EDITED: Father [scolded] us this morning -- and we liked it!

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I have no problem with proper decorum in modesty and dress at Mass.
Your best dress clothing resembles how you would prefer to be seen in heaven before God.
But not just physical dress in clothing but more appropriate spiritual dress or decorum in ones soul.

Superficially; I wear clean jeans to Mass often with no rips or tears.
I don’t have the financial means (being on Welfare) to afford greater luxuries.

Essentially as Catholics We Are What We Eat. This connotation is more profound that outer superficial trappings in clothing. Before God you give and present yourself before Him with the best you have.
 
I will wear jeans to Mass, although I don’t possess any that are ripped. I usually wear decent shoes with them though and a shirt. The weather usually determines what else gets added into that mix, but my default is to wear a smart jacket on top.

These days, I generally only wear a tie when I’m serving (we don’t tend to vest our altar servers in our parish) or if I’m reading at Christmas or Easter. This isn’t down to disrespect or anything for other Sundays: it’s more because I feel strangled when I wear a collar and tie.

Interestingly enough, I’ve had occasion to try on a clerical shirt and collar and found them to be low enough on my neck not to be uncomfortable - probably yet another message there! 😉

What I do take issue with is disrespectful clothing…

… like the occasion where I felt compelled to complain to Father about the young teenage daughter of a parishioner who felt it perfectly acceptable to let her attend Mass wearing a sequinned top… with the Playboy logo clearly and largely depicted on the back of it. :hmmm: Bless him, he hadn’t noticed or realised what the logo meant!
 
Implied sex acts in the thread title = I thought you were trolling.
 
That sounds like a Protestant and not a Catholic. It’s interesting when we getting into the “dress” topic people will say the Protestants dress so nice that they put us to shame…not from the protestants churches I’ve been to. Speaking of denim…my husband wore Sat night dark jeans, dress shoes, a purple shirt, and a sport coat. Was he in the wrong…🍿🍿
I t was St Andrews RC Church in Cape Coral Fla
 
Implied sex acts in the thread title = I thought you were trolling.
Guess I never affiliated the spanking or spanked us with sexual innuendo.
Didn’t let my mind drift that far. Maybe the OP meant chastised.
 
Implied sex acts in the thread title = I thought you were trolling.
I must admit, my eyes widened in shock when I saw it. Not just me, then. I only opened the thread when I saw it had quite a lot of replies, figuring that it would have been quickly complained about and removed if as bad as it sounded.

I also held back from complaining, in case it was an Americanism and not as pervy as it sounded in ‘English’ English.
 
I must admit the title did catch me by surprise too… Maybe that was the intention? I was just too polite to mention it! :o
 
First, an apology. A short version of this response, based on postings through about 0600 CST, was meant to go out this morning, but just before I hit the “send” button, our broadband service dropped out, as sometimes happens when the weather is stormy. So I am posting it at the library, between work and Community Band, and before having read the intervening posts.

Second, Father’s “ripped jeans” comment was a small part of the overall homily, but I did mention it, and it seems to have aroused some people’s ire. DaddyGirl in particular said that denim was only a fabric. In that statement she displayed her ignorance of history in general, and of the role of clothing/fashion in particular.

The idea that people might be wearing ripped jeans to Mass because that’s all they have to wear is not even worthy of consideration. If one takes all the people who wear ripped clothing to Mass on any given American Sunday morning, there might be one tenth of one percent who fall into that category. The overwhelming majority are dressed as they are because they are blind followers of fashion, and in their minds, torn clothing is the hip thing to wear.

While the poor in Jesus’ time may have had only one or two changes of clothing, and while Jesus certainly would not have turned someone away just because of the state of his/her clothing, there were other people for whom clothing was much more than fabric; it was a statement of their religious status. One can read about them in Matt. 23:5, Mark 12:38-40, and Luke 20:45-47. Yes, I know that the people Jesus was describing were the hypocrites, and yes, I know that there are people today who go to church wearing “look-at-me” clothes, but my point is that clothing is not just fabric, in spite of what some may think. What we wear makes a statement about our attitudes toward ourselves, toward others, and most importantly, toward the God Whom we are coming to Mass to worship.

DaddyGirl, are you married? If you are, did you wear ripped jeans to your wedding, or if you are not, do plan on wearing them when you do get married? After all, it’s only fabric, in your view. If you were invited to the White House to meet the President, would you wear ripped jeans to that occasion? Would you wear ripped jeans to a job interview? If meeting the President, getting married, and looking for a job are occasions that would require wearing nice clothing, why not meeting the Lord? I’m not saying that Mass should be a white-tie-and-tails event, but surely it merits something better than raggedy dungarees.

To get back to the main topic (Father Patrick’s homily), he told of how when Reagan was President (1981-89), he made it a rule that any man coming into the Oval Office must wear a coat and tie, and if the man was not sitting down, the coat had to be buttoned. When Clinton came into office (1993), this tradition flew out the window, according to his Communications Director George Stephanopoulos, and guys were wearing whatever they wanted. However, it didn’t take long for the gravitas of the Oval Office to sink in, and for all the men in Clinton’s staff to start wearing coats and ties again.

When I look around on a Sunday morning, I see many who are aware of where they are and what they are about to do. I also see some who might just as well be attending a worm-rassle. Would to God that the fire of His Presence would once again appear on His Altar, to remind us that when we step through those doors, we are in the presence of a holy God.
 
Its less the fabric, than, I think, its common application: its the choice of everyday wear, work wear, casual wear. It is not, in other words, the best available to most people.

