Effective Confirmation lesson plans?

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The misunderstanding of what apologetics is yours. Why should a religious education program in a parish avoid “protestanty God talk”? We have to talk about God, although not the Protestant version of God.
When I read that apologetics shouldn’t be a part of any sacramental preparation, I am flabbergasted - that sounds so out-of-touch as to be dangerous.
What is so dangerous about this? I really believe you fail to understand what sacramental prep is. We need to teach them the basic as well as what it means to have a relationship with Jesus, what it means to live a Christian life, how to live a Christian life. Most of all we need to give them opportunities to encounter Jesus, the love, the mercy, the beauty of living a life for God. We need to touch not only their minds, but their hearts and souls. We have to teach them how to FEEL what it is like to decide on their own to follow Jesus.

Once youth have a solid foundation of the above then go for it with the only intellectual exercise of apologetics.
 
That’s my point, though. My son DID fall under Diocesan guidelines- he was going into 10th grade. The parish decided to start Confirmation catechesis at 11th grade. Diocesan guidelines say “10th or 11th grade”. It’s the parish that’s not budging; not the diocese or the Bishop.
 
Ah, Horton, so we do fundamentally disagree about what’s best. You simply fail to see that, for the vast majority of young people, there are profound barriers to precisely the things you are talking about. They have latent or explicit doubts that prevent them from seeking such things.You say that your experience is different, and that’s fine, but my experience is different, and the statistics that even you acknowledge tell of a dire situation in the aggregate.

Let’s take “having a relationship with” or “encountering” Jesus. This, first of all, is exactly the kind of Protestanty “God-talk” for which young people have acquired a distaste - it does not do justice to Catholic belief and practice (you won’t find this kind of language in the Bible, the Fathers, the Saints, or in Church documents), and it puts off young males, in particular, because of its saccharine and effeminate language. More importantly, it does them no good to insist upon an “encounter” with a person about which they may doubt his identity or even existence. Not confronting these barriers with reason and continuing merrily on is foolish. You ask why I say its dangerous to teach faith without reason? Well, because that leads to a loss of faith and the scorn and scandal of unbelievers.

I want you to run this thought experiment in your head. Suppose you have a group of kids in Confirmation, and 20% are more-or-less believers and the other 80% are nominal. Among the 80%, some buy into a modernist conception of religion - i.e., no sense of objective revelation, reducing religion to just its archetypal and spiritual benefits. They are syncretists of one stripe or another and believe that all religions are a path to “God,” and they view any “exclusionary” doctrines with incredible suspicion and scorn. Another chuck of that 80% are Progressives - they are the children of Progressive parents who see in the Church’s teaching an agreement with their economic and social justice polices, but they disregard everything else. They may like Jesus, but they have extreme reservations about the moral injunctions, especially the ones about sexuality. And then you have another chunk that are in full-blown rebellion, agnosticism or even atheism, and are only there because of their culturally Catholic parents.

Now, how are you supposed to get them to “encounter” Jesus? Read passages from the Bible that they distrust? Say prayers that they untruthfully utter because they do not believe in God or, indeed, the efficacy of prayer? Show them clips of people saying “God died for you!!! He wants you!!! He loves you!”

I tell you, you have it precisely backwards. And the Church backs me up on this. “Man would not believe unless he saw that he must.” It is only first by having rational basis that faith can lead us to the supernatural life of God.
 
If you can’t get to a conference, they have tons of presentations from the conferences on youtube. My teens are watching a couple a week here at home as part of their Lent observance.

 
What would your parish do for older people who wish to undergo confirmation, I wasn’t able to until my mid 20s.
 
They have adult Confirmation. It’s about 6 weekly classes and then you’re done. You must be 18 and out of high school.
 
Which would have been fine for me but not for someone who had been left out like this young man. When it comes to young people you have to make the most of their enthusiasm for faith because if it goes it can be so hard to get back.
 
Precisely. So now, because he’ll be 18 right before his Senior year, he has to wait until 2019…IF he still wants to. That’s why I was so disappointed.
 
It’s a bit of an awkward one. Is it safeguarding? In that they feel obliged to keep adults and minors separate? Could a DBS check (or equivalent) help?
 
