Election 2012 - Who to vote for?

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bellasbane said:
Who to vote for?

There is only one man running for President of the United States in 2012 who is any kind of a leader and that is Barack Hussein Obama.

Right-wing extremists paint his as some sort of liberal, but he is really a moderate who is willing to take a conservative idea from the Heritage Foundation in order to reform an inherently unjust health care system that left millions of Americans uninsured and without access to decent health care.

Right-wing extremists want to claim he kills babies, but he has never forced a woman to have an abortion - instead he would extend “government handouts” like milk and eggs to poor women so they will have something healthy to feed their children. He doesn’t see them as lazy freeloaders and does not believe the government has any right to strip a woman of her rights and dignity by dictating what happens in her uterus.

Right-wing extremists say he apologizes for the United States to the world, but he ended the Iraq war, killed Bin-Laden, helped free Libya, decimated Al-Qaeda through drone attacks, and imposed crippling sanctions on Iran and Syria that are working.

Now lets look at the alternative:

Mitt Romney is no leader. He is Grover Norquist’s ideal executive - a man with a hand and five figures who can hold a pen and who will sign any piece of legislation the right-wing puts in front of him.

He claims to be a “job creator”, but his only experience in the private sector is as a “wealth creator” who would fire people and outsource jobs in order to make a profit. He would have let Detroit go bankrupt and believes the foreclosure crisis should be allowed to hit bottom so that the vulture capitalists can sweep in and make a profit - he doesn’t care if the common people get hurt - that’s good business (i.e., Jacob Marley style).

He claims to be “Pro Life”, but he was pro-choice when it suited him while running for governor in Massachusetts (not that long ago), and he had no problem profiting from a company that disposed of babies as if they were medical waste. Mitt Romney doesn’t care about social issues - he will nod an say “yes” to anyone to get a vote.

He claims he will reform the tax code - but he won’t release his own tax returns. Why not? Where is his money? How much wealth is he hiding in Swiss bank accounts or in the Camen Islands? You can’t trust someone to reform a tax system that works so well to help him and his wealthy buddies avoid paying taxes.

He claims he will be “tough” on Iran and use military force against them - no surprise there, all his foreign policy advisers come from the Bush administration. The last thing we need is the Bush Doctrine getting us into another foreign war over oil. Factor that cost into the price per gallon you pay at the pump (which by the way has gone down significantly despite the fact that NO Keystone has been built)

I think Chris Christie said it best the other day:

“You can’t lead by being a mystery. You can’t lead by being an enigma. You can’t lead by being aloof. You can’t lead by being programmed. I think you have to lead by being yourself and who you are and then people will trust you. And when they trust you they’ll follow you,”

firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/09/12643989-christie-talks-good-governance-in-dc-speech?lite

I may not like everything about Barack Hussein Obama, but I trust him and know where he stands. (Some people like to use his full name as a racial slur - we see you.) I don’t trust Mitt Romney - he is an empty suit, a lapdog of the far-right.

I hope by 2016, the GOP will have returned to sanity and Jeb Bush or Chris Christie will run for president. That would be a good day for the nation.
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My goodness! Every contentless Democrat talking point in one place at the same time! We’ve heard them all before, though. Even the despicable and bigoted “race card” part.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
 
Ridgerunner said:
My goodness! Every contentless Democrat talking point in one place at the same time! We’ve heard them all before, though. Even the despicable and bigoted “race card” part.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
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True. It looks almost like it was copied and pasted from the DNC website.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Ironically, I feel the exact opposite. Romney is a devout mormon and while I don’t agree with their religious theology, devout mormons are very moral people.

The only thing that I see Obama devoted to is his leftist ideology. He lacks all of the key indicators of leadership…all of them.
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The one thing I’m sure of is that almost everyone has already decided how they’re going to vote and have no mind to change. If one is already pro-Obama, one will stick with him, and the same for the pro-Romney voters.

Jawing about how bad (or how good) either man is means nothing IMO. Minds are already made up.
 
bellasbane said:
Who to vote for?

There is only one man running for President of the United States in 2012 who is any kind of a leader and that is Barack Hussein Obama.

Right-wing extremists paint his as some sort of liberal, but he is really a moderate who is willing to take a conservative idea from the Heritage Foundation in order to reform an inherently unjust health care system that left millions of Americans uninsured and without access to decent health care.

Right-wing extremists want to claim he kills babies, but he has never forced a woman to have an abortion - instead he would extend “government handouts” like milk and eggs to poor women so they will have something healthy to feed their children. He doesn’t see them as lazy freeloaders and does not believe the government has any right to strip a woman of her rights and dignity by dictating what happens in her uterus.
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Right-wing extremists** say he apologizes for the United States to the world, but he ended the Iraq war, killed Bin-Laden, helped free Libya, decimated Al-Qaeda through drone attacks, and imposed crippling sanctions on Iran and Syria that are working.
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I’ve been hearing this phrase quite a bit lately. :rolleyes:
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
The one thing I’m sure of is that almost everyone has already decided how they’re going to vote and have no mind to change. If one is already pro-Obama, one will stick with him, and the same for the pro-Romney voters.

