Election Report Urges Photo IDs, Paper Trails, and Impartial Oversight

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I heard a Democrat politician say that poor people would have a difficult time getting a card since they can’t drive or afford public transportation. It was a farily lame excuse. I don’t remember which politician said it, so I don’t want to attribute it to the wrong one.

In my opinion it should be already the law.
 
Vote early and vote often may become a thing of the past if this is enacted. Maybe that’s what the Dems are afraid of.
 
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geezerbob:
Vote early and vote often may become a thing of the past if this is enacted. Maybe that’s what the Dems are afraid of.
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OK, I didn’t want to go there in my original post, but since you have me the friendly nudge 😃 , I think the main reason the dems don’t want a FREE photo voter ID is because it will help to exclude three of the dems voter constituencies:
  1. dead people
  2. people that vote multiple times
  3. illegal aliens
 
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shockerfan:
I think the main reason the dems don’t want a FREE photo voter ID is because it will help to exclude three of the dems voter constituencies:
  1. dead people
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Election night is the “Night of the Living Dead”. :rotfl:
 
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Fitz:
I heard a Democrat politician say that poor people would have a difficult time getting a card since they can’t drive or afford public transportation. It was a farily lame excuse. I don’t remember which politician said it, so I don’t want to attribute it to the wrong one.
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I don’t think it is that lame. It is very difficult for a poor person to take up to a day off work to go to a card-issuing centre.
In my opinion it should be already the law.
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Having said that, it doesn’t seem a bad idea, although the problems the USA has with voter corruption astounds me. We have very few problems in mainland UK. (Northern Ireland is a different matter, but they have been in almost a civil war there for decades).

I like putting a cross on a piece of paper with a pencil. All this computerising of voting, without a paper trail, seems both unnecessary and introduces doubt into the results.

Mike
 
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geezerbob:
Vote early and vote often may become a thing of the past if this is enacted. Maybe that’s what the Dems are afraid of.
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Yep some large Democratic strongtholds had more votes then population. Maybe the new cards will make it harder for the dead to vote also. If you need a new card and are dead your photo would be interesting to say the least.
 
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MikeWM:
I don’t think it is that lame. It is very difficult for a poor person to take up to a day off work to go to a card-issuing centre.
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Understand. Perhaps open it up on weekends as well and after hours to make accomodations.
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MikeWM:
Having said that, it doesn’t seem a bad idea, although the problems the USA has with voter corruption astounds me.
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Fixing it does not seem to be a high priority for those that benefit
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MikeWM:
I like putting a cross on a piece of paper with a pencil. All this computerising of voting, without a paper trail, seems both unnecessary and introduces doubt into the results.
Mike
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I agree. The electronic machines should have a paper trail, although accusations of a grand scheme by Bush and Diebold (manufacturer of machines and support of Bush) to “steal the election” hold no water.

I have electronic machines where I vote, and it is SOOOOO easy and fast. No hanging chad, no checking the wrong box, no “butterfly ballots” Simply press a button beside the name you want (an LED light illuminates beside the name), and when you are done, hit an “enter” button at the bottom.

Electronic greatly speeds up the counting process, so I’m all for it. But again, I do agree a paper trail would be helpful to eliminate doubt.
 
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MikeWM:
I don’t think it is that lame. It is very difficult for a poor person to take up to a day off work to go to a card-issuing centre.
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The interview I heard, they actually were going to be able to bring the process to someone’s house if need be. I really can’t remember what state was pushing for this. There would be ways to do this easily for people. If it does become required I am sure it will be made very available.
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MikeWM:
Having said that, it doesn’t seem a bad idea, although the problems the USA has with voter corruption astounds me. We have very few problems in mainland UK. (Northern Ireland is a different matter, but they have been in almost a civil war there for decades).
Mike
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Look, I don’t think it happens except in already corrupt areas. Unfortunately most of these areas that I am aware of are Democrat dominated cities like Chicago, and New Orleans- places that need to stay Democrat. In Chicago, there is hardly a Republican candidate for Mayor in any of the races. It is sort of a joke. They have dead people vote in some of the smaller races, to make sure the favored person wins. I have never understood it. Power and money. If they wanted to make sure of votes that could have done it by now.
 