And God deserves the best.
I would think God deserves neatness and humility. One should dress modestly and neatly but not necessarily in one’s best. That one should keep for one’s heart (keep one’s heart most pure). Go to Mass with devotion.

I have never heard a priest rip someone over their clothing. Then again I’ve always seen decency in clothes among the people I know. The only thing one priest was always upset about was people coming late, but one of his parishes wrote to the Bishop and he was unfortunately sent away. He was a good man though, a pity.

My favourite priest was an elderly Russian whose parents were massacred by Bolsheviks and who was raised by nuns in Korea. He only had two or 3 changes of clothing. He wore no socks and old shoes. He drove in an old minivan. He gave everything he had to the needy and even met Mother Theresa once (he hid under the table to give her money because he wasn’t important enough to be invited as a guest to her banquet.)
 
Save the liturgy, save the world. :extrahappy:

Although the applause obviously could’ve been dispensed with…but if applause is the price we have to pay for homilies like that, then clap away!
For what it’s worth, Father looked somewhat embarrassed as he was walking across from the ambo to his chair.
 
First, was it really appropriate to name this thread this way?

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If the title was offensive, then thanks to the mod for changing it, but my mind wasn’t in the gutter when I wrote it. The offensive meaning never crossed my mind.
 
Father Patrick is bringing back reverence to our Parish in so many ways!

I am so sorry that I missed this, the kids wanted to go to the Abbey for Mass on Sunday.

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I’m laughing about the ripped jeans argument right now. I wore jeans to mass last night. As I was walking in I realized my thigh felt cold. I had a large, but not very noticeable rip down the side of my jeans. Oops! :o
 
Why are some people very sensitive to the fabric of denim, and if it is ripped?

It is only a durable, washable fabric, and the ripped part is only fashion, like saddle shoes of the Fifties or wide ties in the Seventies.
It is the clothing the generation today is used to wearing.
It is not intended to be offensive to people. It is not rebellious. It’s not Marlon Brando riding up to church in a motorcycle ready to rumble

I’m assuming (to use this over-used argument) that Jesus and his gang didn’t mind if someone came to listen to them in a soiled, ripped dress tunic. I’m assuming he was just happy that they came and wanted to hear what he had to say.

If someone at your church was money-challenged and all they had were ripped jeans to wear, would this priest turn them away from church or scold them?
Why is he erroneously judging the book by it’s cover?
There might be someone in this church exactly in that situation, hearing this sermon, now wondering if they can still come to church.

If seems more welcoming to let the young person wear something they are comfortable in. Just because someone is wearing frayed denim, it doesn’t mean they don’t have respect and are not following their religion.

If I was that priest, I would welcome the ripped-jeans-people with open arms and not make them feel self-conscious about their pants…I would welcome the ragged off the street, if they wanted to come into my church.

It is only fabric.* Fabric.* It doesn’t mean anything more than it is. Frayed denim is not the work of the devil.

There are more important things to be worried about IMO. Anyone else out there thinking as I am?
I don’t know if Jesus would get upset at the clothing we wear to church, but I am aware that Jesus has high regard for the temple, and so I believe we should have high regard for the Church.
 
Jesus held high regard for the temple, and so I believe we should do the same for the Church.
 
Jesus held high regard for the temple, and so I believe we should do the same for the Church.
👍 Amen to that.

Modesty and taste is all it takes… it doesn’ t matter if it is denim as long as it looks nice and shows respect. and NO FOOD. Its the eating of food, as if nothing special is going on, that is what gets to me. :mad:
 
I t was St Andrews RC Church in Cape Coral Fla
Wow…that’s too bad. I’m suprised no one went over to them and told them it was a sacred space…no coffee in front of the tabernacle!

But it did remind me of my protestant days of getting a latte right outside before going in for service…
 
Why are some people very sensitive to the fabric of denim, and if it is ripped?

It is only a durable, washable fabric, and the ripped part is only fashion, like saddle shoes of the Fifties or wide ties in the Seventies.
It is the clothing the generation today is used to wearing.
It is not intended to be offensive to people. It is not rebellious. It’s not Marlon Brando riding up to church in a motorcycle ready to rumble

I’m assuming (to use this over-used argument) that Jesus and his gang didn’t mind if someone came to listen to them in a soiled, ripped dress tunic. I’m assuming he was just happy that they came and wanted to hear what he had to say.

If someone at your church was money-challenged and all they had were ripped jeans to wear, would this priest turn them away from church or scold them?
Why is he erroneously judging the book by it’s cover?
There might be someone in this church exactly in that situation, hearing this sermon, now wondering if they can still come to church.

If seems more welcoming to let the young person wear something they are comfortable in. Just because someone is wearing frayed denim, it doesn’t mean they don’t have respect and are not following their religion.

If I was that priest, I would welcome the ripped-jeans-people with open arms and not make them feel self-conscious about their pants…I would welcome the ragged off the street, if they wanted to come into my church.

It is only fabric.* Fabric.* It doesn’t mean anything more than it is. Frayed denim is not the work of the devil.

There are more important things to be worried about IMO. Anyone else out there thinking as I am?
First I agree with all you say about being charitable and welcoming and non-judgmental. Yet there is a reason for those that can adopt it for themselves. The liturgy is giving glory to God, part of which is that the Priest wears fine vestments and the items used on the altar are made of or coated with gold and silver. We also give glory to God by wearing modest clothing, rather than expressing ourselves by showing our fashion sense and individuality (which draws the focus away from God). So an individuals comfort is secondary.
 
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