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I don’t want to derail the thread, but I have a genuine question I was wondering whether someone could answer for me.

As has been pointed out, what constitutes modesty and appropriate dress is culturally variable. However, I thought that the UK would have a similar view to the US!

Two of the above resources, one from the US and the other from Malaysia (I think) included information on footwear which surprised me. I would ordinarily wear nothing on my feet in church (excepting extreme weather conditions etc.), on the understanding that a) I wouldn’t dream of wearing footwear in someone else’s house and God’s house is much more special and b) I’m on holy ground, it makes sense to go barefoot.

I know not everyone in the UK removes their shoes in church, but many people do and I certainly wouldn’t expect to be told that an otherwise modest outfit was inappropriate because of a lack of footwear.

Can someone please enlighten me? Is this normal in the USA that you’re expected to wear shoes in church?
 
I don’t want to derail the thread, but I have a genuine question I was wondering whether someone could answer for me.

As has been pointed out, what constitutes modesty and appropriate dress is culturally variable. However, I thought that the UK would have a similar view to the US!

Two of the above resources, one from the US and the other from Malaysia (I think) included information on footwear which surprised me. I would ordinarily wear nothing on my feet in church (excepting extreme weather conditions etc.), on the understanding that a) I wouldn’t dream of wearing footwear in someone else’s house and God’s house is much more special and b) I’m on holy ground, it makes sense to go barefoot.

I know not everyone in the UK removes their shoes in church, but many people do and I certainly wouldn’t expect to be told that an otherwise modest outfit was inappropriate because of a lack of footwear.

Can someone please enlighten me? Is this normal in the USA that you’re expected to wear shoes in church?
In our parish, I don’t think someone barefoot would make it past the ushers.
 
I don’t want to derail the thread, but I have a genuine question I was wondering whether someone could answer for me.

As has been pointed out, what constitutes modesty and appropriate dress is culturally variable. However, I thought that the UK would have a similar view to the US!

Two of the above resources, one from the US and the other from Malaysia (I think) included information on footwear which surprised me. I would ordinarily wear nothing on my feet in church (excepting extreme weather conditions etc.), on the understanding that a) I wouldn’t dream of wearing footwear in someone else’s house and God’s house is much more special and b) I’m on holy ground, it makes sense to go barefoot.

I know not everyone in the UK removes their shoes in church, but many people do and I certainly wouldn’t expect to be told that an otherwise modest outfit was inappropriate because of a lack of footwear.

Can someone please enlighten me? Is this normal in the USA that you’re expected to wear shoes in church?
Yes, here in the U.S. it is the norm. I have never seen anyone in church without shoes. Sometimes in adoration, a person might take off their shoes while they’re sitting down (I’ve seen our priest do it. I did it last week because my shoe was rubbing a blister) but I’ve never actually seen someone attend Mass with no shoes. Interesting cultural difference I suppose.
 
Where have you heard that Catholics remove their shoes in UK for this is not true

They may well remove their shoes at the Slipper Chappel at Walsingham as part of penance etc if they go there but I think generally speaking in United Kingdom keep their shoes on. Certainly we Anglicans do and the times I have been in a Catholic Church (which was plenty at one time as was an assistant leader at a Catholic Cub Scout Pack for a while) they have all had their shoes on.

🙂 interesting what people think happens and what does happen.
 
**Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament, Hanceville, Alabama ** some 35 miles North of Birmingham, Ala.

http://www.fssp.org/album/HEWTN2007... most blessed sacrament in hanceville, al.jpg

Folks, if you can, you truly must visit this beautiful Shrine, perhaps together with the EWTN studios, not far away in Birmingham, and you may also want to visit the monastery in Cullman, Ala, some 10 miles from Hanceville.

Regarding the dress code: there is a dress code at the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament in Hanceville, and there is a receptionist at the Shrine who will provide sweaters and other clothing items to visitors who are not dressed appropriately, but who want to enter the church, or the chapel located in the basement of the church.

Quote from huntsville.about.com/cs/daytrips/a/motherangelica_2.htm :

There is a dress code at the monastery–no shorts, tank tops, sleeveless shirts, or mini-skirts. There are to be no pictures taken inside the shrine or any talking in the shrine. I thought I would find this directive hard to follow. However, I was so overwhelmed with the awe and beauty of the shrine and the holiness, that I couldn’t have spoken if I’d wanted to.

Quote from fatimafamily.org/store/index.php?main_page=page&id=62 :

About 50% of the people who come here to the Shrine of the Most Blessed Sacrament are not Catholic. They are asked to be dressed modestly and observe silence in Church. They do and do not resent it. In the hot summer weather the shrine provides coverings for those who arrive in shorts. On occasion I’ve noticed a non-Catholic man may inadvertently forget to remove his hat as he walks about the side aisles of this shrine where the approximately 7 foot monstrance reveals the consecrated Host which is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ and before which adoration takes place day and night. When a Knight of the Eucharist whispers to a man who did not remove his hat there seems no resentment.

