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De_Maria
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Let’s not lose faith. The Catholic Church is still protected by the Holy Spirit and thus, infallible.
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pnewton
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Consider this quote from Unitatis Redintegratio:At best, Ecumenism can bring understanding and respect, but unity in faith is a real stretch,
All in the Church must preserve unity in essentials. But let all, according to the gifts they have received enjoy a proper freedom, in their various forms of spiritual life and discipline, in their different liturgical rites, and even in their theological elaborations of revealed truth.
We only need unity in essentials, though I agree with your assessment of the difficulty. However, we have the theological virtue of hope, and I for one still believe in the miraculous. Even the degree of respect we have today would have once been considered impossible. Heck, even getting past wanting to kill each other in the name of Jesus and His love was once a lofty goal.
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StarMapp
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1930’s Radio Replies Frs Rumble,Carty, Bsp Fulton Sheen
q. Will the Catholic Church have to part with many of it’s doctrines in deference to modern thought, if it is to last till the end of times?
a. No. The Catholic Church is living today precisely because she has ever refused to part with her doctrines, which are the doctrines of Christ. The heresies of the centuries parted with doctrines of Christian faith in deference to human opinions, and they died in turn through the ages. Protestantism is dying visibly to-day. Any attempt to adjust Christianity to men’s fallible speculations is suicidal. The Catholic Church adjusts men’s ideas to Christian doctrine, and she stands, and will stand. Catholic doctrines are offensive to modern thought only because modern thought has ceased to be Christian, and the Catholic Church refuses to cease to be Christian. If men insist upon walking along the wrong track, the only way the Catholic Church could keep in their company would be to take the wrong track with them. But she prefers the right track. If modern thought does not harmonize with the Catholic Church, so much worse for modern thought. However, modern thought, as you call it, is chiefly the result of not thinking. It’s authors are only too prone to ignore evidence and take that to be true which they would like to be true.
q. Will the Catholic Church have to part with many of it’s doctrines in deference to modern thought, if it is to last till the end of times?
a. No. The Catholic Church is living today precisely because she has ever refused to part with her doctrines, which are the doctrines of Christ. The heresies of the centuries parted with doctrines of Christian faith in deference to human opinions, and they died in turn through the ages. Protestantism is dying visibly to-day. Any attempt to adjust Christianity to men’s fallible speculations is suicidal. The Catholic Church adjusts men’s ideas to Christian doctrine, and she stands, and will stand. Catholic doctrines are offensive to modern thought only because modern thought has ceased to be Christian, and the Catholic Church refuses to cease to be Christian. If men insist upon walking along the wrong track, the only way the Catholic Church could keep in their company would be to take the wrong track with them. But she prefers the right track. If modern thought does not harmonize with the Catholic Church, so much worse for modern thought. However, modern thought, as you call it, is chiefly the result of not thinking. It’s authors are only too prone to ignore evidence and take that to be true which they would like to be true.
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ChunkMonk
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They don’t expect it. Not the intelligent ones. That isn’t the point. The point is to weaken the faith of Catholics and also to encourage the blurred lines of the Masonic principle of “all religions are the same.”
The celebrations are not a waste of time, from a Satanic perspective. From the Satanic perspective, these celebrations give scandal to both sides, potentially destroying millions more souls. A very lucrative business for Hell, this “ecunemenism.”
The celebrations are not a waste of time, from a Satanic perspective. From the Satanic perspective, these celebrations give scandal to both sides, potentially destroying millions more souls. A very lucrative business for Hell, this “ecunemenism.”
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AlNg
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Why do you suppose that some Eastern Orthodox are anti-roman Catholic ?The anti-Catholic EO also are usually fanatically anti-Western, maniacally anti-Ecumenism, and ferociously against any sort of change or reform whatsoever.
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AlNg
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I thought that some bishops now will allow divorced and remarried couples to receive Holy communion under certain conditions. Is this a change from what has been taught in the past?q. Will the Catholic Church have to part with many of it’s doctrines in deference to modern thought, if it is to last till the end of times?
a. No.
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ChunkMonk
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Precisely the opposite, I’m afraid. Now they can say:Consider this, all the overtures made to Protestants by the Catholic Church means they have less excuse for not being Catholic. They aren’t in as much ignorance and they are being warmly welcomed.
“Even the Catholic Church admits we are right.”
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Spyridon
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Because I have personally witnessed EO viciously attack the Catholic Church.
I have seen EO say Catholics are without grace, heretics, and hellbound. I have seen them say the papacy is antichrist and the pope is satanic. I have heard them say the RCC is the whore of Babylon. I have seen EO be every bit as anti-catholic as the KKK or fundamentalist Protestant.
I wasn’t lying when I said I’ve seen vicious, fanatical, rabid anti-Catholicism among some EO.
I have seen EO say Catholics are without grace, heretics, and hellbound. I have seen them say the papacy is antichrist and the pope is satanic. I have heard them say the RCC is the whore of Babylon. I have seen EO be every bit as anti-catholic as the KKK or fundamentalist Protestant.
I wasn’t lying when I said I’ve seen vicious, fanatical, rabid anti-Catholicism among some EO.
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spedteacherita
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I looked up “heresy” on Dictionary.com.
Roman Catholic Church. the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church.
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard this definition before from fellow Catholic members and, the way I understand it, is that unless you were a baptized member of the RCC you are not a heretic because you have not willfully or persistently rejected any article of faith. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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Roman Catholic Church. the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church.