Sorry, Lucy; I have no idea what a DBS check is. My suspicions are that the reason they require 18 year olds to be out of high school is so that they can force the older high schoolers to be in Confirmation instead of allowing them to do the ‘easier’ Adult Confirmation. From what I’ve been told by friends who work inside this particular parish, the whole goal for starting Confirmation in 11th grade and not earlier is to keep the kids in CCE for their entire K-12 grade years. They think that if they allow Confirmation earlier so that the kids are confirmed in 11th grade, they’ll drop out their 12th grade year. I understand that, but when a student is so engaged that they ASK to be confirmed, and their family situation is such that the student needs the extra graces the Sacrament provides, why on EARTH would he/she be denied?
 
DBS is just a background police check for things like working with children, it doesn’t sound like that is the issue here.

I’m sorry you are in this situation, I get that parishes feel they need to do something to try and increase catechism for the youth but these rigid, heavy handed approaches don’t seem right.
 
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So. This would involve not only explaining the faith to them but also why we believe it, giving them a rational basis for it. This is what I call apologetics.
That’s called “teaching”. I don’t understand why you’d create an entire thread about something that catechists do in every class.

Teaching them “apologetics” and “using apologetics methods” are not the same thing. I believe most people here were under the impression you were aiming for the former. Explaining is what teachers do. So I guess I’m puzzled at how you think your class is different from say, my class?
If you say to follow diocesan directives and nothing else, how is this NOT the status quo that is abiding this staggering reality in the first place? It does not seem to me like that is a solution.
Following the diocesan curriculum doesn’t mean you don’t teach.
How do YOU propose we stem that? Because clearly, the status quo is not working.
You do your part. That’s all you can do. Teaching confirmation class is great. I find you can work with most of the kids.

You have them a couple of hours a week. The world has them the rest of their time. Their parents are the primary educators in the faith.
 
doesn’t it make sense to disarm their apprehensions toward faith, give them a rational basis, and then teach them the faith?
You are assuming there is an “apprehension” towards the faith. You are assuming these kids are atheists or opposed to the faith.

I don’t think that’s a fair assumption. You need to take everyone where they are, certainly, but don’t assume anything. You will likely be very wrong. We had one kid who I know lives in a very secular household and you would sort of “assume” he was being forced into confirmation and didn’t really care about religion. He was kind of a joker among his friends, but he was one of the most insightful kids in the class. there was a lot going on upstairs regarding religion, even though he wasn’t outwardly displaying anything and wasn’t living in a household that even goes to church every week.

You can’t control everything, least of all the Holy Spirit. He goes where He wills.

Yes, teach. But don’t assume you have to argue religions at every turn, I’ve not encountered many skeptics at all among teens. Certainly not the majority.
 
But the ones I have seen, including Ascension Press’ “Chosen,” are what young people like call “cringe.” By far, the best resources I have seen are those produced by Word on Fire and Bishop Barron. They avoid Protestanty “God-talk,” the kind of speech that sounds platitudinous and empty.
There are a few moments in the Chosen videos that can make you cringe. But on the whole, they are very good.

The Catholicism videos from Bishop Barron are awesome. But they really aren’t geared to teens. I used a few of them with some of my teens when they first released. The teens didn’t have the vocabulary or comprehension. The teens got about half or maybe a quarter or third of what he was talking about. That’s OK, but it’s not something to base a class on. I had to spend a LOT of time stopping the video and explaining, because they teens were totally lost.

I used the Catholicism videos to supplement class, not AS class.
 
Tagging on here, when we are young it is easy to think that every teen, young adult thinks the way we did when we were that age.

Maybe step back, understand that there are some great, solid Catholic organizations who have put together programs like “Decision Point” or “Chosen” or “Y Disciple” that are recent, fresh and well tested. Give them a look. You are not the only person who is concerned about young Catholics 🙂
 
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This is the first time I have heard a Catholic say it is not necessary to have a relationship with Christ.
It is a tragedy that we consider relationship to be too “Protestanty” 😦
 
This is it in a nutshell.

We made Mass attendance mandatory, and part of our class sessions.
Parents were livid!! 😖
The could not understand why attending Mass was important every week and thought we were expecting too much. :roll_eyes::roll_eyes::roll_eyes:
Are you sure that is the reason? Perhaps it had to do with the family schedule or preference for another Mass. I once knew a parish that required the confirmation class to attend the Sunday evening Life Teen Mass. For years, the family had attended the 9:30 Sunday morning Mass. They were faithful Catholics, active in the parish. For the two years of the Confirmation program, they were not able to attend Mass as a family because of this rule.
 
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