The Shrine was built upon Mother Angelica’s request, in 13th century style, using marble (including rare red marble from Turkey), gold, bronze from Spain, stained glass windows from Munich, and cedar wood from Paraguay. Mother Angelica’s idea was that no expenses should be spared to make this shrine exceptional and beautiful. Attached to the Shrine is the convent of Mother Angelica’s nuns, called Poor Clare Nuns of Perpetual Adoration - they adore the Blessed Sacrament day and night. The place is a very holy place, there are also religious brothers coming there all the time from neighboring monasteries. One can visit this Shrine from 6 am to 6 pm every day, participate in the morning Mass with the Poor Clare Nuns at 7 am, attend the 12 noon Mass in the Chapel, recite the Chaplet of Divine Mercy with the Nuns at 3 pm, and spend time in prayer and adoration before the Blessed Sacrament, in the church. I have been there, spent some 3 days there, and it was a blessed time and wonderful spiritual experience for me. The Fatima Family Apostolate is also located there at the Shrine, as well as a rich Catholic bookstore, although the founder of the Apostolate, Fr. Robert J. Fox, passed away in 2009. Also, the area has several guest houses operated by practicing Catholics, stuffed with Catholic books - I stayed at such a guest house, reading books on Fatima and other Marian apparitions written by Fr. Fox, and back then I was lucky enough to attend Masses celebrated by Fr. Fox himself, the Fatima scholar. But I’m sure it will be a special time for anyone visiting also today, although Fr. Fox is no longer with us - I’m sure he prays for us from Heaven, and he has his eyes on Hanceville and the Shrine! 🙂

Quote from huntsville.about.com/cs/daytrips/a/motherangelica_2.htm :

On top of the monastery stands a cross. It was destroyed during a storm a few years ago. At first, the workers thought that it was hit by lightning. After inquiring with the weather people, they discovered that their had been no lightning or wind in that area. The top part of the cross had been cut off with a clean cut, leaving the shape of a “T.” There was talk of replacing the cross. Mother Angelica found out that this “T” was the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet. It also stood for “God Among Us.” In Ezekiel 9, this letter is a sign of favor and protection. This “T” or “tau” cross was a sign of St. Francis in the 13th Century and reflects the period of architecture of the monastery. Mother Angelica chose to leave the cross as it is and looks at it as a sign from God.

The shrine is open from 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. daily for prayer and adoration. The public is invited to attend the Nuns’ Conventual Mass at 7:00 a.m. daily. Following Mass each day, confession are heard. For Mass times on special Feast Days, call 256-352-6267. Pilgrimages are available for groups of 10 or more. Eugenie Breaux is the Director of Pilgrimages and can be contacted at 205-795-5717 or pilgrimages@olamshrine.com.

The gift shop is open from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday through Saturday. For information, call 256-352-0358. I found this to be a very rewarding and awe-inspiring trip. Be sure to allow enough time to tour and then sit in the shrine and just pray and contemplate (all day if you like!), in this splendid temple.

http://www.fssp.org/album/HEWTN2007... most blessed sacrament in hanceville, al.jpg
 
The shrine pictures just posted are gorgeous and awe inspiring. I would have no issues abiding by their dress code. I’ve never seen anyone on the EWTN Masses (or other televised things) that are televised dressed immodestly. Even the few people I’ve seen on the televised Mass wearing jeans and plain shirts, they appear to be neat, modest, & decent. They set the example for others regarding decent & modest dress for Mass even if they do not always dress in the fanciest clothes.
 
Quite what do you guys find beautiful about the ‘picture’ remembering that Jesus isn’t in Gold and barroque but living in You 🙂 May be pleasing to the eye but that is all surely? I wouldn’t/not awestruck by such fancifuls… puts me off worship if anything
 
For those who try to tear down other’s efforts with their snarky remarks…

We have posted in this thread, so far, official teachings and instructions from Catholic clergy located in Vatican, Italy, Mexico, the Philippines, various cities in the USA including in California and New Orleans, with their Hispanic and African-American cultures, as well as Croatia, Egypt, Sri Lanka, and Malaysia (also a comparison to Buddhist Cambodia, for a change).

And you say we are obsessing about White Middle-Class American superiority…

What do YOU have to offer to this thread, in terms of official teachings and instructions by Catholic clergy - that is by Catholic popes, bishops, and priests, located anywhere on the planet?

Do YOU have something useful to add to this thread, other than your snarky remarks and unfair accusations?
Means= If you don’t agree with me don’t say anything.:mad:
 
Quite what do you guys find beautiful about the ‘picture’ remembering that Jesus isn’t in Gold and barroque but living in You 🙂 May be pleasing to the eye but that is all surely? I wouldn’t/not awestruck by such fancifuls… puts me off worship if anything
I have been there. Yes, it is very beautiful. But awestruck? By the gold and opulence? I wasn’t. And it didn’t seem like the hundreds of other people there, were either.

