"Ecumenism"?

[zaffiroborant]

No leader or person can order anyone (let alone a group) what to believe. That’s kind of my point.

No where is anyone “ordering” a person what to believe.

 

[zaffiroborant]

That’s what I thought, but there was this insistence that a Spanish Mass was segregating people.

The accusation is a bit silly, and can really be seen to apply to the LDS church since LDS members are assigned a branch and HAVE to attend where they are assigned. Well Mr. and Mrs. Whosit from your location you would attend here in either the English or Spanish ward depending on your language/ethnicity.

 

[RebeccaJ]

The accusation is a bit silly, and can really be seen to apply to the LDS church since LDS members are assigned a branch and HAVE to attend where they are assigned. Well Mr. and Mrs. Whosit from your location you would attend here in either the English or Spanish ward depending on your language/ethnicity.

I think, but I’m not sure, it came down to the different cultural practices. A LDS meeting in Spanish or English is exactly the same, just in different languages. Our Spanish Mass is of course exactly the same, in the order of Mass, but there can be major cultural differences in our music, the feast days we view as more prominent than others, devotional practices, etc. I think, again not sure, that this person viewed the cultural differences as being shunned by English speakers. Like we’re saying, hey don’t be putting that in MY Mass, keep it in yours. Gosh, when all it is, is that we don’t force people to culturally homogenize. A view that cultural differences in worship and devotion is a sign of inequality??

Mormons make stuff up, and then proceed to argue how we’re so awful and so blind to our awfulness. Sorry Jane, but that is how I see these types of accusations. Same for the accusations against the Catholic Church in this thread.

 

[zaffiroborant]

I was talking about beliefs. A Baptist like holds different beliefs than a Catholic.

I was reading a thread on the Mormon Dialogue & Discussion board about the couplet and was surprised to see that Mormons have very different beliefs on God’s past personal history.

1. The fact that I am the only person here to use the word “belief”, or care about what an individual believes.
2. The whole methodology behind this mass proselytization, particularly the part where Catholics don’t get out of the pews to talk to Anglicans/Baptists/whatever.

You are not the only person here to use the word belief, I used it (and I bet if I searched the whole thread many people used the word) when discussing the Anglicans who joined with the Catholic church. In the case of the Anglicans who are now part of the Catholic church, it was their choice not a “mass proselytizing” (what exactly is that?)on the part of the Catholic church. They decided that their beliefs were more in line with the Catholic church than the current beliefs of their church. The Catholic church answered their longing and said we have a room for you, it’s always been here.

The LDS church last year had 80,000 young people whose only task 12 hours a day 6 days a week is trying to convert people, to me that looks like “mass proselytizing”

 

[zaffiroborant]

I think, but I’m not sure, it came down to the different cultural practices. A LDS meeting in Spanish or English is exactly the same, just in different languages. Our Spanish Mass is of course exactly the same, in the order of Mass, but there can be major cultural differences in our music, the feast days we view as more prominent than others, devotional practices, etc. I think, again not sure, that this person viewed the cultural differences as being shunned by English speakers. Like we’re saying, hey don’t be putting that in MY Mass, keep it in yours. Gosh, when all it is, is that we don’t force people to culturally homogenize. A view that cultural differences in worship and devotion is a sign of inequality??

Mormons make stuff up, and then proceed to argue how we’re so awful and so blind to our awfulness. Sorry Jane, but that is how I see these types of accusations. Same for the accusations against the Catholic Church in this thread.

I still can’t see how the LDS practice of forced attendance due to location and language can be viewed as “not segregation” while the Catholic practice of making available a choice in language and custom is viewed as segregation.

 

[RebeccaJ]

I still can’t see how the LDS practice of forced attendance due to location and language can be viewed as “not segregation” while the Catholic practice of making available a choice in language and custom is viewed as segregation.

That’s what I said. Got me.

 

[Horton]

Ok guys, I’m very concerned about this. The more this thread goes on, the more this term “ecumenism” and mass conversion (without consulting individuals) seems to be… it reminds me a foreign king showing up in a new land and saying “by the signing of this paper, I am hear-by your new king and you must believe everything I do and say”. (Pardon the poor analogy, I cannot think of better words to express the horror I’m feeling right now).

Somewhat like the horror folks felt when they learned of the LDS baptizing the dead?