Edited Title: Is this a Marian deception?

[Black_Knight_MI]

You mean that dead people care for Roman Catholics?

You couldn’t have a meaningful conversation or witness to anyone with your lousy sarcastic attitude. Do you really think your remarks show any of us the image of the Christ that you say lives in you? Is this your idea of “witnessing for Christ”? If so, I’d pack it up and rethink it because you turn more people away from a discussion with you than you will ever “win”. Wouldn’t it be a drag to account to the Lord for the souls that might end up in hell not because they intended to reject the Gospel message, but because of your offensive and nasty attitude. I’ve seen the garbage that you say to Catholics on another forum and I have yet to see you respond with anything but sarcasm, judgement, and empty rhetoric while asserting every stupid untruth you can think of. Don’t bring that junk in here.
We love Our Lord Jesus Christ…but we want no part of YOU.
Blackie

 

[LilyM]

Only Jesus can save people. I am just interested as Jesus told his apostles to pray to the Father and I can see no problems with asking the HS for guidance either. Where in the scriptures does it even suggest that prayers to Mary are acceptable?

If I wanted to be a RC than I would want that they stick to the scriptures. It appears that the RCC goes beyond what Jesus taught in regards to praying to Mary.

Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

See why I have problems with this. I would love to hear more about this but my theology is limited to what God has revealed in the scriptures and nothing more.

Christ didn’t teach the Apostles by handing them a book, though. Never did he even suggest that his words or teachings be written down. The Bible is NOT the be-all and end-all.

And as I pointed out - NOWHERE in the Bible does it suggest that prayer to the Holy Spirit, or to Jesus himself, is acceptable - obviously you ignore this little fact.

 

[StHilarious]

You couldn’t have a meaningful conversation or witness to anyone with your lousy sarcastic attitude. Do you really think your remarks show any of us the image of the Christ that you say lives in you? Is this your idea of “witnessing for Christ”? If so, I’d pack it up and rethink it because you turn more people away from a discussion with you than you will ever “win”. Wouldn’t it be a drag to account to the Lord for the souls that might end up in hell not because they intended to reject the Gospel message, but because of your offensive and nasty attitude. I’ve seen the garbage that you say to Catholics on another forum and I have yet to see you respond with anything but sarcasm, judgement, and empty rhetoric while asserting every stupid untruth you can think of. Don’t bring that junk in here.
We love Our Lord Jesus Christ…but we want no part of YOU.
Blackie

Thank you for your kind post. Do you represent Roman Catholicism or do you represent Jesus?

 

[StHilarious]

Christ didn’t teach the Apostles by handing them a book, though. Never did he even suggest that his words or teachings be written down. The Bible is NOT the be-all and end-all.

And as I pointed out - NOWHERE in the Bible does it suggest that prayer to the Holy Spirit, or to Jesus himself, is acceptable - obviously you ignore this little fact.

St Paul claims that he knew the word of God fully.
Col.1:25 I became its servant according to God’s commission that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26 the mystery that has been hidden throughout the ages and generations but has now been revealed to his saints.

Paul does not recommend praying to Mary. Why not?

 

[Black_Knight_MI]

Only Jesus can save people.

No! Really? Well we believe that!

I am just interested as Jesus told his apostles to pray to the Father and I can see no problems with asking the HS for guidance either.

Wow! Something else we believe!

Where in the scriptures does it even suggest that prayers to Mary are acceptable?

What is wrong with the intercession of the saints? (James 5:16b) Are the dead in Christ no longer members of the Body of Christ? (Romans 8:35-39) If they are not aware of us and interceding for us then why is there so great a cloud of witnesses over our heads as we run our race for the Kingdom of God? (That’s in Hebrews 12:1 BTW)

If I wanted to be a RC than I would want that they stick to the scriptures. It appears that the RCC goes beyond what Jesus taught in regards to praying to Mary.

Goes beyond schmond! You have no understanding at all of the communion of saints in the Body of Christ, but it’s available in a clear and simple Bible study, HERE.

Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9

I’d be careful in making such assertions since I think that you’ll find that you are the one in that position.

See why I have problems with this. I would love to hear more about this but my theology is limited to what God has revealed in the scriptures and nothing more.

This is no surprise since you ascribe to the errant doctrine that the Bible is the sole authority for all that Christians believe and yet the Bible itself does not support that teaching either.

Can you help?

Probably not…One has to really want help.
Blackie

 

[Black_Knight_MI]

Thank you for your kind post. Do you represent Roman Catholicism or do you represent Jesus?

Both! What’s your excuse? As usual you won’t respond to FACTS.
Blackie

 

[Trelow]

I never understood christians that spit on the Lord’s mother.

Kinda counter intuitive.

 

[LilyM]

St Paul claims that he knew the word of God fully.
Col.1:25 I became its servant according to God’s commission that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26 the mystery that has been hidden throughout the ages and generations but has now been revealed to his saints.

Paul does not recommend praying to Mary. Why not?

Maybe she wasn’t dead yet? When alive she was certainly praying, as were all the Apostles in the upper room. Paul certainly recommends that all living members of the church pray for each other, so doubtless she did that too.

He also talks about a ‘cloud of witnesses’ surrounding us - doesn’t sound like the dear departed neither know nor passively and emotionlessly observe what goes on among we poor living. If the dead are still conscious and attentive, as Paul seems to believe, then surely they’re still interceding too. And if they’re interceding, then it’s fine to ASK for their intercession.

 

[StHilarious]

Maybe she wasn’t dead yet? When alive she was certainly praying, as were all the Apostles in the upper room. Paul certainly recommends that all living members of the church pray for each other, so doubtless she did that too.

He also talks about a ‘cloud of witnesses’ surrounding us - doesn’t sound like the dear departed neither know nor passively and emotionlessly observe what goes on among we poor living. If the dead are still conscious and attentive, as Paul seems to believe, then surely they’re still interceding too. And if they’re interceding, then it’s fine to ASK for their intercession.

So you believe that Mary is omnipresent? Does that make her a god?

 

[Black_Knight_MI]

**St Paul claims that he knew the word of God fully. **

Col.1:25 I became its servant according to God’s commission that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26 the mystery that has been hidden throughout the ages and generations but has now been revealed to his saints.This is NOT true. Look at what the verse actually says…not what you wish it said.

He nowhere says what you have asserted he says. He says that he was commissioned by God to make the Word of God fully known, but even at that time the New Testament was still oral tradition as Paul tells Timothy in his letters. He does not assert that he “knows the Word of God fully”. How do you justify forcing your interpretations onto the Word of God like that? If I did that you’d be all on my case.

Paul does not recommend praying to Mary. Why not?

Actually he does. “I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men:” Since this includes all members of the Body of Christ it would also include the Mother of God, and I’ve already shown that death is no hindrance to the Body of Christ. Asking those in heaven to intercede for us in no way violates the Word of God.
Blackie

 

[ssejllenrad]

Thank you for your kind post. Do you represent Roman Catholicism or do you represent Jesus?

Do you mean the Roman Catholicism is not from the same side as Jesus? Then who has the right to say that they represent Jesus? You? Definitely not! With that arrogance and self-righteousness, you surely are a departing characteristic from Jesus’ ideals. You don’t even side with His mother!

 

[Zooey]

So you believe that Mary is omnipresent? Does that make her a god?

Oh, for the love of pete!! Where are you getting this carp??? The Jack Chick School of Very Peculiar Notions??
You are*** so*** totally clueless as to what Catholics believe. I have to think that either (A) you know that & don’t care, or (B) you believe everything you read…Which would be pretty pathetic!
Get a grip on your prejudices & start paying attention to some of the people around here, when they try to explain your errors.

 

[vampares]

While bibleapologist is a bit off in his approach I do know where his cynicism originates.

This is a very dangerous claim you are making!