And maybe they have changed the rules in the past couple of years, but we talked to each other in the shrine. And I have pictures. 🤷 Maybe it was so quiet because the only other people walking around were priests???
 
My sister used to live and work in a very poor, non-English speaking country where many of the people often wore clothes donated by Americans. She told me that one Sunday she went to mass and the lector was wearing a t-shirt that announced in large letters “F— You,” seemingly unaware of what the English phrase meant.
 
I would REALLY like to see the church take a stand on modest dressing in our cuture today. I know they have other big issues but the more I think about it the more I realize that both Christians and non-Christians alike don’t see anything wrong with how women dress today. I see women in sheer, tight, midrift-baring, etc clothes on a regular basis and as a woman, it is distracting to me. So I really don’t understand how men deal with it. I think women need to send a message to the fashion industry that while we want to look fashionable, we don’t want to look trampy.

I see Muslim women who are covered with headscarves, clothing with sleeves, legs covered, etc and they are BEAUTIFUL. I’m fascinated that their norms/standards have been preserved over time. To me, that is true beauty. Christian and Catholic women can take a page from our Muslim sisters in that regard.
 
I see Muslim women who are covered with headscarves, clothing with sleeves, legs covered, etc and they are BEAUTIFUL. I’m fascinated that their norms/standards have been preserved over time. To me, that is true beauty. Christian and Catholic women can take a page from our Muslim sisters in that regard.
You might want to do some research. The reasons that Muslim women dress the way they do isn’t always because they feel a great sense of modesty. Sometimes it is because they don’t want to lose their head or be stoned to death.

Somehow I don’t know that I want to take a page from them about dress and modesty. Modesty should come from inside, not because I don’t want my husband to stone me.
 
You might want to do some research. The reasons that Muslim women dress the way they do isn’t always because they feel a great sense of modesty. Sometimes it is because they don’t want to lose their head or be stoned to death.

Somehow I don’t know that I want to take a page from them about dress and modesty. Modesty should come from inside, not because I don’t want my husband to stone me.
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You might want to do some research. The reasons that Muslim women dress the way they do isn’t always because they feel a great sense of modesty. **Sometimes it is because they don’t want to lose their head or be stoned to death.
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Somehow I don’t know that I want to take a page from them about dress and modesty. Modesty should come from inside, not because I don’t want my husband to stone me.
I am aware that this is the case. That doesn’t detract for their beauty in veiling/modest dress.
 
I have two thoughts on this.

First, there is one church near me that is starting to take a stand, here is a link from their web site, you’ll find it interesting and it’s a start.

DECORUM FOR THE WORSHIP OF GOD AND HIS HOUSE

Second, when I returned to the Church a little over 5 years ago I was one of those that wore jeans, shorts and sandals to Mass etc, just like everyone else. As I started to understand my faith better and learn about the Mass I have changed and refuse to wear shorts to Mass or Adoration, but it has taken time. I think the issue may be wrapped up in, yes, Catechesis. Once you understand where you going and what is happening you want to dress appropriately.

Card Burke out a video last week (I posted it another thread) about how some of the prayers at Mass have changed in Paul VI Missal. My impression is that since the focus of Mass has changed the attitude and Catechesis of Mass has changed also and hence the lax attitude.
 
I am aware that this is the case. That doesn’t detract for their beauty in veiling/modest dress.
Ooookey-dokey. I will just have to write this one off as a “to each their own” opinion. I definitely have no thing women in burkas. I think your the first person I have every heard say that this type of dress does not detract from their beauty. That is, after all, the intent of the burka.
 
I see no beauty in being forced to dress in a certain way.
Indeed I agree, it brings a little mistery but other than that…

I would say the definition of "modest"dress is definitely falling. I went to a catholic HS and we had to go to mass before Prom. The principal made it very clear that girls would have to wear sleeves to mass or they would get a talking to. Less than 10 of them did. The definition of apropriate dress has definitely changed.
 
Second, when I returned to the Church a little over 5 years ago I was one of those that wore jeans, shorts and sandals to Mass etc, just like everyone else. As I started to understand my faith better and learn about the Mass I have changed and refuse to wear shorts to Mass or Adoration, but it has taken time. I think the issue may be wrapped up in, yes, Catechesis. Once you understand where you going and what is happening you want to dress appropriately.
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Perhaps that is the whole point of most of us here that would be against a dress code per se. You show more people who to dress appropriately by example then you do by posting dress codes and looking down at people who don’t.

As for those who would like us women in burkas…well they have issues that I can’t speak to:shrug:
 
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