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shockerfan:
I agree. The electronic machines should have a paper trail, although accusations of a grand scheme by Bush and Diebold (manufacturer of machines and support of Bush) to “steal the election” hold no water.
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No, I don’t think much of such allegations either. A paper trail would be preferable though. Actually I prefer a piece of paper and a pencil. It is far too easy to mess up writing a computer program even if no malice is involved :o
Electronic greatly speeds up the counting process, so I’m all for it. But again, I do agree a paper trail would be helpful to eliminate doubt.
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Does it speed it up all that much? Most of Britain’s constituencies manage to count the votes within 5 or 6 hours of the polls closing. I appreciate that American geography is rather more widespread, and also that you vote for a lot more things than us, but I do wonder if it is really that much of an advantage.

Mike
 
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Fitz:
The interview I heard, they actually were going to be able to bring the process to someone’s house if need be. I really can’t remember what state was pushing for this. There would be ways to do this easily for people. If it does become required I am sure it will be made very available.
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Hmm, perhaps. Going to the Department of Licencing never seemed all that convenient 🙂
Look, I don’t think it happens except in already corrupt areas. Unfortunately most of these areas that I am aware of are Democrat dominated cities like Chicago, and New Orleans- places that need to stay Democrat. In Chicago, there is hardly a Republican candidate for Mayor in any of the races. It is sort of a joke. They have dead people vote in some of the smaller races, to make sure the favored person wins. I have never understood it. Power and money. If they wanted to make sure of votes that could have done it by now.
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shrugs I don’t pretend to know much about it at all, frankly.

Mike
 
Mike MW
I think that you should conentrate more effort on reforming your country and less time complaining about mine. We in the United States do that fine already. We don’t need to hear from the crown. We threw the British out over 200 yrs ago. When we want you to rule us we will let you know.
Here’s another way you support the Socialist Party of the United States. That is because you live in a nanny state already. We don’t and if I have anything to do with we will never become like the dying Europe.
 
As much as I wish it weren’t true, there is corruption in some of our elections. I don’t think any country is perfect and I love my country. Yet these ID’S would improve things in the corruption department.
 
Fitz
It is Georgia that has proposed this new policies. It is the Democrats and the Black Leadership that oppose it.
I live in the Cleveland area where we had Snow White and the seven drawfs voting in the last presidential election. Of course they were for John Kerry. We aslo had the NAACP giving crack cocaine to people to register Democrats to vote. This is only some of the examples of fraud in just the last election. Of course the City of Cleveland is also a Democrat stronghold. It is also the poorest city in the nation.
 
This is already the law in Jimmy Carter’s home state of Georgia. Some are unhappy about this.

news.yahoo.com/s/ucas/20050919/cm_ucas/photoidslocksomecitizensoutofvoting;_ylt=A86.I0g7XC9DIs4AFgn9wxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

In a TV interview, and official defending the pratice said it wouldn’t be a problem because there is a mobile ID center (bus) which will travel the state to issue IDs. So far there is just one.

My state has started requiring proof of ID in order to vote, but it doesn’t have to be a photo ID. They accept pieces of mail with a name on it, e.g. utility bills, etc.
 
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Mike MW
I think that you should conentrate more effort on reforming your country and less time complaining about mine. We in the United States do that fine already. We don’t need to hear from the crown. We threw the British out over 200 yrs ago. When we want you to rule us we will let you know.
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Hmm. This is a Catholic forum, after all. I find it very interesting to find out what people in the US (particularly US Catholics) think about things, and sometimes we talk about UK things and people from the US make comments.

So I think I’ll carry on learning and commenting, thanks. I don’t need a history lesson either.
Here’s another way you support the Socialist Party of the United States. That is because you live in a nanny state already. We don’t and if I have anything to do with we will never become like the dying Europe.
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‘Nanny state’ - would that be like not having to show your insurance card to get medical care (if you have one)? Well then, yes, I like the ‘nanny state’ thanks, and long may it continue.

If I want to support Marxists, socialists, neo-cons, liberals or fascists that is my right. (well, perhaps not fascists).

As for Europe dying - well, not quite. Thanks for your concern anyway.

Mike
 
Here in Arkansas, the local pols were out in the cemetaries registering voters. One of them peered at a tombstone and turned away. His Precinct Captain asked, “Did you get that man’s name?”

“I couldn’t – the inscription is to weathered to read.”

“You get his name! He has just as much right to vote as anyone else in this cemetary!”
 
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