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard this definition before from fellow Catholic members and, the way I understand it, is that unless you were a baptized member of the RCC you are not a heretic because you have not willfully or persistently rejected any article of faith. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Blessings,
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ChunkMonk
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We profess one baptism. The baptism of a Lutheran is the same as a baptism of a Catholic in it’s Sacramental value. Therefore all baptized people, wherever they were baptized, are bound to fidelity with the Catholic Church.
One could ride the lines of ambiguity and say they may not be aware of a Catholic Church to realize they are rejecting it; but then we have to ask if this is due to willful negligence. Certainly a lover of Truth would attempt to seek out the Truth and we would be entering dangerous territory to suggest that an honest quest for Truth would not lead one to said Truth.
If they never even try to search out the Truth then it would be difficult to say they are not wilfully blind.
One could ride the lines of ambiguity and say they may not be aware of a Catholic Church to realize they are rejecting it; but then we have to ask if this is due to willful negligence. Certainly a lover of Truth would attempt to seek out the Truth and we would be entering dangerous territory to suggest that an honest quest for Truth would not lead one to said Truth.
If they never even try to search out the Truth then it would be difficult to say they are not wilfully blind.
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spedteacherita
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I came to seek out Truth and have not been convinced. I don’t consider myself to be a heretic…We profess one baptism. The baptism of a Lutheran is the same as a baptism of a Catholic in it’s Sacramental value. Therefore all baptized people, wherever they were baptized, are bound to fidelity with the Catholic Church.
One could ride the lines of ambiguity and say they may not be aware of a Catholic Church to realize they are rejecting it; but then we have to ask if this is due to willful negligence. Certainly a lover of Truth would attempt to seek out the Truth and we would be entering dangerous territory to suggest that an honest quest for Truth would not lead one to said Truth.
If they never even try to search out the Truth then it would be difficult to say they are not wilfully blind.
Would the Catholic Church have baptized me if I have not agreed with all of the teachings?
God bless!
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pnewton
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Roman Catholic Church. the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church.
Those baptized outside of the Catholic Church are not members of the Catholic Church. That is why they cannot receive communion within the Church, and why they must enter through the RCIA program as candidates, making a profession of faith. Likewise, non-Catholics are not bound by Canon Law, which is why Protestant marriages have a presumed validity, even though they occur outside a Catholic Church.Therefore all baptized people, wherever they were baptized, are bound to fidelity with the Catholic Church.
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Don_Ruggero
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Neither does Rome consider you to be a heretic.
The term is bandied about here absurdly.
I suggest you read “From Conflict to Communion” to understand what is, actually, the mind of the Catholic Church…as opposed to what one reads on this forum.
The document is easily found on the Internet.
The term is bandied about here absurdly.
I suggest you read “From Conflict to Communion” to understand what is, actually, the mind of the Catholic Church…as opposed to what one reads on this forum.
The document is easily found on the Internet.
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De_Maria
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I’ve heard that before. But I don’t believe it. I think some folks are just saying that to be politically correct.Neither does Rome consider you to be a heretic.
It is true that a heretic is a person who is a baptized member of the Catholic Church who then begins to preach error. But, by its own doctrines, Protestants are validly baptized into the Catholic Church. And they continue to preach error.
But, if you can show me my error, I’m open to hearing what you have to say.
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Don_Ruggero
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You are “open” to hearing what I have to say?
You might try reading From Conflict to Communion.
You might try reading From Conflict to Communion.
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ChunkMonk
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I don’t know, maybe they would since we baptize babies. Probably not though. And it’s not our opinion that matter, but God’s. I won’t speak for Him, but it is possible that He agrees with the CCC and considers post-baptismal denial of revealed Truths to be heresy.I came to seek out Truth and have not been convinced. I don’t consider myself to be a heretic…
Would the Catholic Church have baptized me if I have not agreed with all of the teachings?
Is heresy a matter of Canon Law? Honestly asking because I don’t know how that works.Likewise, non-Catholics are not bound by Canon Law
It would seem to me that the makority of protestants and schismatics are also heretics, but I’m not going to claim I know for sure. I just haven’t seen a particularly good argument to the contrary yet.
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De_Maria
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I explained my view. I don’t think that book will address what I said. So, no thanks.You are “open” to hearing what I have to say?
You might try reading From Conflict to Communion.
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spedteacherita
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Thanks! I’ll look for it…
Blessings!
Rita
Blessings!
Rita
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theCardinalbird
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The Lutherans must recant the heresy that contradicts the teachings of the one true Catholic Apostolic Church, and then return to the Church that Martin Luther abandoned all those years ago. The Holy Catholic Apostolic Church must not change its teachings to unify itself with the Lutherans. Rather the Lutherans must change. We all know that there was one Church that Christ created, and that is the Catholic Church. The Lutherans left, and now must return.
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on_the_hill
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There was a time, back when CAF was a nice place, when threads like this one would’ve been shut down. We actually had a sub-forum for non-Catholic religions that had sensible, rational, collaborative discussions.
But then CAF flipped and now it’s just a wild west town. Trolls like kinghenry17 aren’t hiding under rocks anymore. They’re attacking people in broad daylight without any consequence. The whole CAF town is riddled with street violence. It’s like one of those futuristic dystopias where compassion, understanding, and common decency are ridiculed.
On the plus side, if the refs aren’t calling fouls, then the good people ought to take the opportunity to take this town back from the trolls.
But then CAF flipped and now it’s just a wild west town. Trolls like kinghenry17 aren’t hiding under rocks anymore. They’re attacking people in broad daylight without any consequence. The whole CAF town is riddled with street violence. It’s like one of those futuristic dystopias where compassion, understanding, and common decency are ridiculed.
On the plus side, if the refs aren’t calling fouls, then the good people ought to take the opportunity to take this town back from the trolls.
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