Election 2012 - Who to vote for?

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Mickey said:
No…it’s death. As a matter of fact…it’s murder.
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No, sir. Are you an American? Perhaps not, for not understanding the meaning of that phrase. The expression “that’s life” is a generalization that means “that is the way is, that is how things go.” It has nothing to do with life or death concretely.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
That isn’t necessarily true. I know a number of Protestants and even Catholics - believers in God, all of them - who are willing to accept abortion, “not for themselves,” but as as a possibility for other women.

Not everyone cares what the Church’s position on abortion is, just because most of us do. 🤷
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Not everyone seems to take Hell seriously.
 
You said: Not everyone cares what the Church’s position on abortion is

I said: That’s tragic.

You said: That’s life.

I said: No…it’s death. As a matter of fact…it is murder.
Rich_Olszewski said:
Are you an American?
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Yes. Are you?
Rich_Olszewski said:
Perhaps not, for not understanding the meaning of that phrase.
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I understand the phrase perfectly. I was using a play on words…since the original reference was to the tragic acceptance of abortion by Catholics who oppose the teaching of their Church.

Get it counsellor?
 
Mickey said:
Yes. Are you?
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Good for you. What difference does my nationality matter?
I understand the phrase perfectly. I was using a play on words…since the original reference was to the tragic acceptance of abortion by Catholics who oppose the teaching of their Church.
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Which original reference? Post no.?
 
CMatt25 said:
Hope this is some help why I don’t consider him evil, abysmal, and despicable
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This just caught my eye because of a conversation that came up at work recently. Essentially, the people I was in disagreement with (a couple of Baptists) believe that acceptance of the new healthcare individual mandate is tantamount to getting the “mark of the beast.” I didn’t press them to get explicit about it, but the implication seemed to be that Obama would be the Antichrist.

A new low of extremism, I’d say…
 
Mickey said:
Who is a liar, but he who denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is Antichrist, who denieth the Father, and the Son.
1 John 2:22
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If so, then anyone who isn’t a Catholic or a trinitarian Protestant is an Anti-Christ. Makes for a lot of people, yet I thought that the AC was a single individual. 🤷
 
eightandsand said:
My statement was not “ridiculous” given Romeny’s record. See post #859 of this thread.

You ask why I have such a “bee in my bonnet about Romney.” Oh, I don’t know, maybe it has something to do with the insignificant fact that in 2005 (AFTER his alleged pro-life “conversion”) he decided that Catholic hospitals would be required to provide rape victims with the Morning After Pill, in violation of their consciences and their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion. A true leader would have defended religiously-affliliated hospitals all the way to the Supreme Court. Maybe the “bee in my bonnet about Romney” has to do with the fact that Romneycare set the precedent for Obamacare, despite all of Romney’s fancy campaign maneuvering and rhetoric to the contrary (which is dutifully regurgitated on this forum as if it is gospel). Mabye the “bee in my bonnet about Romney” has something to do with the fact that he never stood a chance against Obama, yet was conitually propped-up from Day One as if he was the Republican Party’s best chance, much to the satisfaction of Liberal Media and the Democart Party.

Romney supported the TARP Bailout. The “but Romney opposed the GM Bailout” line that you parrot is more Romney campaign rhetoric.

On Foreign Policy, Obama and Romney are both foreign interventionists, in the worst traditions of this country. They only differ as to the scope and duration of the interventions. They both seem to confuse Israeli and Saudi (the Gulf’s worst tyrant) national security with American national security. It is just a matter of which one will bend over farther.
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First I want to say I appreciate your extremely well reasoned and convincing posts regarding abortion and the humanity of the unborn. I’ve always thought this was the key to the issue, getting others to recognize the unborn as a human being, distince, separate and unique. Although the unborn is helpless and dependent upon the mother’s body for continued development and readiness for birth, it doesn’t negate the innate humanity of the child.

That being said, I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on Romney. Your statements regarding his “not having a chance” that Romneycare is the same as Obamacare (Mona Charen has a great editorial on this subject please read it), that he was chosen for us by some mysterious body that apparently took over the brains of tens of thousands of voters who pulled the lever without a gun to their head are just plain wrong. Honestly I read the stuff you write and wonder if we live in the same country. Anyway you are clearly convinced and so am I. Romney was my pick in 08 and he’s been my pick since then. I am neither ignorant nor swayed by white shoe Republicans. I think he is a magnificent candidate and will be an outstanding president.