A potentially dangerous claim and we do not know what the pretext of the statement is. With a name like bibleapologist it is interesting that he skips over the whole superfluous “indexical v. demonstrative” Hunan House of Confusion.

I have difficultly seeing how he juxtaposed Mary and the Devil. Perhaps the poster will enlighten us to the path he took to get there.

 

[Black_Knight_MI]

So you believe that Mary is omnipresent? Does that make her a god?

I rest my case…this guy doesn’t want to discuss, he wants to argue and attack.

No one here has ever asserted that Mary is omnipresent, but if the Almighty chose to make her so then that would be no problem. Was St. Stephen omini-present in Acts when the Holy Spirit snatched him away from the Ethiopian eunuch and he found himself in Azotus? Were the dead resurrected when they came out of their graves? “And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,” (Matthew 27:52) because if that was the resurrection of the dead then we have all missed it.

Your religion is so small and limited. How sad…

Oh ye of little faith, who only believe in the miracles of God that suit your pwersonal theology!
Blackie.

 

[StHilarious]

St Paul claims that he knew the word of God fully.
Col.1:25 I became its servant according to God’s commission that was given to me for you, to make the word of God fully known, 26 the mystery that has been hidden throughout the ages and generations but has now been revealed to his saints.

This is NOT true. Look at what the verse actually says…not what you wish it said.

He nowhere says what you have asserted he says. He says that he was commissioned by God to make the Word of God fully known, but even at that time the New Testament was still oral tradition as Paul tells Timothy in his letters. He does not assert that he “knows the Word of God fully”. How do you justify forcing your interpretations onto the Word of God like that? If I did that you’d be all on my case.

If Paul was commisioned to make the word fully known, than he must have known the word fully.

Actually he does. “I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men:” Since this includes all members of the Body of Christ it would also include the Mother of God, and I’ve already shown that death is no hindrance to the Body of Christ. Asking those in heaven to intercede for us in no way violates the Word of God.
Blackie

Supplications are to be made FOR all men. Does the Magisterium tell you that supplications are to be made TO all men?

If you desire to pray to dead people, who are not omnipresent, then I cannot change your mind.

 

[StHilarious]

I rest my case…this guy doesn’t want to discuss, he wants to argue and attack.

No one here has ever asserted that Mary is omnipresent, but if the Almighty chose to make her so then that would be no problem. Was St. Stephen omini-present in Acts when the Holy Spirit snatched him away from the Ethiopian eunuch and he found himself in Azotus? Were the dead resurrected when they came out of their graves? “And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose,” (Matthew 27:52) because if that was the resurrection of the dead then we have all missed it.

Your religion is so small and limited. How sad…

Oh ye of little faith, who only believe in the miracles of God that suit your pwersonal theology!
Blackie.

I do not have a religion. Religions with all their religious requirements are not for me.

I have a relationship with Jesus.

 

[Zooey]

Praying to the Mother Of God–or anyone else in Heaven is NOT praying to “dead people”. It is praying to those who are alive forevermore–more alive than they ever were here on this earth; more alive, for sure, than you & I are.
The saints are **not **dead; indeed, they are, by definition, alive. Eternally.

 

[LilyM]

So you believe that Mary is omnipresent? Does that make her a god?

Yeah of course Mary is omnipresent, just like the Devil is, ever ready to tempt our poor souls to the hideous blasphemy (/end sarcasm) of praying to her. Omnipresence does not equal divinity.

 

[StHilarious]

Do you mean the Roman Catholicism is not from the same side as Jesus? Then who has the right to say that they represent Jesus? You? Definitely not! With that arrogance and self-righteousness, you surely are a departing characteristic from Jesus’ ideals. You don’t even side with His mother!

Do I have to pray to Mary in order to be acceptable by Jesus?

 

[StHilarious]

Yeah of course Mary is omnipresent, just like the Devil is, ever ready to tempt our poor souls to the hideous blasphemy (/end sarcasm) of praying to her. Omnipresence does not equal divinity.

That is amazing. Is the omnipresence of Mary and satan official RC doctrine?