Tell that to those whose life is full of misery, illness and untimely death.
So you are saying that ultimately life is **only **about being happy, healthy, and long-lived. That anything which is objectively seen as ‘misery, illness, and untimely death’ is obviously no gift at all. That anything less that ‘what I want, when I want’ is 'nothing. That life is only as ‘good’ as some quantitative and objectifiable and ephemeral HUMAN measurements, and not intrinsically good in and of itself. This from a creature who cannot even live on his own without God, in any way, shape or form. . .and we are expected to believe that your subjective opinion on what is ‘good’ trumps that of the being who MADE you? I don’t think so.
Except that it is a gross oversimplification and incorrect. Just to lead a good decent, loving and caring life does not get you anywhere, if you do not actively worship God. "
So what exactly do you mean by ‘not’ actively worshipping, eh? You think that God made you, ok, whoopie, but you don’t want any part of Him. You don’t want a relationship with Him unless it is on YOUR terms and yours alone, you want only what YOU want, you don’t want any part of living in this world with all its ‘failings’, you want a perfect world where you can do whatever you want and never have to even think of, let alone try to know and love the Being who made you. How can you think that there is somebody so infinitely great, who MADE YOU, and NOT want to worship HIm, that’s what I’d like to know. It’s such a no-brainer. Gee, somebody loved me enough to make me. Even if my life were nothing but pain (to me), isn’t there some meaning I can take from it if I stop focusing on ME-ME-ME and start focusing on God? Sure there is but it is a lot easier to kvetch and complain that God isn’t perfect enough even to be as good as YOU.
That is true. Nothing hurts those who do exist.
And you know all about nonexistence because? You can create beings yourself, right? You know, for a fact, that nonexistence is ‘better’ because it doesn’t ‘hurt’. You’re absolutely sure that there is NO OTHER CRITERIA for judging whether it is better to exist or not. It’s all about ‘quality of life’. And of course, being human you have omniscience, you planned the whole universe and designed it. . .no wait, that would be God.
Which we did not ask for. We are given no option whether we want this existence or not. We have no option to select our abilities, our surroundings.
Oh, so the created beings want to have the power of life and death because “we didn’t ask to be created”. Yes, that’s right. Part of being ‘created’ means, guess what, you do NOT have the power to ‘ask for’ existence. You do NOT have the option to select things. Created beings are the product of their Creator. HE knows what it is all about. You don’t. . . and you want to moan that it isn’t FAIR? God is infinitely above you and you claim that it isn’t fair that you don’t get to have what you want without any real idea of what that entails?
The creator also puts us out “into the streets” - so to speak, and does not support us, or cares for us. Right now, you could not BREATHE unless God permits it. He is standing right there, all around you. There is no place where God is not. There is nothing that He is not aware of. If you think He just ‘dumps’ us and runs off, you have even less knowledge of Christianity than I thought. If He had done nothing other than redeem us on the Cross that would have tbeen more than we could ever have asked for. . .yet He is with us always, at all times.
Right on the money.
Except there are no clues. The religious messages are just made-up human inventions.
And again, of course, you yourself are perfectly, totally, and infallibly correct. You know EVERYTHING is ‘made up human inventions’. You are so blessed with infinite wisdom that you can speak authoritatively, have read every Scripture, every theological work, spoken with God Himself to be sure you ‘read’ Him correctly. I think not.
To demand full responsibility without full information is manifestly unjust.
Because God, who created us, is naturally “UNJUST”. Naturally our limited human standards of justice and our shallow minds are perfectly capable of understanding absolute justice. Anything which doesn’t meet OUR standards just isn’t perfect. The idea that anything could be judged ‘differently’ from what we ASSUME (because we don’t know the WHOLE PICTURE, do we?) automatically means that it would be UNJUST, because it isn’t OUR judgment.
And even then a loving God would allow repentence. IF the person were capable of repentence they would not be in hell. Thing is, while the person might subjectly be ‘sorry’, he wouldn’t be sorry ENOUGH. KWIM? It’s all very well to say, "I’d rather have heaven because it looks nicer’. . .but if one goes on to say, "But I’m still not going to obey. I want to do MY will no matter what. I still hate God. I don’t want to be near him. I want everything I want, and that doesn’t include him’-that person has not repented at all.
As Rhett Butler told Scarlet O’Hara, “You aren’t sorry. You’re like the thief who isn’t sorry he stole, but is TERRIBLY, TERRIBLY sorry he’s going to jail.”
(Yes, the pun is intended.)
He’s the boss, He’s in control, He makes the “rules”, and he wants us to be on the side where we benefit the most.
