I doubt there are any true rules of conjugation. I just don’t buy your premise, sorry.
 
next thing you know they will make L337 (leet) a foreign language.

F34r m3 (it’s where you replace most of the letters with numbers, it’s techie/gamer talk)
 
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JKirkLVNV:
I’m a public school teacher and, just so everyone knows, almost all (I’d say 99.99%) of school teachers see this kind of stuff coming up the pike and have to fight the urge to either cry or laugh hysterically. This is not, by and large, our idea. Don’t blame us. Blame some ivory tower pinhead who probably hasn’t been in a classroom of fourth graders in twenty years, if ever, but he or she has precisely the answer for what ails those fourth graders.
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Exactly right. I encountered the same sort of silliness when I taught school. Some administrator would get a “brilliant idea” and want to try it out (experiment) on our kids. It would, of course, fail (which any teacher, or anybody else with an ounce of sense, could predict). Then, a few years later, someone else would get another “brilliant idea” to do the exact opposite as the first guy, with the same results. And so, the pendulum would swing back and forth, back and forth. Meanwhile, you’d get one crop of kids after another who had deficient educations, not to mention a whole lot of money wasted on one theory after another.

Anybody remember New Math? I still remember having to do math in base 8. Boy, did that prepare me for nothing!
 
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Wildgraywolf:
So the San Bernardino Board of Education believes that a group of folks can evolve a new language, but are incapable of learning an existing one? If I gather a community of folks who lisp; will school districts eventually feel obligated to teach Lisponics?

It looks like San Bernardino Board of Education is saying: “We know you’re stupid and because we care so much about you; we will further dumb down your education to accomodate your lack of mental faculties”. Can you feel the love there people?

I have a recomendation for the San Bernardino Board of Education: Hire Bill Cosby.
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Yeah, He’ rip them a new rosy red one. He has already waded into the frey, but he sure doesn’t get much press on it.
 
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Karin:
And tax paying people are allowing it and better yet the teachers unions are not denouncing it…what does that tell ya???
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See the story: “The Emperor’s New Clothes”.
 
Jersey Jeepster:
I really don’t see any consistent rules being followed within Ebonics.
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Well, here’s an example below. It’s easy to alter your speach to sound like" Ebonics," but most of us aren’t able to do so properly, because we don’t grasp the distinctions usually present in the black American dialect.
He runnin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He’s running
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He be running ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He’s usually running
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He be steady running ~~~~~~~~~~~ He is usually running in an intensive, sustained manner
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He bin runnin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He has been running
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He BIN runnin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ He has been running for a long time, still is
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Misunderstanding: She BIN married
23/25 blacks understood (she still is); only 8/25 whites did.
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I haven’t studied this topic; I’m sure there are many other aspects to this, just as there would be for the Scottish dialect of English, or the dialect spoken in Belize, or whatever. Still doesn’t make it a good choice as a high school course.
 
Oh heck…perhaps they should learn Ebonics…it would give them another reason to blame (white) society for their lack of education, job skills, being on welfare etc.
 
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Digitonomy:
Well, here’s an example below. It’s easy to alter your speach to sound like" Ebonics," but most of us aren’t able to do so properly, because we don’t grasp the distinctions usually present in the black American dialect.I haven’t studied this topic; I’m sure there are many other aspects to this, just as there would be for the Scottish dialect of English, or the dialect spoken in Belize, or whatever. Still doesn’t make it a good choice as a high school course.
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Quite frankly, all you are showing with these examples is the incorrect pronunciation of words, the misspelling of words, and the grammatically incorrect usage of words. It is not a legitimate language or conjugation. It’s just an incorrect way of speaking and writing.
 
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