Jawing about how bad (or how good) either man is means nothing IMO. Minds are already made up.
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Typical liberal wanting to shut down debate??
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
The “history-event” of the 2008 election drew a lot of people to the polls who normally don’t vote. This year, there is a record that cannot be hidden behind high-priced lawyers. There are many people who look at this administration and just see Bush Term 3.
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Ironically, there’s a lot of truth to this. When it comes to overspending, Obama is like Bush’s big brother. When it comes to foreign adventuring, Obama topped Bush, not even consulting with Congress before starting a war with Libya. When it comes to “rendition”, Obama beats him. When it comes to “kill lists” (assassinations) Obama beats Bush. When it comes to favoring the wealthy, Obama beats Bush hands down. When it comes to middle class welfare, there’s a continuity, but Obama still gets the gold.

What Bush did not do, however, is force people to pay for abortions. Nor did he push homosexual marriage on the country. Nor did he force Catholic institutions to promote contraceptives and abortifacients against conscience. Nor did he fund embryonic vivisection (stem cell research). In those areas, Obama has pioneered new territory.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Ironically, there’s a lot of truth to this. When it comes to overspending, Obama is like Bush’s big brother. When it comes to foreign adventuring, Obama topped Bush, not even consulting with Congress before starting a war with Libya. When it comes to “rendition”, Obama beats him. When it comes to “kill lists” (assassinations) Obama beats Bush. When it comes to favoring the wealthy, Obama beats Bush hands down. When it comes to middle class welfare, there’s a continuity, but Obama still gets the gold.

What Bush did not do, however, is force people to pay for abortions. Nor did he push homosexual marriage on the country. Nor did he force Catholic institutions to promote contraceptives and abortifacients against conscience. Nor did he fund embryonic vivisection (stem cell research). In those areas, Obama has pioneered new territory.
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Though I wasn’t a fan of Bush in many regards, he loved the Pope and had a very good relationship with him, even if he wasn’t Catholic.

Bush’s policies were much more in line with Catholic moral doctrine than Obama’s ever will be.
 
Ridgerunner said:
My goodness! Every contentless Democrat talking point in one place at the same time! We’ve heard them all before, though. Even the despicable and bigoted “race card” part.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
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If you are opposed to President Obama’s abortion policies, you might be a “right wing extremist” (and a red-necked, wife-beating, slack-jawed racist yokel, to boot!).

How’s that for political discourse?
 
scipio337 said:
If you are opposed to President Obama’s abortion policies, you might be a “right wing extremist” (and a red-necked, wife-beating, slack-jawed racist yokel, to boot!).

How’s that for political discourse?
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Scipio,

I had no idea you believe right-wing extremists are all red-necked, wife-beating, slack-jawed racist yokels!

That is not very nice :(.
 
bellasbane said:
Thank you! I always write my own posts, so I take that as a real compliment! 😃
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Interesting to know that you admire the fact that your thinking mirrors the most morally irresponsible political party in American history. 🤷
 
bellasbane said:
Scipio,

I had no idea you believe right-wing extremists are all red-necked, wife-beating, slack-jawed racist yokels!

That is not very nice :(.
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I had no idea that you considered anyone who disagreed with President Obama’s policies (esp on abortion) as a “right wing extremist”.

I can feel the “Hope”!
 
scipio337 said:
I had no idea that you considered anyone who disagreed with President Obama’s policies (esp on abortion) as a “right wing extremist”.

I can feel the “Hope”!
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I guess that makes the Pope a “right wing extremist”. Jesus will surely make Pope Benedict burn in hell for not buying into the liberal globalist agenda lock, stock and barrel.
 
scipio337 said:
I had no idea that you considered anyone who disagreed with President Obama’s policies (esp on abortion) as a “right wing extremist”.

I can feel the “Hope”!
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Don’t forget that you are “they” and “they ‘They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.’”
 
qui_est_ce said:
Don’t forget that you are “they” and “they ‘They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.’”
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Haha…you beat me to it. Great minds think alike. 😛 🙂
 
qui_est_ce said:
Typical liberal wanting to shut down debate??
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Nah. Folks can jaw-jaw all the way to the election, but I’m certain that 99.9 % of voters here have already made up their minds. If one intends to vote Democratic, I see no one about to change his or her mind, and if the GOP is one’s choice, then it is equally unlikely that one will switch to Obama.

BTW, I see no “debate” whatever here. The conservatives present their conservative viewpoint, and the liberals theirs. Set in stone except for negligible details. If nothing else, personal pride prevents a Road to Damascus conversion hereabouts. 🤷
 
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