Ecumenism with Lutherans

[NuclearReceptor]

They dislike the radical homosexual lobby that wants to redefine marriage and force everyone to go along with same-sex “marriage” (and now, transgender ideology).

It’s the radical agenda they dislike, not the homosexual person, per se.

(And I’m gay myself. Although some people take offense at the term “gay”.)

 

[josh987654321]

but we can all agree to hate gays!

All the more proof why this revolution on marriage and the family must not succeed, because saying that sodomy is wrong and that marriage is between a man and woman (something which has always been common sense even for atheists given our anatomy and reproductive system) you thought was hate speech, and why would a society tolerate hate speech? hence inevitably leading to our persecution.

God Bless

Thank you for reading

 

[NuclearReceptor]

Gays were perfectly fine before gay “marriage”. Could’ve opted for civil union. But they went for marriage. And the radicals want everyone else to go along with their delusional redefinition of family and gender.

 

[niceatheist]

They dislike the radical homosexual lobby that wants to redefine marriage and force everyone to go along with same-sex “marriage” (and now, transgender ideology).

It’s the radical agenda they dislike, not the homosexual person, per se.

(And I’m gay myself. Although some people take offense at the term “gay”.)

Well, perhaps if fine upstanding Christians hadn’t abused their dominant position, both legally and, how shall we put it, extralegally, there might not have been this “radical” position, but now there is, and it’s not going anywhere. There isn’t going to any reimposition of Ye Olden Standards, and frankly, if you feel there is blame to be laid, lay it at your fellow believers’ feet. There has been precious little charity shown to your average homosexual, though one will note that throughout Christendom for centuries those of wealth, privilege and blood who had SSA were quite free to act upon their sexual orientation with little fear.

 

[niceatheist]

Gays were perfectly fine before gay “marriage”. Could’ve opted for civil union. But they went for marriage. And the radicals want everyone else to go along with their delusional redefinition of family and gender.

In many jurisdictions, even in the US, even “civil union” wasn’t available to gay people. Again, as I said a moment ago, perhaps if society had been more charitable all along, there wouldn’t have been any great desire to label these “civil unions” marriage, but seeing as in many jurisdictions same sex partners didn’t even enjoy that, well, I guess you can see why they decided to go for broke.

And really, at the end of the day, even where “civil unions” were permitted, they were basically a form of common law marriage, so how is it that calling a civil union a “marriage” makes it worse? After all, there are plenty of heterosexual marriages that some churches don’t recognize. Should we ban anything you don’t believe as marriage from being called married? Should non-Catholic divorcees or Catholic divorcees who haven’t received an annulment, should laws be enacted to prevent those unions from being called marriages?

 

[JonNC]

Yes, they would be Protestants. (Somewhere in the above post, it was supposed to be replied/edited as “Every Protestant who rejects veneration of saints”)

Okay.
Are you good with this confession that the priest and assistant make prior to mass?

**I confess to God Almighty, to Blessed Mary Ever-Virgin, to blessed Michael the Archangel, to blessed John the Baptist, to the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, to all the Saints, and to thee, father, that I have sinned exceedingly in thought, word and deed, by my fault, by my own fault, by my own most grievous fault. Wherefore I beg blessed Mary Ever-Virgin, blessed Michael the Archangel, blessed John the Baptist, the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, all the Saints, and thee, father, to pray for me to the Lord our God.
**

 

[niceatheist]

niceatheist:

but we can all agree to hate gays!

All the more proof why this revolution on marriage and the family must not succeed, because saying that sodomy is wrong and that marriage is between a man and woman (something which has always been common sense even for atheists given our anatomy and reproductive system) you thought was hate speech, and why would a society tolerate hate speech? hence inevitably leading to our persecution.

God Bless

Thank you for reading

Here’s a tip. Most people, even most Catholics, use parts of their anatomy in sexual ways that don’t lead to reproduction. And how are you going make it fail? Amend constitutions? Forbid gays from voting? Forbid them from going to court?

You’ve already lost. How about instead of wasting your effort on that which you have no hope of winning, you instead redirect your energies towards your own betterment.

 

[NuclearReceptor]

If a Protestant prays that, then they would not be a “Protestant who rejects veneration of saints” (such as evangelical Christians who do not invoke the intercession of saints).

 

[ChunkMonk]

Should we ban anything you don’t believe as marriage from being called married? Should non-Catholic divorcees or Catholic divorcees who haven’t received an annulment, should laws be enacted to prevent those unions from being called marriages?

Yes to both questions.

 

[NuclearReceptor]

Homosexual “marriage” tries to mimic marriage. But regardless of what national law says, natural law (which the radicals, again, are trying to redefine by saying gender/sex are irrelevant and depends on one’s perception and whim) and the biological fact that only a man and a woman can procreate say otherwise.

The foundation of society is stable family. A family and the next generation can only be formed by reproduction. By a man and a woman.

 

[JonNC]

JonNC:

You know that not all Lutherans and not all Anglicans ordain women. Some maintain orthodoxy in a lot of ways

But don’t you see the massive scandal and heresy this creates? I’ve come across ComplineSanFran before and they are all for same sex marriage, and in their post, they put up a picture of a joint service with those who believe in female ordination at least.

So as we can blatantly see, with such people we are not close at all, with Orthodox like yourself perhaps, but then who knows who is who?

These joint services for Luther’s 500th anniversary are just wrong on so many levels.

