Election 2012 - Who to vote for?

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scipio337 said:
That’s a popular sentiment, but I’m not sure that’s entirely true. Who are the sponsors of every pro life legislation currently in debate?

priestsforlife.org/LEGISLATION/

Which party passed the PBA Ban Act? Do you think President Obama would have signed it?

While no one has been sucessful in overturning Roe, it isn’t due to insincerety, or lack of effort, and to claim so ignores history.
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Exactly right, and few ever look at all the work Bush did as well.
 
catholictiger said:
I see what your getting at but what about the smaller scale stuff. Would a pro choice clinton do more to REDUCE abortion than a pro life Santorum?
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Yes, and we cannot forget that we need to keep convincing people that abortion is wrong. When the numbers supporting legal abortion drop to 40% or less, watch the Democrats start trying to take the life issue back. Every GOP politician that fights for life is getting us closer to our goal. One day there will be enough people on both sides who agree…that time of critical mass is not far off, we have to keep trying or else the issue will end and the babies will continue to be killed.

One day, this nation will look back with incredible shame to our lack of corporate love for innocent life.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Yes, I would have voted for the pro-choice Sen. Clinton, but at least in my own mind, her positive qualifications outweighed her negatives.
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Positive qualifications!?! She supports the murder of the child in the womb!!!
Rich_Olszewski said:
BTW, I doubt that even Rick Santorum’s election would have guaranteed the end to abortion, so I have a clear conscience about the effect a Catholic in the office would or would not have had on the issue.
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Ah yes…the clearing of the conscience. I hear this justification all the time. We vote in the hope that the pro-life candidate can and will make a difference…whether it be through the appointment of pro-life supreme court justices or otherwise. I for one…do not want to stand before the fearsome judgement seat of Christ and try to justify why I voted for candidates who supported the murder of the child in the womb. 😦
 
Does it ever strike anyone as completely immoral and unjust that the fate of millions of innocent lives rested in the hands of nine appointed judges, seven of whom chose to allow the killing to go legally unabated?

To date, seven people allowed the killing of more than 50,000,000!
 
irishpatrick said:
Seeing how Roberts voted, we might need that to be two judges.
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Knowing that the mandate requiring Catholic institutions to pay for contraceptives and abortifacients is wending its way to the Court, one has to wonder just a bit whether there was a trade-off going on in the last decision. I believe it would be a mistake to assume such things don’t go on in the Supreme Court.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Knowing that the mandate requiring Catholic institutions to pay for contraceptives and abortifacients is wending its way to the Court, one has to wonder just a bit whether there was a trade-off going on in the last decision. I believe it would be a mistake to assume such things don’t go on in the Supreme Court.
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I agree, yet that is not at all comforting.
 
A vote for Obama is a vote for America’s interminable decline, a vote to punish the next generation, and several generations to come. An Obama win will set in concrete socialist policies which bring nothing but misery and poverty, and eviscerate the private sector.
But the POINT of statist policies is the impoverishment of people, with the exception of the government ruling class. They WANT good, patriotic Americans to BEG for scraps necessary to survive. On Nov. 7th, it will be too late for Americans to grow up. Their lives, and the lives of their posterity will be in ruins in the decades ahead.
Haven’t 3 1/2 YEARS of utter FAILURE been enough? This Obama is one bad dude; his election in '08 was the greatest tragedy of my life, as well as the lives of hundreds of millions of other Americans. I simply realized it earlier than most. By 2016, virtually everyone will know it, but it will be too late. 😊 Rob
 
RACJ said:
A vote for Obama is a vote for America’s interminable decline, a vote to punish the next generation, and several generations to come.
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I agree.
RACJ said:
An Obama win will set in concrete socialist policies which bring nothing but misery and poverty, and eviscerate the private sector.
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I am not sure this country would recover from another Obama term.
 
I live in Illinois so my vote doesn’t matter. Chicago will vote for me and they’ll vote for Obama. I don’t know if I’ll even vote at all, if I do I may write in Ron Paul.