Lisa
 
Off topic: Is anyone who posts here also on Facebook? Qui est ce and I seem to be the only Forum members who have a page on FB. We’d like to get to know those of you who are on FB a bit better. Please send me or Christine a PM letting us know that you are on FB. And who knows but that the result of that is that someday one of us will show up on your doorstep with knife, fork, spoon, bottle of wine and Italian pastries in hand! 😃

Thanks in advance for any responses.
 
The election of 2012 may be critical in a great many ways, not least in its effect on the issue of religious freedom. Father George Rutler has this to say about the 2012 elections:

“Should the present direction of the federal government be endorsed by a reiterative vote in the November elections, more blatant threats to the Church will begin, culminating in a punitive suspension of tax exemptions on church properties, once the Church’s moral precepts are coded as offenses against civil rights. The test case in this instance will be what is known in Orwellian diction as “same sex marriage.”
And this:

“The national election in November, 2012 will either give Christians one last chance to rally, or it will be the last free election in our nation.”
Strong words, but he foresees, I think correctly, that the Church’s eternal moral principles will soon come to be viewed by the government as civil rights violations!

And secondly that if Catholics (and others) do not now in this election act to preserve religious liberty, this may well be for Catholics and religious people, the last free election in the nation.

Catholics may end up in the same position in the U.S. that they find themselves in, in some majority Islamic nations: Convert to the reigning governmental religion of secularism, or accept second class citizenship and pay a fine for the privilege of remaining Catholic.

Source: crisismagazine.com/2012/the-election-of-2012
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
I thought that the AC was a single individual. 🤷
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Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that Antichrist cometh, even now there are become many Antichrists: whereby we know that it is the last hour.
1 John 2:18
 
The Mormon one seems pro-life and anti-homosexual unioins.

Hopefully he will do the greater good.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Off topic: Is anyone who posts here also on Facebook? Qui est ce and I seem to be the only Forum members who have a page on FB. We’d like to get to know those of you who are on FB a bit better. Please send me or Christine a PM letting us know that you are on FB. And who knows but that the result of that is that someday one of us will show up on your doorstep with knife, fork, spoon, bottle of wine and Italian pastries in hand! 😃

Thanks in advance for any responses.
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Ya, just look me up under my listed name. Send a FR and I’ll be happy to add you.

WARNING. I tend to be a little more verbose about my political leanings on FB than I do here. There are no moderators there…😃
 
eightandsand said:
The question of whether the unborn is “human being” is a scientific question that can be answered using basic Logic. The question of whether or not the unborn should be given legal rights as a “human person” has become a political question that has been answered by those in power.

The unborn are fully human and fully alive and therefore they can be*** nothing other than ***a human person. Human personhood is an unalienable, pre-political right originating in Nature (what the unborn is) rather than Convention. The functional criteria used by the pro-deathers to justify removing the unborn’s unalienable right to life are subjective and arbitrary.

The current culture war over abortion can be traced directly back to the ancient, rival arguments of Epicureanism and Christianity. The same battle that was being fought then is being fought now. People like Richard Dawkins and Peter Singer are the modern heirs of Epicureanism. Once you embrace Atheism then it is only a matter of time before Man replaces God as the one who determines the “value” of life, born and unborn. All you have to do is open the newspaper to find evidence that there is not much value attached to the lives of either the unborn or the born in today’s society.
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you have it spot on
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Off topic: Is anyone who posts here also on Facebook? Qui est ce and I seem to be the only Forum members who have a page on FB. We’d like to get to know those of you who are on FB a bit better. Please send me or Christine a PM letting us know that you are on FB. And who knows but that the result of that is that someday one of us will show up on your doorstep with knife, fork, spoon, bottle of wine and Italian pastries in hand! 😃

Thanks in advance for any responses.
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I am on Facebook but I like to avoid giving out that information to strangers, I personally like to meet someone in person than add them on Facebook. But I use Facebook so infrequently now that I don’t really add many friends any more lol.
 
Mickey said:
I avoid Facebook like the plague. 😃
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for me there is just no more draw to a place like Facebook. I really only use it to make contact with a couple of friends. I update my status like 2 times a week and that is a high estimate.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Ya, just look me up under my listed name. Send a FR and I’ll be happy to add you.

WARNING. I tend to be a little more verbose about my political leanings on FB than I do here. There are no moderators there…😃
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There’s a bunch of Scott LaFrances on FB. Which one are you?
 
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