God Bless You

Thank you for reading

Not Orthodox. I said maintaining orthodoxy.
How can you say they’re wrong when the Vatican approves them?

 

[JonNC]

Okay. Just making sure

Thanks

 

[NuclearReceptor]

Whatever one does in their own time would not try to impose the impossibility on the rest of the population.

 

[josh987654321]

Here’s a tip. Most people, even most Catholics, use parts of their anatomy in sexual ways that don’t lead to reproduction.

And the Catholic Church will always call ‘sodomy’ whether it’s committed by heterosexuals or homosexuals, as sins, is that hate speech according to you?

And how are you going make it fail?

Voting and trying to help people become aware of the consequences of redefining marriage and family for society.

Forbid gays from voting?

Of course not, the biggest problem is the stupendously deceptive lie that allowing two people of the same sex to marry will not affect us. As we have seen in Australia with the massively deceptive Gender Theory program ‘Safe Schools’ (The very act of opposing it demonizes one because it’s a loaded question) and Archbishop Porteous being dragged before anti discrimination commission’s simply for a pamphlet on the Churches teachings on marriage and the family. Jewish school in the UK not passing accreditation because they refuse to teach sodomy etc etc.

You’ve already lost.

I beg to differ, we have already won in actuality, because reality catches up with people sooner or later, the only question is how long this will last and how much damage will be done in the mean time.

You’ve got people in California putting two men on a child’s birth certificate, that my friend is the height of insanity, did no one think to ask “who gave birth?”, one can’t cover up the truth to be politically correct. And there are countless examples of this kind of insanity going on.


lol, without knowing these so called ‘equality’ advocates perfectly display their own folly. Only one of those seat belts actually work.

God Bless

Thank you for reading.

 

[ComplineSanFran]

And I don’t want those like ComplineSanFran who believes in same sex marriage and I guess female ordination as pictured above, to be piggy backing off of this as they do with this deceptive joint services for the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther. For ComplineSanFran to come home, they need to not only let Luther go, but also the heresies they hold like same sex marriage and female ordination (and I really hope they do) but having not done that and claiming unity, is a total lie.

Perhaps this declaration will help clarify the Vatican’s role in the Reformation Commemoration. I’m not sure how one picture of a Liturgical Event got the ‘hate the gays and women clergy’ discussion going, but oh well.

Here is the partial text of the Vatican document.

http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/en/bollettino/pubblico/2017/10/31/171031a.html

Joint Statement by the Lutheran World Federation and the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity on the conclusion of the year of the common commemoration of the Reformation, 31st October 2017, 31.10.2017

On 31st of October 2017, the final day of the year of the common ecumenical Commemoration of the Reformation, we are very thankful for the spiritual and theological gifts received through the Reformation, a commemoration that we have shared together and with our ecumenical partners globally. Likewise, we begged forgiveness for our failures and for the ways in which Christians have wounded the Body of the Lord and offended each other during the five hundred years since the beginning of the Reformation until today.

We, Lutherans and Catholics, are profoundly grateful for the ecumenical journey that we have travelled together during the last fifty years. This pilgrimage, sustained by our common prayer, worship and ecumenical dialogue, has resulted in the removal of prejudices, the increase of mutual understanding and the identification of decisive theological agreements. In the face of so many blessings along the way, we raise our hearts in praise of the Triune God for the mercy we receive.

On this day we look back on a year of remarkable ecumenical events, beginning on 31st October 2016 with the joint Lutheran-Catholic common prayer in Lund, Sweden, in the presence of our ecumenical partners. While leading that service, Pope Francis and Bishop Munib A. Younan, then President of the Lutheran World Federation, signed a joint statement with the commitment to continue the ecumenical journey together towards the unity that Christ prayed for (cf. Jn 17:21). On the same day, our joint service to those in need of our help and solidarity has also been strengthened by a letter of intent between Caritas Internationalis and the Lutheran World Federation World Service…

We recognize that while the past cannot be changed, its influence upon us today can be transformed to become a stimulus for growing communion, and a sign of hope for the world to overcome division and fragmentation. Again, it has become clear that what we have in common is far more than that which still divides us…

 

[JonNC]

As in, every Lutheran Church that is not ELCA. Unfortunately, they’ve got the numbers, so they get the press. As an LCMS member, the idea of SS Marriage and female ordination is repellent. " Heretical" isn’t the word, but " apostate" probably is.

As you know, I was LCMS until I became continuing Anglican. While I would be reluctant to use the word apostate, I agree with the sentiment. It is what happens when a Lutheran turns their back on scripture and the confessions

 

[LutheranScholar]

I totally agree. Scripture and the Confessions are our anchors to the Faith. Cutting one loose necessarily negates the other.

 

[JamalChristophr]

Does anyone know some good Martin Luther movies to watch?

 

[AlNg]

For those interested in the context of what Luther actually said.

Your link says:
“It means this. Everything, every single little thing you do in this life, is sin.”
I certainly don’t believe that . I think it is totally wrong to say that if I take care of my sick mother, then I commit a sin. I spent a certain amount of time working voluntarily at an orphanage. Now for you to tell me that I have committed a sin by doing this charitable work at my own expense, it is very offensive.

 

[LutheranScholar]

Did you read the whole article? Did you read the part where Luther said that he would sin boldly, but live more boldly, doing as many good works as he could, knowing that it wasn’t him who did it, but Christ Who lived in him? Did you read that, or did you simply read something you could take offense to and maybe score some emotional points?