This post was not based in apathy, rather reality. I am Kenny Kamel and I approve this message.
 
Kenny_Kamel said:
I live in Illinois so my vote doesn’t matter. Chicago will vote for me and they’ll vote for Obama. I don’t know if I’ll even vote at all, if I do I may write in Ron Paul.

This post was not based in apathy, rather reality. I am Kenny Kamel and I approve this message.
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I used to have that problem, then I moved to Missouri. 😉
 
Kenny_Kamel said:
I live in Illinois so my vote doesn’t matter. Chicago will vote for me and they’ll vote for Obama. I don’t know if I’ll even vote at all, if I do I may write in Ron Paul.

This post was not based in apathy, rather reality. I am Kenny Kamel and I approve this message.
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Dude then get out of Illinois, it’s going the way of Cauliforniya. Come to Ohio and help swing the Swing-state to the Right. ;)🙂
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Where have I ever celebrated abortion or posted opinions that are “blatantly against Church teaching?” That’s an awful accusation to make.

My support of Clinton? Whom would you have had me support before '08 except the one I thought most competent for the office? I assure you that even the declared pro-life candidates had flaws, and not by my lights, but by those of a number of other conservatives.
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Rich, We as Catholics are to align our consciences to Church teachings.

Here are the five non negotiables from the Catholic voters guide.
  1. Abortion
The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is “never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it” (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide.

The child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child’s, who should not suffer death for others’ sins.
  1. Euthanasia
Often disguised by the name “mercy killing,” euthanasia also is a form of homicide. No one has a right to take his own life (suicide), and no one has the right to take the life of any innocent person.

In euthanasia, the ill or elderly are killed out of a misplaced sense of compassion, but true compassion cannot include doing something intrinsically evil to another person (cf. EV 73).
  1. Fetal Stem Cell Research
Human embryos are human beings. “Respect for the dignity of the human being excludes all experimental manipulation or exploitation of the human embryo” (CRF 4b).

Recent scientific advances show that any medical cure that might arise from experimentation on fetal stem cells can be developed by using adult stem cells instead. Adult stem cells can be obtained without doing harm to the adults from whom they come. Thus there no longer is a medical argument in favor of using fetal stem cells.
  1. Human Cloning
“Attempts . . . for obtaining a human being without any connection with sexuality through ‘twin fission,’ cloning, or parthenogenesis are to be considered contrary to the moral law, since they are in opposition to the dignity both of human procreation and of the conjugal union” (RHL I:6).

Human cloning also ends up being a form of homicide because the “rejected” or “unsuccessful” clones are destroyed, yet each clone is a human being.
  1. Homosexual “Marriage”
True marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Legal recognition of any other form of “marriage” undermines true marriage, and legal recognition of homosexual unions actually does homosexual persons a disfavor by encouraging them to persist in what is an objectively immoral arrangement.

“When legislation in favor of the recognition of homosexual unions is proposed for the first time in a legislative assembly, the Catholic lawmaker has a moral duty to express his opposition clearly and publicly and to vote against it. To vote in favor of a law so harmful to the common good is gravely immoral” (UHP 10).

People keep saying that it does not matter if we vote prolife because abortion will not ever be overturned.
Where is our faith? Where is our perseverance? We as Catholics believe in the power of prayer don’t we? Now pro abortion stats are going down! Improved technology is also helping us because women are seeing there baby more clearly in the womb and choosing not to abort. We must keep on fighting the good fight and we will one day win the battle of abortion. Hopefully we will choose God’s will over our own so we can be with Christ Jesus in his heavenly kingdom. Isn’t this what our whole life is about?
 
Kenny_Kamel said:
I live in Illinois so my vote doesn’t matter. Chicago will vote for me and they’ll vote for Obama. I don’t know if I’ll even vote at all, if I do I may write in Ron Paul.

This post was not based in apathy, rather reality. I am Kenny Kamel and I approve this message.
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If you vote for a third party it will just take away from Romney.😦
 
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